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So what does Rome do you ask? Well the Pope Innocent III called a formal Crusade against the Cathars of the Languedoc, appointing a series of military leaders to head his Holy Army. The first was a Cistercian abbot (Arnaud Amaury) now best remembered for his command at Béziers "Kill them all. God will know his own".In 1208 the war began as it were its estimated before it ends over 500,000 people would be killed Languedoc men women and children were massacred both Catholics as well as Cathars. The Counts of Toulouse and their allies were dispossessed and humiliated, and their lands annexed to France. Dominic Guzmán (later Saint Dominic) founded the Dominican Order and soon afterwards the Inquisition, manned by his Dominicans, was established explicitly to wipe out the last vestiges of resistance. Id venture to say however this isnt true and there are still some very powerful people still battling the church from a war started centuries ago.I personally believe this is the current issue we see of christians being attacked. People were trying to destroy the Roman catholic church and using media but this lead to attack of all christians which wouldnt be there intent at all.
originally posted by: mOjOm
Ahh, now I see what you're getting at. Why didn't you just point that out instead of all the leading me along BS???
You're right I guess that is my bad. I should have specified Catholic and the Crusades. That's my fault but it's only because I'm always being told Catholics are Christians. I'm neither so I'm not going to try and figure out who's right in that case. I know they aren't exactly the same but neither are the many various Christian sects either but they're all still called Christian although they don't all agree.
But all that aside, getting the exact terminology used wasn't the point was it??? I'm sorry for my technical error and choice of words but the point behind them I believe was still clearly evident. But thanks for correcting my vocabulary, that is always such a pleasure when someone points that out.
Now that that's clear, did you get what I was trying to point out with my clumsy primitive use of our language???
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
I think you switched songs to the one about grandma with the incriminating claus marks on her back...ahem...
Ok pal, now you crossed the line. That was offensive and I'm not going to stand for that kind of talk!! How dare you blaspheme the great and powerful Claus like that!!!
originally posted by: Vroomfondel
Not sure, but I think Granny was the aggressor in that event...
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
The point that much evil has been done in the name of Christianity is a valid one. I also find the point that Christianity has moved on from that, and Islam has not, and there is probably a reason for that, is also valid.
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Waterboarding is wrong. Which is why we use snow.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
The point that much evil has been done in the name of Christianity is a valid one. I also find the point that Christianity has moved on from that, and Islam has not, and there is probably a reason for that, is also valid.
Ummmm, that still isn't exactly the point I was trying to make. But it's closer that before so I'll just leave it as is for now and hope for the best.
It's still a positive result whenever some common ground can be agreed upon.
originally posted by: mOjOm
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
Waterboarding is wrong. Which is why we use snow.
Lol. Takes a little longer that way too!!!
I'll think twice if you ever invite me to go snowboarding now!!
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Willtell
are you saying the quran doesnt say to kill infidels? muslims that choose not to follow that path of extremism is good.
Leviticus 18:22
You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.
Leviticus 20:13
"'If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.
originally posted by: boncho
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Willtell
are you saying the quran doesnt say to kill infidels? muslims that choose not to follow that path of extremism is good.
This is highly contentious, here, "are you saying the Bible doesnt tell us to stone people to death and kill gay people?"
The same BS argument can be applied over a few religions...
originally posted by: OccamsRazor04
originally posted by: boncho
originally posted by: vjr1113
a reply to: Willtell
are you saying the quran doesnt say to kill infidels? muslims that choose not to follow that path of extremism is good.
This is highly contentious, here, "are you saying the Bible doesnt tell us to stone people to death and kill gay people?"
The same BS argument can be applied over a few religions...
It doesn't. Certainly not unless you are a Jew. I will be happy to supply passages if you care.
And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him. Leviticus 24:16
If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24
If there be found among you ... that ... hath gone and served other gods, and worshipped them ... Then shalt thou ... tone them with stones, till they die. Deuteronomy 17:2-5
If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers ... thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die. Deuteronomy 13:5-10
skepticsannotatedbible.com...
originally posted by: boncho
I thought the Jewish faith regards the Torah for their holy scripture?
Act 15:7
After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe.
Act 15:8
God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us.
Act 15:9
He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith.
Act 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?
Act 15:11
No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
originally posted by: Shiloh7
This is interesting but suicide bombers are really gorilla warfare, which our ordered armies etc can't protect against so effectively without spying on each and every one of us.
originally posted by: Swills
www.alternet.org...
Despite the existence of a good deal of research about terrorism, there’s a gap between the common understanding of what leads terrorists to kill and what many experts believe to be true.
Terrorist groups like ISIS and Al Qaeda are widely seen as being motivated by their radical theology. But according to Robert Pape, a political scientist at the University of Chicago and founder of the Chicago Project on Security and Terrorism, this view is too simplistic. Pape knows his subject; he and his colleagues have studied every suicide attack in the world since 1980, evaluating over 4,600 in all.
He says that religious fervor is not a motive unto itself. Rather, it serves as a tool for recruitment and a potent means of getting people to overcome their fear of death and natural aversion to killing innocents. “Very often, suicide attackers realize they have instincts for self-preservation that they have to overcome,” and religious beliefs are often part of that process, said Pape in an appearance on my radio show, Politics and Reality Radio, last week. But, Pape adds, there have been “many hundreds of secular suicide attackers,” which suggests that radical theology alone doesn’t explain terrorist attacks. From 1980 until about 2003, the “world leader” in suicide attacks was the Tamil Tigers, a secular Marxist group of Hindu nationalists in Sri Lanka.
I hope everyone who has read this far continues onto the link and finishes the article because it's fascinating and eye opening. In today's media fear is being driven about Muslims, Sharia Law, the dreaded Caliphate and it's believed terrorists are what they are because of Islam. We've seen thread after thread, post after post demonizing Islam and the root cause of this ignorance is because of terrorism. We have people like Trump saying we need to ban all Muslims from the USA because of terrorist attacks and that's because it's commonly believed if you're a Muslim you're probably a terrorist.
Turns out, terrorism isn't based off of religion but political motives. Religion is a great tool to used for recruitment and quelling the minds of suicide bombers to kill themselves but military occupation is usually the driving force behind these attacks.
The Old Testament provides the history of a people; the New Testament focus is on a Person. The Old Testament shows the wrath of God against sin (with glimpses of His grace); the New Testament shows the grace of God toward sinners (with glimpses of His wrath).
"GOD HATES FAGS" -- though elliptical -- is a profound theological statement, which the world needs to hear more than it needs oxygen, water and bread. The three words, fully expounded, show:
1. the absolute sovereignty of "GOD" in all matters whatsoever (e.g., Jeremiah 32:17, Isaiah 45:7, Amos 3:6, Proverbs 16:4, Matthew 19:26, Romans 9:11-24, Romans 11:33-36, etc.),
2. the doctrine of reprobation or God's "HATE" involving eternal retribution or the everlasting punishment of most of mankind in Hell forever (e.g., Leviticus 20:13,23, Psalm 5:5, Psalm 11:5, Malachi 1:1-3, Romans 9:11-13, Matthew 7:13,23, John 12:39-40, 1 Peter 2:8, Jude 4, Revelation 13:8, 20:15, 21:27, etc.), and
3. the certainty that all impenitent sodomites (under the elegant metaphor of "FAGS" as the contraction of faggots, fueling the fires of God's wrath) will inevitably go to Hell (e.g., Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, 1 Timothy 1:8-11, Jude 7, etc.).