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What Might A Worldwide Calpihate Look Like?

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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: Kapusta

Sorry it may be open but we are asked to respect each other in the T&C. I have asked you respectfully to respect my wishes and not post on any of my threads. If you were a person of integrity and moral compass you would respect my request.


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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 12:24 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Kapusta

Sorry it may be open but we are asked to respect each other. You are not respecting me so please move along.


Respect?, PLEASE tell me how I have disrespected you?

I simply corrected the falsehoods you have been spreading about Islam. And in stead of answering to my posts with an intelligent rebuttle you tell me to stop posting in the thread ?

You also knowing I am Muslim try and use snide remarks to insult me .

You want respect? . you have to give respect to get it.

Again I will not move along on this thread . Again I have every right to post here just as you do.

Do you honestly think I should sit back and watch you post lie after lie ? Many members have called you out on your Trash you post including SkepticOverlord.

I have asked you kindly to stop posting falsehood about Islam. Did you respect that?

How dare you even ask for respect from me.


BACK ON TOPTIC!!!

What is sunnie law ?
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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Kapusta

Sorry it may be open but we are asked to respect each other in the T&C. I have asked you respectfully to respect my wishes and not post on any of my threads. If you were a person of integrity and moral compass you would respect my request.



What is the reason you don't want me posting on this thread ?



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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Look Cabbage, I gave a link follow it and enjoy.

I am not going to play your childish game.

Insults go both directions, If you had been respectful from the get go, maybe I would not have returned like unto you.

Many do not think that is all trash and that is part of denying ignorance.

As far as the lies about Islam. In your opinion they are but in the opinion of other Muslims it is the truth.

So move along Kapusta
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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 12:33 PM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
Look Cabbage, I gave a link follow it and enjoy.

I am not going to play your childish game.

Insults go both directions, If you had been respectful from the get go, maybe I would not have returned like unto you.

Many do not think that is all trash and that is part of denying ignorance.

As far as the lies about Islam. In your opinion they are but in the opinion of other Muslims it is the truth.

So move along Kapusta



Great , that's great chester .

Now why don't you want me posting on your thread ?

And are you going to get back on Topic and answer my questions ?



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: Kapusta

Kapusta means cabbage. MY grandmother made Kapusta many times and I ate it once a month as a child. Kapusta is actually fermented Cabbage that is braised with pork or steak.

anyway, If you would come off the defensive and remember your particular sect of Sunni in, I think you said London, represents a very small percentage of Sunni around the world, and even less of Muslims at large.

So all I have done is present observations and ask questions and present a scenario of a worldwide Caliphate which being a form of Government not a rule over Muslims by a Caliph. that is desired by more Muslims than you would like to admit.

Yes there are those who would not want it but it is being touted by many of Islam around the world.

Sunni is Muslim Sharia Law, that is the meaning of Sunni in the context of Islamic law. Sunni is also a group of followers dedicated to the traditions of Mohammad, which in and of his personal practices many will attack i.e. murder of those who opposed him in any way, calling on Jihad on those that opposed Islam, child brides and the practice of sex with those under 16 years of age, I am not saying he is a pedophile as it does not fit him as he did not fixate on children for sex. It was his tradition to rob, steal and plunder others, it was his tradition to lie to others. I really wouldn't want to label myself a Sunni if I don't agree with those traditional practices of Mohammad.

As far as Arabic learning it is not necessary today as noted in earlier post. Arabic Scholars are teaching all over Internet and in Universities around the world and issuing degrees in Islamic Sharia Law. And there are many good English translations of the Quran.

But why if it will not be used for anything other than dealing with other Muslims?

Having a Harvard degree in Shaira Law does not make any sense unless the govt will adopt it as part of the national laws.

Lastly , another reason you would not want to be a Sunni is that ISIS is of the Sunni sect of Islam. Their influence around the world is immense, while ISIS itself is new as a group name it has been the Sunni desire of an Islamic State not just a small isolated middle Eastern mind you but a grandeur worldwide Islamic State. While moderates say they don't want it they have no proven that is true. As stated if the 82 Muslim nations involved in fighting ISIS were really against it they would have defeated them already. I believe it to be a ruse/lie to cover their real support for a worldwide Caliphate.

However there is something larger than just Sunni or Muslims or Islam at large as TPTB are orchestrating all of this to take control and to control it via a Sharia police force is their best bet at keeping control. This is the one who built ISIS, many claim "oh it is the US, The CIA...etc", but in reality the kingdom of Saudi Arabia has more power in that region than the US. the Elite of this world are all followers of the Masonic teachings which have incorporated Forms of Sharia and Islamic symbolism into their practices and traditions, with their of ultimate desire of world power.

In conclusion I am not wrong there are those who want a worldwide Caliphate, they know that many Muslims could really care less it is or isn't and many more support it than you would like to admit, the strict Islamic Police will kill off any and all who oppose their agenda.


Add all of it up and the next OWO will be Islamic Caliphate.




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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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Sharia law is about 1500 years old. There are many islamic countries which still are using sharia as they used it when it was "invented".. like literally as it is written, the reason to this is nothing what Quran says is allowed to be questioned because it comes word by word from Allah through Mohammed.

Still if Quran is a word of Allah what is hadith ? Mohammad has said many times that there are two things good muslims has to follow, one is Quran ( World of Allah) and other is hadith (Mohammad´s teachings ) so the other one is divine and the other is a intpretation of a earthling who thinks he knows exactly what Allah wants. And we do know what kind of life Mohammad lived.. so it beats me to think that if the other one is divine what kind of person believes he knows exactly what Allah wants...

1500 years old law still working interpretation in some parts of the World.. shouldn´t it say something and should we take a close look how this law has been implented in these countries. Sharia law is divine but application is human so tell me one islamic country where it works as it should be working ? Just one !

When we find this one country which has been using Sharia law and it has been fair, ethical, justice, has equality, works for common good ? Where is it ?

Maybe i am wrong but what i see it is utopia.. 1500 years and it is still not working... utopia.




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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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Actually Sharia cannot be any older than 1,415 years. Seeing Islam was not started until 600AD. 85 years is over a generation (70yrs) removed so would be a big difference in history.

One of his Hadiths teaches that if you are in Mecca and have a bad stomach Drink a mixture of camels milk and your urine. I will try and find which particular part of the Hadith it was.




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posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn

For every reason you mentioned, that's the reason I hate it.



posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: ChesterJohn


Here is a map for reference:




posted on Dec, 14 2015 @ 11:49 PM
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Hi Muslim here .


Here we go again....

Chester when is it going to stop?

Why are you so hell bent on spreading falsehood about Islam?

You quote suras from the Quran and without any knowlege of what you are quoting ...

It really does nothing to support your Islamic doom porn.

The sura in question that you quoted out of context .


Please Stop feeding members on ATS this Crap!


A Muslim caliphate will never be established again. Why do you think saudi has not established one ?

Their are many reasons why it won't and can't be .

Stop it already ...



So I want every reader of this thread to analyze this whole response and the others responses to the original Post as well as some of my other posts in this thread with the 3 D's. As we do you will see that it is possible this person is a disinformationist, Educated for nothing more than than the purpose of disseminating disinformation.

I have learned this technique in analyzing responses from the MSM or Govt sources to see if they are telling the truth on any given subject they are speaking on or if they are disseminating disinformation about any given subject.

This is a good training post for anyone wish to learn the 3 D technique of telling if someone is a dissinformationist or really speaking truth.

The 3 D's are:

Dismiss
Debunk
and Demean

I don't even have to highlight them in this response you can clearly see all three are in this reply to my OP and in other of this persons replies as well.

I have learned if you apply the three D's to the responses to information you are trying to get out to the people if anyones reply contains these 3 D's it is a good chance they are responding to disseminate disinformation.


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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 02:33 AM
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Why would TPTB want the full implementation of a global homogenous system that has a doctrine of self defence at its core instead of just pitting useful idiots against each other to pick each other off and cull the stragglers?

It seems like a lot of effort to get there only to have to go through all of the effort again, but against people that are now more well trained and galvanised.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 03:36 AM
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I never said NO Muslim wants to live under it. I said the ONES I KNOW don't. And from what I read and see many don't. SO the clash is between the ones that do and the ones that don't.

Why do people teach it? Because their are people that want to learn about it. Do they all wish to live under it? Different question. I read and learn about it, but would never want to live under it. I have also studied the Bhagavad-gita, doesn't mean I'm gonna be a Hare Krishna. Also doesn't mean I have an objection to another country living under it, if they choose. So If someone in the US wanted to interact with someone in a country that ran under that law, would it be a good idea if they had a legal expert to advised them on that law system? They also teach Japanese and Chinese law at many of these schools. Why? Because in order to work with these countries you need to know the laws there. Are these two countries trying to take over the US system? Nope.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:03 AM
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group of followers dedicated to the traditions of Mohammad, which in and of his personal practices many will attack i.e. murder of those who opposed him in any way, calling on Jihad on those that opposed Islam, child brides and the practice of sex with those under 16 years of age, I am not saying he is a pedophile as it does not fit him as he did not fixate on children for sex. It was his tradition to rob, steal and plunder others, it was his tradition to lie to others. I really wouldn't want to label myself a Sunni if I don't agree with those traditional practices of Mohammad. 


Again you are making falsehood. Please provide evedience for this.




As far as Arabic learning it is not necessary today as noted in earlier post. Arabic Scholars are teaching all over Internet and in Universities around the world and issuing degrees in Islamic Sharia Law. And there are many good English translations of the Quran. 


Again another falsehood. Please provide evedience for this. I am a student in fiqh , And some of the major books are not published in English. The language Is a must , Allot of arabic words can't be translated in to English.


However there is something larger than just Sunni or Muslims or Islam at large as TPTB are orchestrating all of this to take control and to control it via a Sharia police force is their best bet at keeping control. This is the one who built ISIS, many claim "oh it is the US, The CIA...etc", but in reality the kingdom of Saudi Arabia has more power in that region than the US. the Elite of this world are all followers of the Masonic teachings which have incorporated Forms of Sharia and Islamic symbolism into their practices and traditions, with their of ultimate desire of world power.


CIA , masons , KSA , huh ... How can anyone take you seriously when you post this hogwash.


Provide evedience for this as well


the strict Islamic Police will kill off any and all who oppose their agenda. 


Who is the "strict Islamic police " ?

Provide proof of this as well.

I will just assume you won't reply to my questions. That seems to be your pattern. When i post evedience contrary to your statment thus proving you wrong you resort to personal attacks.

Everything in your thread is pure BS speculation backed by religious falsehood.







posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 04:19 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn



Hi Muslim here .


Here we go again....

Chester when is it going to stop?

Why are you so hell bent on spreading falsehood about Islam?

You quote suras from the Quran and without any knowlege of what you are quoting ...

It really does nothing to support your Islamic doom porn.

The sura in question that you quoted out of context .


Please Stop feeding members on ATS this Crap!


A Muslim caliphate will never be established again. Why do you think saudi has not established one ?

Their are many reasons why it won't and can't be .

Stop it already ...



So I want every reader of this thread to analyze this whole response and the others responses to the original Post as well as some of my other posts in this thread with the 3 D's. As we do you will see that it is possible this person is a disinformationist, Educated for nothing more than than the purpose of disseminating disinformation.

I have learned this technique in analyzing responses from the MSM or Govt sources to see if they are telling the truth on any given subject they are speaking on or if they are disseminating disinformation about any given subject.

This is a good training post for anyone wish to learn the 3 D technique of telling if someone is a dissinformationist or really speaking truth.

The 3 D's are:

Dismiss
Debunk
and Demean

I don't even have to highlight them in this response you can clearly see all three are in this reply to my OP and in other of this persons replies as well.

I have learned if you apply the three D's to the responses to information you are trying to get out to the people if anyones reply contains these 3 D's it is a good chance they are responding to disseminate disinformation.




Lol this made my night...

I provided you with evidence of the True underatanding of the vers posted in your OP.
And instead of trying to refute it ( you can't really because what i posted is the correct understanding of the sura ) you call me a dissinformationlist? .

Maybe I did come off a bit harsh . Because I am sick and tired of having to follow behind you and other members fixing the critical errors you constantly make about Islam.



I have been lurking ATS for many many years . before I was even Muslim i was visiting ATS. My profile is open to all members. To investigate I am also open to any questions members might have for me regarding Islam.

Many members and staff know me .

If you call disproving your delusions about Islam wrong and refuting your nonsense Islamaphobia threads , disinformation....

Then you don't understand how ATS works or the foundation it was created upon.

It's clear to me now that . I am just wasting my time. No matter how much evedience I porvide to counter your wacky claims , their won't be any agreement between us.

But rest asaure I won't stop .

Anything else you would like to add chester buddy?
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 10:39 AM
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3 D's People

Just look at the last two post replies and the 3 D's are self evident.

First Paragraph first line is the Dismissal

Second to fourth paragraph (even if you count one sentences as paragraphs) are the Debunking

And all after that and throughout the whole response is the Demeaning

This is clearly an Agent of Disinformation

Why would disinformation be important on the subject at hand?

Because there is truth to what was presented in the OP. We all have discussed a One Word Order But the scenario that it could be a type of Caliphate as described in the Opening Post is one that we tend not to want to look at.

In other responses this person want you to think he represents ALL so called Moderate Muslims and it is clear he does not. As a matter of fact he claimed in an earlier post he is Sunni, yet he does not represent ALL Sunni. ISIS is Sunni, so what does that tell us about these replies as well.

Having said that I would love to get back tot he subject of What Might a Worldwide Caliphate Look Like?


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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:10 AM
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originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: Kapusta

3 D's People

Just look at the last two post replies and the 3 D's are self evident.

First Paragraph fist line is the Dismissal

Second to fourth paragraph (even if you count one sentences as paragraphs) are the Debunking

And all after that and throughout the whole response is the Demeaning

This is clearly an Agent of Disinformation

Why would disinformation be important on the subject at hand?

Because there is truth to what is going on. We all have discussed a One Word Order But the scenario that it could be a type of Caliphate as described in the Opening Post is one that we tend not to want to look at.




Chester ..

You honestly believe their is an agenda for a caliphate?

I have told you time and time again. Addcording to Fiqh one CAN'T be established given the current state of things .

And most likely won't be. Why do you think saudi arabia hasn't established one yet ?

Also if it were to be estabished it would only apply to countries who are currently Muslim majority and living under Shriah.

Another Condition is that All "Islamic" country's have to agree upon a single caliph. You think Iran will agree ? You think Chechnya will agree ? Somalia? Morroco? Etc . etc.

I hardly doubt it . the list goes one .

So many reasons why their will be no caliphate.

Why don't you try studying that aspect of it . would you like material on it? I can provide it .

But as predicated before you won't provide any evedience to support your claims. Or rebuttle mine you fall back on trying to paint me as a disinformationlist and bring insults .
That's your pattern and tatic. Lame...

Now I'll ask you again. Please provide evedience to my previous Questions.

Thanks!
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:36 AM
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Interesting you say that Fiqh (is the interpretation of the Quran) according to your interpretation. The Sunni or Muslim Sharia Law as literally INTERPRETED by ISIS is that of a one world Caliphate.

So which Fiqh are we to trust?

Yours which represents less than 0.01% of Muslims worldwide

While 15 million or 1.00%(equal to the population of Manhattan Island, NY) support ISIS worldwide Islamic State vision.

I have laid out what a worldwide Caliphate would look like without a central Caliph in Charge Read the OP again.

The 3 D's are once again evident.

For percentages of Muslims and what they support you may go here Muslm Polling Data. But of course being a disinformationist you will use the 3 D's again.



posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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Interesting you say that Fiqh (is the interpretation of the Quran) according to your interpretation. The Sunni or Muslim Sharia Law as literally INTERPRETED by ISIS is that of a one world Caliphate. 

So which Fiqh are we to trust? 

Yours which represents less than 0.01% of Muslims worldwide 


What ? Seriously what?
From your source ...



Have you heard that Islam is a peaceful religion because most Muslims live peacefully and only a "tiny minority of extremists" practice violence?  That's like saying that White supremacy must be perfectly fine since only a tiny minority of racists hurt anyone.  Neither does it explain why religious violence is largely endemic to Islam, despite the tremendous persecution of religious minorities in Muslim countries.

In truth, even a tiny minority of "1%" of Muslims worldwide translates to 15 million believers - which is hardly an insignificant number.  However, the "minority" of Muslims who approve of terrorists, their goals, or their means of achieving them is much greater than this.  In fact, it isn't even a true minority in some cases, depending on how goals and targets are defined.

The following polls convey what Muslims say are their attitudes toward terrorism, al-Qaeda, Osama bin Laden, the 9/11 attacks, violence in defense of Islam, Sharia, honor killings, and matters concerning assimilation in Western society.  The results are all the more astonishing because most of the polls were conducted by organizations with an obvious interest in "discovering" agreeable statistics that downplay any cause for concern.

(These have been compiled over the years, so not all link



Are you seriously trying to pass this off as some sort of crediable poll source ?

What a joke .. Everything you have posted is a joke .
So this is where you are getting your information
www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Wow chester...

That website like answering Islam .org has been refuted So many times and is known for twisting information as well as fabricating scripture and data about Islam.

*slow clap*...

Next.
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posted on Dec, 15 2015 @ 11:48 AM
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The polls are not manipulated in anyway by the people who run the site. They were just centrally compiled there for ease of access and verifiability. Every source is listed and anyone can go to the respective media polling site for themselves as well.

see again the 3 D's are present.

You are well trained. Is this a Muslim thing or did a government agency train you?

You're good.


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