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Story of the First Prescription drug Ad on TV- it was banned, I think they all should be.

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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 06:24 PM

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: reldra
Whenever I see one of those ads where they show people out hiking and otherwise being active and then listing diarrhea as one of the side effects, I think the people in the ads must be wearing these:


posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 06:26 PM

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: reldra
I used to clean doctor's offices. You could always tell when the drug reps came in. There was always catering and Starbucks (bribes) and also a ton of goodies (bribes) ranging from clocks to radios, flashlights, pens, stationary, and a slew of other things. It was nuts.

But the effort to have drug ads banned alongside tobacco ads will face plenty of obstacles, none bigger than the First Amendment. Perhaps the most unusual thing about this decades-long saga is that it’s an issue at all.

I got a chuckle out of this. Yeah, hiding behind the First Amendment. By that logic, they should bring back tobacco ads.

"But corporations are people too!"

What amazes me, is how cannabis is considered "the gateway drug."

Well - keeping it illegal, actually makes it a gateway drug. Think about this.

In states where it is available to purchase in shops, it eliminates the need for a "black market," which will ultimately encompass other, "harder," drugs. This isn't certainly an all-encompassing truth, but I find it reasonable. Keeping cannabis illegal ensures it remains part of an "illegal market," where other "harder" (and in my opinion, rightfully outlawed) drugs are solicited and sought after.

Anyway, back to the point - it's amazing how flaunted these pills are to us, as well as alcohol. That's the one no one really complains about... the barrage of half-naked women, sports stars, celebrities, all glamorizing alcohol, which is a very, VERY destructive drug (and a very easy one to access). But hey... that's people "right," yeah?

People whine and complain, "The moral fabric of Murica is deteriorating!," and often cite the "mis-use and abuse," of substances such as cannabis and how "we shouldn't just legalize it, our country already has enough drug problems," in which anyone has done any sort of academic writing on the sort (War on Drugs, implications/results of drug decriminalization in other countries), one could (imo) make a reasonable conclusion that treating drug addicts as criminals actually emboldens the cycle of drug abuse, rather than an individual with any number of mental illnesses.

However, here in Murica, the business of drugs is massively profitable - from exporting/importing them, big-pharma, prison-industry, and let's not forget the all-out war on "drugs," subtlety a war on our civil rights by the State.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 06:35 PM
a reply to: RomeByFire
That reminds me of a pic I saw earlier today.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 06:38 PM

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: RomeByFire
That reminds me of a pic I saw earlier today.

That is funny and not funny. They are not, generally refilling drugs like oxycontin, even for people in chronic pain and then those people, in desperation, buy heroin on the street which is a lot cheaper than even 1 oxycontin pill.

I do get the part about weed being called a gateway drug, which is ridiculous and much safer than most prescriptions.
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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 06:49 PM
a reply to: reldra
Yeah, I've heard of people getting hooked on pills that way. Then when they can't get refills they go after heroin. It's horrible. As for weed being a gateway drug, I never wanted to try anything else when I used it. Oh, I tried harder stuff but not when I was on cannabis. Really, if it was legal for medical use where I am I'd be on cannabis. It's the only thing that works with the pain I'm in and I really don't want to get hooked on pills.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 07:07 PM
This happened to me with Vioxx. My docs knew that this side effect existed and did it anyway.

I had asked them for something like Tylenol #3 and he didn't want to give me any 'real' pain killer. (that's tylenol w/codeine)

He also gave me another medication which, I found out later had an actual class action suit already started because of it's devastating side effects (Ultram, or Tramadol). People in this suit said that this stuff was the most addictive medication they had ever encountered. It didn't affect me that way, fortunately, but it also didn't help much.

He never mentioned any of this and he was a pretty good doctor.

When I took the Vioxx I felt, after a couple days a feeling of 'dread' as though something bad was going to happen to me. But I never considered it would be due to an NSAID, particularly since things like Aleve were now available OTC.

As an afterthought I called into the office and mentioned just as I was about to hang up that I was feeling like something bad was going to happen to me and they immediately became alarmed and said 'stop taking that pain killer we gave you'. It was only later I found out that Vioxx was a known bad drug and has since been withdrawn from the market.

Docs and Big Pharm should be ashamed of themselves. But that isn't going to happen.
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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 07:15 PM
a reply to: reldra

To them, it's all about the Benjamins baby. Most of my family and me work in the medical field, lots of corruption. I used to work for a medical research company entering the data in regards to the patient outcomes after being guinea pigs for a new pharmaceutical drug.
Page 1 was patient info
page 2 patient review
Page 3 patients symptoms
Page 4 patient side effects
Page 5 patients outcome
Many times patients had adverse side effects and died. Just like you see on the side effects listed on comercials. Sometimes they're skin color would change, vomiting, I would feel bad for some of these people I never met. The company would receive bomb threats and threats from animal rights activist.
I remember the FDA approved one of their drugs and they had a big company celebration where they catered to us giving us gold one dollar coins, champagne, caviar, and a band to celebrate.
It seems as most of the western medicine system is to keep you coming back, dependant on drugs and filling their pockets with money.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 07:44 PM
a reply to: Maverick7
tramadol is bad # man,highly addictive and the effects on withdrawl are horrendous. Brain shocks for months after not taking them was the worst for me.
I started self medicating for spinal problems many years ago with morphine,just orally,then when I developed a tolerance,I started cooking it and injecting it...then moved to homebake herion,then eventually got onto the methadone programe......and you know what the hardest drug to ditch was? tramadol. So as of 7yrs drug free,in alot of pain,but hey.....its either pain or death,the choice is a no brainer.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 07:45 PM
a reply to: Skid Mark

Even beyond all the eggshell rhetoric towards cannabis, it is simple: it's a personal choice.

As is consuming alcohol, as is cigarettes, as is being prescribed prescription narcotics. The three mentioned are (or were) at one point heavily advertised, and I go as far to say as glamorized. Ooh-look! A pretty girl, who is wearing a bikini, drinking a beer/eating a sandwich! What relevance does that have to the product - I have no idea, yet it is commonly used as a selling point.

Could you IMAGINE the outrage if an advertisement was aired during the Super-Bowl showing a model from Maxim smoking a blunt on a beach in a minuscule bikini?

How about the NFL being endorsed by a company that produces cannabis, as is the case with alcohol, is it not?

Alcohol attributes to a plethora of mental illnesses, and has been correlated with aggression/violent crimes, as well as addiction, underage drinking, drunk driving, poisoning of vital organs, "alcoholism," and the list could continue.

My point being here, there are but a number of examples of the dangers and epidemics of prescription narcotic overdoses (killed more than heroin and coc aine combined in 2015), and abuse, and I've briefly mentioned alcohol.

Cigarettes? 3,000+ chemicals and a number of carcinogenic chemicals? We all know the long-term effects of using cigarettes.

Here comes the kicker... if you want to drink alcohol, take prescription narcotics, smoke cigarettes, vape ("e-cig"), or even smoke cannabis; that's your freedom to do so. Who am I to tell you otherwise?

BUT with the epidemic of addictions, overdoses, and abuses of these "legal," drugs, why is cannabis still remain that one drug that has a stigma attached to it? Even here on ATS, threads are closed for discussing it, yet we can make an emoticon for a beer icon.

To be completely honest, the only argument used against cannabis is that it is demotivating. However, do you know what else is demotivating? Eighty-five people have more wealth than 3.3 billion people on Earth. The top 1% in America own more than half of all wealth. The fact that we live in an oligarchy/plutocracy, in which we are governed by the Federal Reserve - a private banking cartel that loans out money to the U.S. Government, with interest, that results in unplayable debt and therefore inescapable debt ($18 trillion and growing). The fact that the dollar has lost over 90% of its value, and that wages are at an all-time low in many areas/jobs. The reality of life is demotivating, but hey - I'm just regurgitating what people a lot smarter than myself have been saying for a long time.

I will never understand how people can not just let it boil down to, "it's a fwedumb thing." After all, Americans love their fwedumbs. Alcohol, cigarettes, and prescription pills (separately) are more deadly than cannabis.

Yet which one(s) do you see on the side of NASCAR cars, and plastered all over the television? Does any other drug - other than prescription narcotics - have side effects that range from death, shortness of breath, possible blindness, strokes, elections lasting more than four hours? Like what the ^%*^ is in that to cause a human body to react like that?

I digress, my rant is probably astounding at this point. The whole "marijuana is bad, drugs are bad, drugs need to be illegal," is just insane. I have deliberately debated this subject on many occasions you can cite every claim you make to the deaths/illnesses attributed to so many legal drugs, how countries that changed their view on "drugs and criminality," towards "drugs and mental illness," and the results thereafter, or try to boil it down to a common sense approach; one that essentially ignores the addictions/overdoses of other legal drugs, and asks, "What's so different, or worse, for that matter?"

And I'm telling you - there is NO logical reasoning as to why cannabis should remain illegal. I have seen emotional and opinionated statements regarding its addictions and misuse, it should however be noted that (in my opinion) in the form of "addiction," there is hardly any prevelant addiction properties in cannabis. Dependency? Absolutely - however, attempting to get people to see the difference of "addictions," and "dependencies," are like attempting to convince a Republican that a "Democrat Socialist," is not a "Socialist," nor a "Communist," then attempting to ensure them that you're not a Clinton-supporting "Libtard."

There are articles showing dependencies and withdrawals from coffee and chocolates; we ought to outlaw that too! It's absolute insanity, and I won't even elaborate on how cannabis being illegal therefore ensures and creates a place in a black market with other "harder," drugs. The "gateway drug," theory was created by the people who created the legislation to outlaw, therefore allowing the emergence of a black market.

(Let's remember - Chicago never had a black market for alcohol during the Prohibition era. Oh, wait...)

Did you know, the government's "official expert," on marijuana from 1938-1962, Dr. James C. Munch testified in court, under oath, that he took two puffs of marihuana and turned into a bat?

Also, Harry J. Anslinger, head of some BS alphabet agency, said these tidbits of propoganda gold:

"weed with roots in hell"
(cannabis existed before man invented Hell)
"an assassin of youth"
(your cannabis may stab you while you sleep?)
"turned its users into violent, criminal zombies"
(He's referring to meth and/or sports teams winning the Cup/Bowl/Super-Game and people rioting like zombies)

"An addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."

And Reefer Madness - oh, it's madness alright. It's something you'd expect to see on Comedy Central, except for honestly; it's incredibly racist to blacks/Latinos, and sexist to ALL women, and I wouldn't recommend it as a very credible source of anything expect for a prime example at failed polarized-politics of hate in America.

Anyways, good thread and replies. I'm not attacking anyone either, just espousing my beliefs regarding the rampant hypocrisies in America. My rants tend to be pretty damn long.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 07:54 PM
long rant alright....but well thought out with many valid points. Thanks....and rant anytime you feel like it.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:02 PM
a reply to: hiddenNZ

Although it is not an "all-be," remedy, CBD oils have in many cases proved to be miraculous.

If you want to meet someone who is absolutely anti-marijuana in everyway, talk to my mother. She worked with a man who was diagnosed with terminal cancer, and who ended up healing himself using CBD oils and other natural remedies - and he wrote a book regarding his experiences.

Needless to say, she has a very different mindset regarding the medical industry than she once had before reading his book.

The intense therapies and measures of numerous medications, not being able to eat or hold down a solid meal for 12+ hours, constant fatigue and pain, it sounded like pure anguish; physical, mental, and spiritual.

Within two months of changing his routines/medications, it was like reading work from someone entirely different.

In a Capatilistic (I misspelled that) society, all that matters is profit - the bottom line. Curing a disease is a noble cause, however - why not examine the cause of the disease, and eliminate it there? Have you seen the stockpiles of plastic and other junk that is left behind every year by relays for cancer and other illnesses?

The blind leading the blind; except for our eyes are wide open. We collectively just don't care - give me The walking dead! Give me my Sunday night football!"

Trying to find out what causes cancer and other diseases and attempting to change our societal standard to help prevent these rather than assist in perpetuate them?

Haha, who are we kidding - we are truly the 1%. The 1% who actually give a damn.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:09 PM
I understand fully. If it wasnt for cannabis,chances are I wouldnt be here today. I done interferon treatment for Hep-c,and the only thing that helped me through it (besides my family) was cannabis. I couldnt muster an appatite,hold food down when I did eat,sleep properly and had big suicidal tendancies....untill I stared eating and drinking cannabis based foods and drinks. Hep and drug free.....except for the odd puff and beer.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:30 PM
a reply to: reldra

Aren't hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts pretty much the same side effects as quitting smoking without Chantix?

Seeing ads like that always make me shake my head. Then, of course, there's some lawyer offering legal services when things go horribly wrong after taking those drugs.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:54 PM
a reply to: reldra

I more or less agree although it isn't like the ads influence anyone with a brain.

I don't really like the idea of the Government banning things in general, but the ads are very annoying and if it affects corporations and not individual liberty I can give my tacit approval.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:03 PM
a reply to: TerryMcGuire

Yeah, nothing makes a hypochondriac want a stroke, difficulty breathing, kidney failure, etc. more than the pharma ads.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:09 PM

originally posted by: hiddenNZ
a reply to: Maverick7
tramadol is bad # man,highly addictive and the effects on withdrawl are horrendous. Brain shocks for months after not taking them was the worst for me...and you know what the hardest drug to ditch was? tramadol. So as of 7yrs drug free,in alot of pain,but hey.....its either pain or death,the choice is a no brainer.

I think some patients/persons are highly susceptible to the 'lock and key' that the molecule fits wrt Ultram/tramadol. Fortunately I was not one of them.

But having read a lot of the horror stories from others, I really feel for you man. I was able to solve my pain to a large degree by breaking the inflammation cycle but it took me 10 years and not sleeping through the night since 2002, until last year. I found out I had a wheat allergy and targeting that and using some Tylenol#3 to cut the cycle, it abated.

A friend of mine who was given Prozac had some long lasting problems and yes, those brain shocks, but it wasn't like the kind you had. It also changed his libido and some other things. Even worse are the short acting SRIs, like Paxil, and you dare not got cold turkey on those.

Hang in there and thanks for sharing.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:11 PM
a reply to: reldra

I don't expect the advertisement for drugs to go anywhere anytime soon, when in America 70% of the population are on some type of prescription drugs, this are a lot of consumers to target.

7 out of 10 Americans take at least one prescription drug.

And 20% of the population are on 5 or more.

Big pharma is a multibillion dollar empire.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:15 PM
and whats really crazy is when they have one of these drug ads on and then the very next ad is some ambulance chasing law group:
"Have you or a loved been injured or died from taking (insert name of drug here) then call us we can get you money"

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:31 PM
a reply to: RomeByFire

And I'm telling you - there is NO logical reasoning as to why cannabis should remain illegal.

The primary reason? Without the prohibition the legal system from the beat cop to the judges would be out of work.

State police would no longer have motivation to pull people over for drinking a cup of coffee, or having one tire touch the edge of the yellow stripe.

Remember those in law enforcement do not ever want everyone to follow the law. If they did there'd be nothing for them to do, except help little old ladies cross the street and get cats out of trees. Oh wait that's the boy scouts and firemen.

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:34 PM
Truly the weirdest thing to get use to since living in the US are these ads. They are ludicrous, given doctors prescribe drugs, they aren't like sweets you can try.

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