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ACLU Board Member Resigns After Urging People To Kill Supporters Of Trump

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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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I think there are a lot of poor assumptions about what the ACLU really is and does underlying some of these comments. The ACLU isn't really a liberal political organization. They have a track record of rubbing both liberals and conservatives the wrong way. Rather admirably, they've been consistent in their argument that civil liberties are universal: the same rights that support the actions of BLM protestors support the actions of (non-violent) racist political groups. They are rather a good example of Voltaire's most famous sentiment that he would defend to the death his ideological opponent's right to speak their words. Their defense of free speech has been admirably consistent regardless of who was doing the speaking or what exactly they were saying.

With that in mind, this individual has no business at the ACLU. Trump supporters in casting a vote would be exercising their rights in the context of democratic government. It's abhorrent to suggest they be violently attacked so as to prevent them from exercising their rights.

But let's be real about a couple of things: words are not terrorism. What he said was wrong-headed, ill-advised, and worthy of contempt, but it was not an act of terrorism. Had he actually shot someone, it would be. But the overwhelming odds are that he bent the utility of hyperbole until it broke and landed himself in a world of trouble. Instead of exaggerating the circumstance, and exaggerating the left/right divide, perhaps we can take this as an opportunity to focus on our shared values. I think there are precious few on the left or the right who would agree with this person's words, or disagree with their parting of ways with the ACLU, even if they were "allowed" to resign. This is a rare opportunity and a rare example. Let's reinforce our shared notions of civil discourse: we don't try to kill each other because we disagree. We don't need to drag an ugly dualistic political perspective into this. We can join hands and say: "No, this is not how we conduct ourselves in a democracy," instead. And that's exactly what we should be doing.




posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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So with this individual stating this in public, requesting others kill Trump supporters, I wonder how they spoke in private long prior to this event. I have little doubt that the daily talk at the ACLU is often about killing, injuring or insulting those who believe differently than the left.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 07:37 PM
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Portlandia, Oregon.
Left-wing hatred and violence being propagated against Trump...being taught to little children...IN A FUN WAY.




Kids Scream “I Want to Kill Him!” While Beating Trump Piñata to “Stop Hate”


VIDEO: www.youtube.com...
PHOTO: www.thegatewaypundit.com...
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A new food cart in Portland, Oregon, El Diablito, staged its grand opening celebration by featuring dancers and a Donald Trump pinata.

VIDEO=> Kids Scream “I Want to Kill Him!” While Beating Trump Piñata to “Stop Hate”

kids trump pinata
A banner on the stage read “El Diablito” which means “the little devil.”

Little kids and adults lined up to take turns battering the effigy, which they say they were destroying to “promote peace” and “fight hate.”

One little kid screams out “I want to kill him!” when he takes his turn beating the Trump piñata. The food cart owner claimed this wasn’t about politics.


Of course, if it would have been an Obama piñata the media would have called this a “racist” act but since it’s a Republican it’s all good.


www.thegatewaypundit.com...

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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:06 PM
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Isn't that like stabbing a kitten to promote awareness of animal cruelty?



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:46 PM
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wow talk about using violent propaganda to promote their utopian dream. It's frightening, and they truly believe they have the moral high ground. In any case, the ACLU has communist origins, likely much to the chagrin of people suggesting there is anything truly non partisan about them.

www.redstate.com...




Noted author Paul Kengor has unearthed declassified letters and other documents in the Soviet Comintern archives linking early leaders of the ACLU with the Communist Party.
Kengor found a May 23, 1931 letter in the archives signed by ACLU founder Roger Baldwin, written on ACLU stationery, to then American Communist Party Chairman William Z. Foster asking him to help ACLU Chairman Harry Ward with his then-upcoming trip to Stalin’s Russia.

The letter suggests Ward intended to visit the Soviet Union to find “evidence from Soviet Russia” that would undermine the capitalist profit motive.

dailycaller.com...



townhall.com...

Incredibly, the ACLU claims that removal of these fictions somehow violates students’ constitutional rights to “access of information.” That’s right: your kids have a constitutional right to absorb misinformation. If a pro-Communist wants to lie about the impact of the Party on the people, your tax dollars should encourage children to read those lies.


After all, when it’s not promoting Communism, the ACLU is promoting atheism. As the Number One religious censor in America, they’re probably more responsible than anyone for removing Bibles, books on Christian faith, history, and heritage, and textbooks debunking Darwinian theory from public library shelves all over the country.



First, Roger Baldwin: Baldwin was the founder of the ACLU, so far to the left that he was hounded by the Justice Department of the progressive's progressive, Woodrow Wilson. Perhaps it was a faith thing. Wilson was a progressive, but he was also a devout Christian, and Roger Baldwin was anything but that.

spectator.org...

Baldwin was an atheist. He was also a onetime communist, who, among other ignoble gestures, wrote a horrible 1928 book called Liberty Under the Soviets. Notably, he was smart enough not to join Communist Party USA (CPUSA). Other early officials of the ACLU, which was founded almost exactly the same time as the American Communist Party, included major party members like William Z. Foster, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, and Louis Budenz (who later broke with the party). Communists used the ACLU to deflect questions from the U.S. government over whether they were loyal to the USSR, were serving Joe Stalin in some capacity, and were committed to the overthrow of the American system.


So theres all of that so Its really not too surprising that an ACLU leader would be so bold and rude, but the indoctrination of children to murder in the name of the leftist agenda is just beyond the pale.
I do love it though when the chameleons show their spots
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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 10:53 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
wow talk about using violent propaganda to promote their utopian dream. It's frightening, and they truly believe they have the moral high ground. In any case, the ACLU has communist origins, likely much to the chagrin of people suggesting there is anything truly non partisan about them.


So people in the 30's were linked with Communism when it was popular. What's the big deal? Do you think the country would be a better place without the ACLU fighting for the constitution?



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 10:56 PM
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originally posted by: stormbringer1701one called for murder and the other one didn't. Get a grip. Moritorium =/= murder.


And what happened to the guy that called for murder? Oh right, he was pushed out of his job rather than being endorsed.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 11:11 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: stormbringer1701one called for murder and the other one didn't. Get a grip. Moritorium =/= murder.


And what happened to the guy that called for murder? Oh right, he was pushed out of his job rather than being endorsed.
has anyone endorsed a murderer?



posted on Dec, 13 2015 @ 12:36 AM
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other than libs and Mumia Jamal?



posted on Dec, 13 2015 @ 01:52 AM
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originally posted by: stormbringer1701
And what happened to the guy that called for murder? Oh right, he was pushed out of his job rather than being endorsed.
has anyone endorsed a murderer?

Not by anyone worth mentioning.

Lately, when people on the left go crazy they get backlash. Sometimes from others on the left and things happen like people losing their jobs.

On the right this doesn't happen to nearly the same extent. Hannity a few weeks ago was calling for us to use nuclear weapons and create a genocide in the middle east and... nothing. When someone on the right does go crazy though, they tend to circle the wagons and defend that person rather than throw them away.

This is because Democrats are much closer to a loose coalition of values for people that want a voice but don't want to be Republicans while the GOP operates a rather inclusive party but tries to steer thought towards a handful of competing ideologies. Basically GOP bonds are tighter so they're more likely to protect their own, which is why people like Carson and Trump are doing so well. Democrafts have a different type of demographic, while Republicans really only need to hit 4 or 5 major points, Democrats don't have that, they have to hit 50 smaller points to cobble together support.

That same structure works in this case too. It's easy for the left to get rid of a troublesome person, the right wouldn't do so quite so easily... look at how they still keep Alex Jones around and semi legitimize him.



posted on Dec, 13 2015 @ 02:09 AM
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That statement, whether made in jest, or serious intent, exposes that America does indeed have an issue. A rather scary one at that.

Doing something as stupid, not to mention illegal, as that...and thinking people might actually be OK with it?

Amazing. Simply amazing. ...and disturbing.



posted on Dec, 13 2015 @ 03:54 AM
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Shouldn't the ACLU be categorized as a hate group by the SPLC now?



posted on Dec, 13 2015 @ 06:14 PM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
wow talk about using violent propaganda to promote their utopian dream. It's frightening, and they truly believe they have the moral high ground. In any case, the ACLU has communist origins, likely much to the chagrin of people suggesting there is anything truly non partisan about them.


So people in the 30's were linked with Communism when it was popular. What's the big deal? Do you think the country would be a better place without the ACLU fighting for the constitution?


Yes in fact I do think the world would survive just fine without the ACLU. I would be just as happy to go with the ACLJ as they are not far left. The ACLU fights for mostly leftist causes and collective rights not individual liberties.




Lately, when people on the left go crazy they get backlash. Sometimes from others on the left and things happen like people losing their jobs.


I would love it if you could give just one example.... all the examples of the Left going nuts or doing stupid things Ive seen the Left defend them....there's Bengazi....the Left still defending her and planning to vote for her....that is whoever doesn't go for the Bern Socialism....all the others in recent shootings or what not the Left blamed on the Right....
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posted on Dec, 13 2015 @ 07:06 PM
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Yes in fact I do think the world would survive just fine without the ACLU. I would be just as happy to go with the ACLJ as they are not far left. The ACLU fights for mostly leftist causes and collective rights not individual liberties.


YEP taken straight from the horses mouth.



ACLU POSITION Given the reference to "a well regulated Militia" and "the security of a free State," the ACLU has long taken the position that the Second Amendment protects a collective right rather than an individual right.


www.aclu.org...

The complete antithesis of the Bill of Rights, and the 14th amendments.



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