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Should ATS stop any thread that supports Trump and his message?

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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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White Supremacists for Donald Trump: ‘The Positions Made Me a Convert’




Johnson, who requested that he not be referred to as a neo-Nazi in this article, is listed under the Southern Poverty Law Center’s “Extremist Files,” notably for proposing a 1985 constitutional amendment that would have revoked the American citizenship of every non-white inhabitant of the United States.

“No person shall be a citizen of the United States unless he is a non-Hispanic white of the European race,” the language of the amendment read. “Only citizens shall have the right and privilege to reside permanently in the United States.”


We know he is not going to win but what is shocking is the support he is getting from Americans.




“Donald Trump isn’t governed by handlers,” Johnson told me over the phone from his law office. “He shoots from the hip and he speaks forthrightly. He does not care what public opinion is.”


Sound familiar...it is the exact answer to the question "why support him"..from his supporters on ATS.




In Johnson’s words, the United States is facing a threat to “the continued existence of Western civilization,” with immigrants displacing whites throughout the world. The only person who seems equipped to ensure that the white race can thrive at the top once again is a golden-haired real estate magnate by the name of Trump.


Is this the reason for his supporters?




Forums on Stormfront, a white supremacist organization, lit up like the phone lines of a radio station giving out free concert tickets after Trump proposed his recent idea.


Does ATS need these types of individuals and their message?




The GOP frontrunner, after all, retweeted a racially biased false crime statistic generated by an individual who identifies as a neo-Nazi. People of color have been kicked out of his rallies—called the n-word and “monkeys” when they have spoken up against Trump’s racially hostile language.


He does not speak out against these actions from his supporters, does that mean he is OK with it?

By allowing people to spread the message of Trump and his followers, does ATS run the risk of turning into another a sto**fr**nt?




posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:00 PM
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Anyone else thinking that ATS should just stop Trump threads all together because they seem to be saturating the boards right now.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: theonenonlyone

The blame is on those who keep calling him racist when he isn't. Both the racists and those who repeat the "he's racist" rhetoric have fallen for it hook line and sinker. In other words, the propaganda is grasping for the lowest common denominator and sometimes reaching it.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:04 PM
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a reply to: theonenonlyone

No.
I support free speech so no matter how much I disagree with Trump and his message he has a right to say what he wants to say.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:05 PM
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No.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:06 PM
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Why so we can get back to discussing the leftist approved round of 2016 hot button topics like free college and transgender rights while more couples like Jihadi Jane and her happy house-hubby massacre his office mates?

Oh, yes, and whether or not my tax rate ought to be 90% as opposed to merely a paltry 75%.
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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:07 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Anyone else thinking that ATS should just stop Trump threads all together because they seem to be saturating the boards right now.


NO!

They are comedy GOLD! The zeal of his supporters is too funny!

At times you just need to let things play out, if only for the laughs.

Really!

Derek



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:08 PM
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You seem like you are pushing an agenda, and trying to censor ATS, as you said.

originally posted by: theonenonlyone
Does ATS need these types of individuals and their message?



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:12 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

I'd have to agree, Here in america we have "Free Speech" supposedly. If you dont want to read the thread, dont read the thread. Everyone has a right to say what they want when they want, especially in an open forum, such as a discussion board. The moment ATS starts sensoring anyone, I think its a bad move. You may or may not agree with something, but bottom line is people should be able to talk.

Camain



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:15 PM
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Maybe we need a safe room like the universities now have in case the weak of esteem need a like minded echo chamber to regain a sparsely supplied equilibrium.

NO

I can't recollect anyone call for thread censures back in 08' or 12' when it was Obama, Obama, Obama 24/7 much less the OP.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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I dont like trumph, but hell NO!



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:24 PM
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originally posted by: Phoenix
Maybe we need a safe room like the universities now have in case the weak of esteem need a like minded echo chamber to regain a sparsely supplied equilibrium.

NO

I can't recollect anyone call for thread censures back in 08' or 12' when it was Obama, Obama, Obama 24/7 much less the OP.




I suggested it before in the past week although in jest?

New Forum for ATS: THE SAFE ROOM where all who are offended can give each other hugs?

I must say though, it would probably keep the MODS really busy with "Troll Alerts"!

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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:28 PM
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What?

Why the hell would we want that on ATS?

We already can't discuss certain false flag conspiracies, "hoaxes" or drugs...
And I think only a select minority agree to that, the rest begrudgingly agree to abide by those T&Cs...

What?



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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I don't know if he's a racist, but he's most def a troll.

Timeline: Donald Trump has been getting called racist since 1973

I don't care if people post a gazillion threads...or none. When they do, it's always very entertaining, one way or another.

I will say, however, that this place is getting a very Stornmfront-ish feel about it lately. Let's just hope no one gets hurt.

'Racist', 'fascist', 'utterly repellent': What the world said about Donald Trump

Oh well. He sees the world in his own way too.


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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:30 PM
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No.

He cant control what others do with his statements or ideals, anymore so than a book or leader.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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Ask some of Trump's most ardent haters if they have actually read his positions on Immigration. Most will tell you 'no', but they have heard this and have heard that.

Then ask them where have you heard that? Oh my, the liberal blogosphere and Democrat-supporting msm feeds them their talking points like a baby is fed pablum.

Argue with the real position (if you know it):


Immigration Reform That Will Make America Great Again

The three core principles of Donald J. Trump's immigration plan

When politicians talk about “immigration reform” they mean: amnesty, cheap labor and open borders. The Schumer-Rubio immigration bill was nothing more than a giveaway to the corporate patrons who run both parties.

Real immigration reform puts the needs of working people first – not wealthy globetrotting donors. We are the only country in the world whose immigration system puts the needs of other nations ahead of our own. That must change. Here are the three core principles of real immigration reform:

1. A nation without borders is not a nation. There must be a wall across the southern border.

2. A nation without laws is not a nation. Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced.

3. A nation that does not serve its own citizens is not a nation. Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans.

Make Mexico Pay For The Wall

For many years, Mexico’s leaders have been taking advantage of the United States by using illegal immigration to export the crime and poverty in their own country (as well as in other Latin American countries). They have even published pamphlets on how to illegally immigrate to the United States. The costs for the United States have been extraordinary: U.S. taxpayers have been asked to pick up hundreds of billions in healthcare costs, housing costs, education costs, welfare costs, etc. Indeed, the annual cost of free tax credits alone paid to illegal immigrants quadrupled to $4.2 billion in 2011. The effects on jobseekers have also been disastrous, and black Americans have been particularly harmed.

The impact in terms of crime has been tragic. In recent weeks, the headlines have been covered with cases of criminals who crossed our border illegally only to go on to commit horrific crimes against Americans. Most recently, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, with a long arrest record, is charged with breaking into a 64 year-old woman’s home, crushing her skull and eye sockets with a hammer, raping her, and murdering her. The Police Chief in Santa Maria says the “blood trail” leads straight to Washington.

In 2011, the Government Accountability Office found that there were a shocking 3 million arrests attached to the incarcerated alien population, including tens of thousands of violent beatings, rapes and murders.

Meanwhile, Mexico continues to make billions on not only our bad trade deals but also relies heavily on the billions of dollars in remittances sent from illegal immigrants in the United States back to Mexico ($22 billion in 2013 alone).

In short, the Mexican government has taken the United States to the cleaners. They are responsible for this problem, and they must help pay to clean it up.

The cost of building a permanent border wall pales mightily in comparison to what American taxpayers spend every single year on dealing with the fallout of illegal immigration on their communities, schools and unemployment offices.

Mexico must pay for the wall and, until they do, the United States will, among other things: impound all remittance payments derived from illegal wages; increase fees on all temporary visas issued to Mexican CEOs and diplomats (and if necessary cancel them); increase fees on all border crossing cards – of which we issue about 1 million to Mexican nationals each year (a major source of visa overstays); increase fees on all NAFTA worker visas from Mexico (another major source of overstays); and increase fees at ports of entry to the United States from Mexico [Tariffs and foreign aid cuts are also options]. We will not be taken advantage of anymore.

Defend The Laws And Constitution Of The United States

America will only be great as long as America remains a nation of laws that lives according to the Constitution. No one is above the law. The following steps will return to the American people the safety of their laws, which politicians have stolen from them:

Triple the number of ICE officers. As the President of the ICE Officers’ Council explained in Congressional testimony: “Only approximately 5,000 officers and agents within ICE perform the lion’s share of ICE’s immigration mission…Compare that to the Los Angeles Police Department at approximately 10,000 officers. Approximately 5,000 officers in ICE cover 50 states, Puerto Rico and Guam, and are attempting to enforce immigration law against 11 million illegal aliens already in the interior of the United States. Since 9-11, the U.S. Border Patrol has tripled in size, while ICE’s immigration enforcement arm, Enforcement and Removal Operations (ERO), has remained at relatively the same size.” This will be funded by accepting the recommendation of the Inspector General for Tax Administration and eliminating tax credit payments to illegal immigrants.

Nationwide e-verify. This simple measure will protect jobs for unemployed Americans.

Mandatory return of all criminal aliens. The Obama Administration has released 76,000 aliens from its custody with criminal convictions since 2013 alone. All criminal aliens must be returned to their home countries, a process which can be aided by canceling any visas to foreign countries which will not accept their own criminals, and making it a separate and additional crime to commit an offense while here illegally.

Detention—not catch-and-release. Illegal aliens apprehended crossing the border must be detained until they are sent home, no more catch-and-release.

............continued


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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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...........continued

Defund sanctuary cities. Cut-off federal grants to any city which refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement.

Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa. Millions of people come to the United States on temporary visas but refuse to leave, without consequence. This is a threat to national security. Individuals who refuse to leave at the time their visa expires should be subject to criminal penalties; this will also help give local jurisdictions the power to hold visa overstays until federal authorities arrive. Completion of a visa tracking system – required by law but blocked by lobbyists – will be necessary as well.

Cooperate with local gang task forces. ICE officers should accompany local police departments conducting raids of violent street gangs like MS-13 and the 18th street gang, which have terrorized the country. All illegal aliens in gangs should be apprehended and deported. Again, quoting Chris Crane: “ICE Officers and Agents are forced to apply the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) Directive, not to children in schools, but to adult inmates in jails. If an illegal-alien inmate simply claims eligibility, ICE is forced to release the alien back into the community. This includes serious criminals who have committed felonies, who have assaulted officers, and who prey on children…ICE officers should be required to place detainers on every illegal alien they encounter in jails and prisons, since these aliens not only violated immigration laws, but then went on to engage in activities that led to their arrest by police; ICE officers should be required to issue Notices to Appear to all illegal aliens with criminal convictions, DUI convictions, or a gang affiliation; ICE should be working with any state or local drug or gang task force that asks for such assistance.”

End birthright citizenship. This remains the biggest magnet for illegal immigration. By a 2:1 margin, voters say it’s the wrong policy, including Harry Reid who said “no sane country” would give automatic citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants.

Put American Workers First

Decades of disastrous trade deals and immigration policies have destroyed our middle class. Today, nearly 40% of black teenagers are unemployed. Nearly 30% of Hispanic teenagers are unemployed. For black Americans without high school diplomas, the bottom has fallen out: more than 70% were employed in 1960, compared to less than 40% in 2000. Across the economy, the percentage of adults in the labor force has collapsed to a level not experienced in generations. As CBS news wrote in a piece entitled “America’s incredible shrinking middle class”: “If the middle-class is the economic backbone of America, then the country is developing osteoporosis.”

The influx of foreign workers holds down salaries, keeps unemployment high, and makes it difficult for poor and working class Americans – including immigrants themselves and their children – to earn a middle class wage. Nearly half of all immigrants and their US-born children currently live in or near poverty, including more than 60 percent of Hispanic immigrants. Every year, we voluntarily admit another 2 million new immigrants, guest workers, refugees, and dependents, growing our existing all-time historic record population of 42 million immigrants. We need to control the admission of new low-earning workers in order to: help wages grow, get teenagers back to work, aid minorities’ rise into the middle class, help schools and communities falling behind, and to ensure our immigrant members of the national family become part of the American dream.

Additionally, we need to stop giving legal immigrant visas to people bent on causing us harm. From the 9/11 hijackers, to the Boston Bombers, and many others, our immigration system is being used to attack us. The President of the immigration caseworkers union declared in a statement on ISIS: “We've become the visa clearinghouse for the world.”

Here are some additional specific policy proposals for long-term reform:

Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs. We graduate two times more Americans with STEM degrees each year than find STEM jobs, yet as much as two-thirds of entry-level hiring for IT jobs is accomplished through the H-1B program. More than half of H-1B visas are issued for the program's lowest allowable wage level, and more than eighty percent for its bottom two. Raising the prevailing wage paid to H-1Bs will force companies to give these coveted entry-level jobs to the existing domestic pool of unemployed native and immigrant workers in the U.S., instead of flying in cheaper workers from overseas. This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Requirement to hire American workers first. Too many visas, like the H-1B, have no such requirement. In the year 2015, with 92 million Americans outside the workforce and incomes collapsing, we need companies to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed. Petitions for workers should be mailed to the unemployment office, not USCIS.

End welfare abuse. Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S.

Jobs program for inner city youth. The J-1 visa jobs program for foreign youth will be terminated and replaced with a resume bank for inner city youth provided to all corporate subscribers to the J-1 visa program.

Refugee program for American children. Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses. Use the monies saved on expensive refugee programs to help place American children without parents in safer homes and communities, and to improve community safety in high crime neighborhoods in the United States.

Immigration moderation. Before any new green cards are issued to foreign workers abroad, there will be a pause where employers will have to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers. This will help reverse women's plummeting workplace participation rate, grow wages, and allow record immigration levels to subside to more moderate historical averages. www.donaldjtrump.com...
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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:35 PM
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originally posted by: Phoenix
Maybe we need a safe room like the universities now have in case the weak of esteem need a like minded echo chamber to regain a sparsely supplied equilibrium.



Well the new version of that is those that complain about PC. When they feel something is too PC for them, they jump in and complain about it and how it is wrong...etc.

They are the new "words hurt so please stop"



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:39 PM
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Sure and then quit talking about the need for and attacks against the First Amendment.

Or bury your head in the sand so as to not need to think rationally and make a decision about someone.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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Should ATS stop any thread that supports Trump and his message?

But, but this is a Trump thread.




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