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The Roots of Islamic Terrorism: the Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia

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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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The Wahhabi's were founded by Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. They are the religious wing of the Royal family of Saudi Arabia: "Ibn Abd al-Wahhab was invited to settle in neighboring Diriyah by its ruler Muhammad ibn Saud in 1740 (1157 AH), two of whose brothers had been students of Ibn Abd al-Wahhab. Upon arriving in Diriyya, a pact was made between Ibn Saud and Ibn Abd al-Wahhab, by which Ibn Saud pledged to implement and enforce Ibn Abd al-Wahhab's teachings, while Ibn Saud and his family would remain the temporal "leaders" of the movement".(See for instance Wikipedia article on Wahhabism).




It is possible that Osama Bin Laden was just a rogue multi-millionaire Saudi policeman who happened to be a member of the Wahhabi cult. However, the Wahhabis have been actively sponsoring terrorism on their own behalf. Wahhabis can wield a substantial part of the wealth of Saudi Arabia and sponsor extremist mosques and educational establishments on a global scale from schools and mosques in the UK and Europe to extremist Madrassas in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand etc. It was the well-funded Wahhabis who created and radicalised the Taliban.




A Wahhabi cleric, Anwar Al Awlaki, has the dubious distinction of radicalising the US Major Nidal Hassan who killed 13 personnel in a rampage at Fort Hood in the USA and the Christmas Day bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, as well as being implicated in numerous other substantial terrorist connections (See Centre for Social Cohesion Report and ‘Londonistan’ is still the weakest link.). The most interesting aspect of Awlaki's Wahhabi activities is his connections with the Islamic groups and extreme clerics in the UK and their widespread acceptance of the Wahhabi viewpoint. The extremist Islam of Somalia is also due to the: connections and influences of the Salafia (Wahabi) school of Saudi Arabia.


I could give you thousands of links exposing this reality that Islamic terrorism is a Wahhabi problem completey and absolutely

The Saudis have the money to spread around and cover this up

But when is the world going to wake up and see this elephant in the Mosque?

If you go to the jails where most of the captured terrorist jihadis are 100 percent of them will be Wahhabis:

Did you read that?

Not half of them, not a third of them, not a quarter of them but ALL OF THEM ARE WAHHABI/SALAFI

You won't see a Malaki Muslim, Shafai Muslim, Ahmadiya Muslim, Shia Muslim, Sufi Muslim, You’ll ONLY se a Wahhabi/Salafi Muslim.

There are in Islam 5 main schools of thought and many other minor sects.

None of them believe and practice the extremism of Wahhabism.

Sure there was and are fundamentalist doctrines like cults coming from some schools of thought, just like most religions breed but you will not find anything to compare with this 18th century violent and murderous sect called Salafi/Wahhabism that came from Arabia…

In traditional Islamic Quranic doctrine: There is no compulsion in religion!
The Prophet Muhammad aided Christians and Jews, they were our brothers as “People of the Book” and historically Muslim civilizations were friendlier to Jews than the Christian civilization, such as in Spain.


So where do these Salafi/Wahhabis get all this violent, sectarian intolerant Islam from:

The 18th Century Muslim reformer of Arabia Abdul Wahhab who had a visceral hatred for all things he felt was not literally pre-modern religious culture: he was in essence a sectarian bigot of colossal proportions and these latter day Salafi/Wahhabis have inherited his extreme beliefs.




posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:00 PM
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On Abdul-Wahhab


As with the early Salafists, Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab's teachings were criticized by a number of Islamic scholars for disregarding Islamic history, monuments, traditions and the sanctity of Muslim life.[60] His own brother, Sulayman, was particularly critical, claiming he was ill-educated and intolerant, classing Ibn ʿAbd al-Wahhab's views as fringe and fanatical.[60][dubious – discuss] It is generally believed, however, that the two later reconciled.[61] A list of scholars with opposing views, along with names of their books and related information, was compiled by the Islamic scholar Muhammad Hisham.[62]

In Islam, traditionally, there are 5 major schools of thought and non of them have any level of degree of doctrine like Wahhabism, It never did and never will.

There are many other Islamic sects such as the Admadiyya, a very peaceful, industrious group who just like other sects in Islam in some areas are persecuted by the Wahhabis.

There murdered in Pakistan regularly along with Christians, Sufis, Shia, and other NON WAHHABIS.

ALL of these modern terrorists’ incidents, ALL OF THEM….I repeat, ALL OF THEM are by Wahhabi indoctrinated followers commanded or influenced by their imams.

Look it up for yourself, don’t just take my word for it.

Wahhabism: Religious deviance and fountainhead of radicalism & extremism



Wahhabism is merely the misguided expression of one man’s political ambition - Mohammed Abdel-Wahhab, a bigot who was recruited by the British Empire to erode the fabric of Islam and crack the armor of the then-Ottoman Empire by breeding sectarianism and dissent. It is Abdel-Wahhab's alliance to the House of Saud that ultimately unleashed this now seemingly unstoppable evil we know today under the tag of Islamic radicalism.




If not for the Al Saud Royals' billions and the silence of Western powers, Wahhabism would never have crossed the deserts of Saudi Arabia. If not for the kingdom's lavish sponsoring of the Wahhabi school of thought, extremism would never have come to be in the first place.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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You should also blame the British and US for contributing to its rise. Remember it was them who supported the rise of Saudi Arabia due to the region having oil. With petro money the Saudis were able to fund extremist movements, causing them to spread their twisted ideology.
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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:03 PM
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You won't see in prisons for terrorist activities a Malaki Muslim, Shafai Muslim, Ahmadiyaa Muslim, Shia Muslim, Sufi Muslim, You’ll ONLY se a Wahhabi/Salafi Muslim.

There are in Islam 5 main schools of thought and many other minor sects.

None of them believe and practice the extremism of Wahhabism.

Sure there was and are fundamentalist doctrines like cults coming from some schools of thought, just like most religions breed but you will not find anything to compare with this 18th century violent and murderous sect called Salafi/Wahhabism that came from Arabia…
Wahhabism to ISIS: how Saudi Arabia exported the main source of global terrorism

In traditional Islamic Quranic doctrine: There is no compulsion in religion!
The Prophet Muhammad aided Christians and Jews, they were our brothers as “People of the Book” and historically Muslim civilizations were friendlier to Jews than the Christian civilization, such as in Spain. And that


So where do these Salafi/Wahhabis get all this violent, sectarian intolerant Islam from:

The 18th Century Muslim reformer of Arabia Abdul Wahhab who had a visceral hatred for all things he felt was not literally pre-modern religious culture: he was in essence a sectarian bigot of colossal proportions and these latter day Salafi/Wahhabis have inherited his extreme beliefs.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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Certainly true Islam is not all rose colored glasses besides Wahhabism, it, just like many religions, or similar to Christianity has dogmatic self-righteous people within it who are to readily to condemn others of another faith, but believe me nothing like Wahhabi/Salafi sectarianism who have built into their dogma intense hatred for other faiths and beliefs.

They teach and preach a form of sectarian superiority of their version of Islam unlike hardly anything around: everybody but them is going to hell forever! So naturally you could descend into a frame of mind where you have the right to kill people.

Religion already is a science of indoctrination to a great degree so if you add pernicious dogma of superiority over others, violence is not far away

Indeed a Wahhabi/Salafi can condemn even other Muslims and take their lives!

This is absolutely not practiced or believed in all other Islamic schools of thought

This is utter madness and was not and is not in any sect of Islam before Wahhabism or since!

They claim the right to call anyone from some self-righteous perspective a disbeliever and accordingly can treat you like a criminal.

This sordid mentality is the etiology of modern day Islamic terrorism, ISIS, and violence.

This superior attitude towards others is a deadly formula in any reliigon, particularly when added on to the concept of a Royal kingship such as in Saudi Arabia.

So an Osama bin laden type raised with this sectarian superiority could easily make the jump to justify himself and his followers killing innocent kafirs (degrading term for disbelievers) on their quest to religious sanctity.

This cancerous frame of mind has spread in the Wahhabi cauldron of sectarian superiority

Here, oh people, is where the cancer began and where it still exists!

European Parliament identifies Wahabi and Salafi roots of global terrorism



It is not merely the faith or oil that flows out of Saudi Arabia. The oil-rich Arab state and its neighbours are busy financing Wahabi and Salafi militants across the globe.A recent report by the European Parliament reveals how Wahabi and Salafi groups based out of the Middle East are involved in the "support and supply of arms to rebel groups around the world." The report, released in June 2013, was commissioned by European Parliament's Directorate General for External Policies. The report warns about the Wahabi/Salafi organisations and claims that "no country in the Muslim world is safe from their operations ... as they always aim to terrorise their opponents and arouse the admiration of their supporters."




The nexus between Arab charities promoting Wahabi and Salafi traditions and the extremist Islamic movements has emerged as one of the major threats to people and governments across the globe. From Syria, Mali, Afghanistan and Pakistan to Indonesia in the East, a network of charities is funding militancy and mayhem to coerce Muslims of diverse traditions to conform to the Salafi and Wahabi traditions. The same networks have been equally destructive as they branch out of Muslim countries and attack targets in Europe and North America




The European Parliament’s report estimates that Saudi Arabia alone has spent over $10 billion to promote Wahabism through Saudi charitable foundations. The tiny, but very rich, state of Qatar is the new entrant to the game supporting militant franchises from Libya to Syria.




The linkage between Saudi-based charitable organisations and militants began in the late 70s in Pakistan. A network of charitable organisations was setup in Pakistan to provide the front for channeling billions of dollars to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. Since then the militant networks have spread globally, emerging as a major threat to international security.Charlie Wilson’s War, a book by George Crile that was made into a movie, details the Saudi-militancy nexus as well as Ahmed Rashid’s Taliban


So here you have again, time after time the same thing, the same Wahhabi/Salafi actions supporting terrorism, and radicalism, from the American allies!

Indeed there doesn’t have to be any study, we know for a fact where the source of terrorism comes from. The Wahhabi/Salafi Islamic sect.






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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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Analyses - Wahhabism | PBS - Saudi Time Bomb



For more than two centuries, Wahhabism has been Saudi Arabia's dominant faith. It is an austere form of Islam that insists on a literal interpretation of the Koran. Strict Wahhabis believe that all those who don't practice their form of Islam are heathens and enemies. Critics say that Wahhabism's rigidity has led it to misinterpret and distort Islam, pointing to extremists such as Osama bin Laden and the Taliban. Wahhabism's explosive growth began in the 1970s when Saudi charities started funding Wahhabi schools (madrassas) and mosques from Islamabad to Culver City, California. Here are excerpts from FRONTLINE's interviews with Mai Yamani, an anthropologist who studies Saudi society; Vali Nasr, an authority on Islamic fundamentalism; Maher Hathout, spokesperson for the Islamic Center of Southern California; and Ahmed Ali, a Shi'a Muslim from Saudi Arabia. (Also see the Links and Readingssection of this site for more analyses of Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia.)




If you go to school in Saudi Arabia, what do you learn about people who are not followers of Wahhabi, of the prophet?




The religious curriculum in Saudi Arabia teaches you that people are basically two sides: Salafis [Wahhabis], who are the winners, the chosen ones, who will go to heaven, and the rest. The rest are Muslims and Christians and Jews and others.




They are either kafirs, who are deniers of God, or mushrak, putting gods next to God, or enervators, that's the lightest one. The enervators of religion who are they call the Sunni Muslims who ... for instance, celebrate Prophet Mohammed's birthday, and do some stuff that is not accepted by Salafis.




And all of these people are not accepted by Salafi as Muslims. As I said, "claimant to Islam." And all of these people are supposed to be hated, to be persecuted, even killed. And we have several clergy -- not one Salafi clergy -- who have said that against the Shi'a and against the other Muslims. And they have done it in Algeria, in Afghanistan. This is the same ideology. They just have the same opportunity. They did it in Algeria and Afghanistan, and now New York. ...

This above states that Wahhabism began to be heavily exported in 1970, this equates with the timeline of existing terrorism that started after the Afghan Soviet/US/Pakistan war, when the CIA trained Muhajjadin turned into terrorists: Taliban and Al Qaeda…ALL WAHHABI/SALAFI.


The above also delineates the sectarian mentality of this faith, which has no resemblance to traditional Islam that was in comparison to other faiths had been tolerant towards others. The Wahhabi/Salafi doctrine literally condemns all but Wahhabis to eternal hell fire.
ONLY the Salafi/Wahhabis preach the lie that Muhammad slaughtered Jews and Christians when he had the power to do so


ONLY Salafi/Wahhabis preach and admit to an intolerance of others based on their false presentation of Muhammad’s teachings.

ONLY they claim the right to harm others, Muslims in particular, who do not follow their particular creed?

They claim they can take and kill Christians and Jews and Muslims (not of their sect) if the opportunity arises.

These pre-modernists claim some purity based on what?

That they follow what Muhammad was doing 1400 hundred years ago.

Most sects claim they follow their particular founder. That's nothing new or any different from any sectarian philosophy that claimed we are the true followers of this or that prophet or teachings

In closing, it must be said that there is likely an attempt by Western intelligence and other areas of western clandestine activity, maybe through bribes from Saudi, Gulf State countries, to cover this up and blame all of Islam for this terrorism phenomenon, which it is clearly exclusively confined to Wahhabi/Salafi fanatics.

The record unequivocally bears this out



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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Salafi Muslim here.

This is completely crap. Without going into all the fine detail of all this.

I'll keep it short...

This khuaraij ideology has been around since before abdule wahab. What they did was essentially hijacked the teachings of this particular school of thought and innovated it with their own ideology and claimed to be salafi /wahabi. When in reality they are Khuaraij.

Abdule bin Wahab simply took everything back to the Quran and sunna. After Mohammad (pbuh) died their was a tremendous amount of bid'ah in scripture. Thus forming differing sects of Islam. abdule bin wahab essentially restored Islam back to its orginal roots.

Their is a difference between "khuaraij salafi" or and salafiyyah.

I'll find some more information on it if your interested.

salaf-us-saalih.com...
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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:28 PM
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originally posted by: Kapusta
Salafi Muslim here.

This is completely crap. Without going into all the fine detail of all this.

I'll keep it short...

This khuaraij ideology has been around since before abdule wahab. What they did was essentially hijacked the teachings of this particular school of thought and innovated it with their own ideology and claimed to be salafi /wahabi. When in reality they are Khuaraij.

Abdule bin Wahab simply took everything back to the Quran and sunna. After Mohammad (pbuh) died their was a tremendous amount of bid'ah in scripture. Thus forming differing sects of Islam. abdule bin wahab essentially restored Islam back to its orginal roots.

Their is a difference between "khuaraij salafi" or and salafiyyah.

I'll find some more information on it if your interested.

salaf-us-saalih.com...


Then tell us who are ISIS, Bin Laden, Taliban, and ALL THOSE MURDERERS IN JAIL?

Tell us they aren’t Salafi/Wahhabis?

Where are all the non Salafi Wahhabi Islamic Terrorists?

You might get some Shia who are fighting Israel

Your distorting realty


You CAN’T REFUTE ANYHTING WITH FACTS



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:38 PM
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with all due respect

You're concocting a distortion( or you're teachers have done so and you're just repeating it) to cover up you're brothers in faith.

I don't and wont get in nay doctrinal religious debate

Its not what people want to hear

Well just stick to the facts of history




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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:41 PM
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A friend of mine an afghani born Muslim who fought the Taliban, told me all about the wahabi, he said they are scum that most Muslims dislike and distrust.
He also said these are the same as Isis and Taliban and said the woman with burkas and guys with the big beards so they are easy to recognise.
He told me of a friend that went to a wahabi mosque in the uk and there were real extremist views, he never went back again.

These are the Muslims people should be weary of and not tar all Muslims with the same brush.. many Muslim friends of mine are good people. The wahabi look at us like dirt and the ones that want us dead..

I was going to make a mega thread detailing these people but looks like you beat me to it



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:53 PM
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originally posted by: Kapusta
Salafi Muslim here.

This is completely crap. Without going into all the fine detail of all this.

I'll keep it short...

This khuaraij ideology has been around since before abdule wahab. What they did was essentially hijacked the teachings of this particular school of thought and innovated it with their own ideology and claimed to be salafi /wahabi. When in reality they are Khuaraij.

Abdule bin Wahab simply took everything back to the Quran and sunna. After Mohammad (pbuh) died their was a tremendous amount of bid'ah in scripture. Thus forming differing sects of Islam. abdule bin wahab essentially restored Islam back to its orginal roots.

Their is a difference between "khuaraij salafi" or and salafiyyah.

I'll find some more information on it if your interested.

salaf-us-saalih.com...


Then tell us who are ISIS, Bin Laden, Taliban, and ALL THOSE MURDERERS IN JAIL?

Tell us they aren’t Salafi/Wahhabis?

Where are all the non Salafi Wahhabi Islamic Terrorists?

You might get some Shia who are fighting Israel

Your distorting realty


You CAN’T REFUTE ANYHTING WITH FACTS



*face palm*

Let me see if I can put this in laymans terms .

So maybe you can understand it .

Abdule Bin Wahab restored Islam back to its orginal roots in a time when Islam was riddled with Bid' ah.
(innovation of scripture ). Meaning people formed they're own Ideology about certain scriptures and hadith. Thus forming differing sects .

Many Muslims who were leaders in they're particular scts didn't like the idea that abdule bin wahab was authenticating every part of Islam and calling people back to the quran and sunna. By that time people were locked into they're particular belief or ideology of Islam like shia , sufi , etc .

Every sect believed they were teaching the orginal pure form of Islam. Abdule bin wahab disputed that with fact from scripture . he essentially traced scripture back to Muhammad and the salaf and authenticated through a chain of narration.

He restored Islam back to its Orginal roots. Many Muslims begain accepting this save for other sects like Shia , sufi etc who continue to pratice Islam based off of Ideas and not authentic scripture.


Now . fast forward and we have khuaraij (extremist ) who have been around since the time of muhammad . in they're flawed ideology they believe they are acting in accordance with the Quran but they commit acts that violate the very foundation of the Quran and sunna.

They are like a parasite they attach them selfs to a particular school of thought such as abdul bin wahabs school of thought . then they innovate it with they're own ideology and CLAIM! To be wahabi /salafi. When in fact they are NOT.

This subject is very complicated . and unless you can read arabic to listen to the senior Scholars then it will be very hard for you to understand this .

A small percentage of Muslims hardly know this history.

But these ISIS , Al Qaeda , Taliban etc who make the claim of being salafi etc are NOT they are Khuaraij.

Salafiyyah does not teach extremism and violence etc nay its the oppset. It teaches love , honor, compassion, tolerance of all religion etc.

I am salafi and your ideas about salafiyyah are incorrect.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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I will confess that I am no expert on Islam.

However, we know that most people killed in Iraq was due to the on-going internecine brutality and violence between Sunni and Shia. The terrorism perpetrated by each group on each other is quite astonishing. Put aside the Islam denominational paff, and what you have is a history of Muslims killing Muslims.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 02:01 PM
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a reply to: Kapusta

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with all due respect

You're concocting a distortion( or you're teachers have done so and you're just repeating it) to cover up you're brothers in faith.

I don't and wont get in nay doctrinal religious debate

Its not what people want to hear

Well just stick to the facts of history





With all due respect you are quoting wiki ? I hardly skimmed the page and already i saw errors .

You see we have a saying " Don't follow scholars blindly "
You don't know me and yet you make such an accusation.?

Let me ask you how many years have you beed studying Islam ?

I have been studying Islam for many years and i currently major in Islamic fiqh ( islamic law ).

I have a pretty good understanding of what i am talking about .

The most accurate part of that wiki page in explaining the khuaraij was this.


3][4] The Kharijites developed extreme doctrines that further set them apart from both mainstream Sunni and Shiʿa Muslims. They were particularly noted for adopting a radical approach to Takfir.[citation needed]

A Khariji later assassinated Ali, and for hundreds of years the Khawarij were a source of insurrection against the Caliphate.[3] They survive today in small numbers in more moderate forms.[3]



They were the ones who were responsable for essentially solidifying the Shia / sunnie divide .



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 02:04 PM
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My friend, every school of thought in all religions claim purity and that their ideology is the real deal...

Salafism is no different. Religious dogma and rhetoric.


This reform in many peoples opinion was too extreme and is based on their subjective analysis and has brought great harm on the reputation of Islam to say the least.


The fact is Salafi is an extreme intolerant doctrine that has deluded so many of their followers that they have turned to unjust violence against Muslims and non Muslims, a grievous sin in the eyes of most people of religion.


Your Salafism has produced the Taliban, ISIS, and those many other groups who have taken upon themselves the actions of archangels and commit in the name of your sect... MURDER, Oppression, rape and all kind of crimes suitable for any Genghis Khan Type conquerors and medieval religious persecutors.


This has fouled the name of Islam more than anything in its history.


Allah will be the judge



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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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My friend, every school of thought in all religions claim purity and that their ideology is the real deal...

Salafism is no different. Religious dogma and rhetoric.


This reform in many peoples opinion was too extreme and is based on their subjective analysis and has brought great harm on the reputation of Islam to say the least.


The fact is Salafi is an extreme intolerant doctrine that has deluded so many of their followers that they have turned to unjust violence against Muslims and non Muslims, a grievous sin in the eyes of most people of religion.


Your Salafism has produced the Taliban, ISIS, and those many other groups who have taken upon themselves the actions of archangels and commit in the name of your sect... MURDER, Oppression, rape and all kind of crimes suitable for any Genghis Khan Type conquerors and medieval religious persecutors.


This has fouled the name of Islam more than anything in its history.


Allah will be the judge




This is a lie.

Have you done any research into to this particular school of thought ?

I just explained to you exactly what was going on . why do you choose to ignore my words?

Lets go back to the history .

Extremisim has been around since before abdule bin wahab . they ( khuaraij) have attached them selfs to particular schools of thoughts throughout history . it just so happens that in our time they have attached them selfs to the teachings of Abdule bin wahab and have taken. It upon them selfs to claim "salafi" when they are NOT.

do you understand?

Its like extremsit claiming to be Muslim when their actions take them outside the folds of Islam.

Same with these groups claiming to be salafi. They commit evil acts in the name of salafi and Islam . we we know by the actions that they are NOT.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:23 PM
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Just because you say or believe something doesn’t make it true.

All pre-modern religion has problems with modernity and this sect of Islam reinforces many of the primitive pre-modern modes of humanity that has to be evolved out of such as slavery, intolerance, and sectarianism.


If we were to accept all scripture as literal, as many kinds of fundamentalists like Salafis do, that’s how they justify primitive actions like slavery and rape

As well killing people for disbelief or having a doctrine that labels people in pejoratives like Kafirs if they don’t tow the dogma line


The bottom line is that all of these terrorists are Salafi

We can’t get around that



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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Just because you study it doesn't make you right.

I'm interested that you major in Islamic Law, you do understand, as an educated mind, that it is becoming ever more obvious there is no such thing as a god? I already understand that so don't waste my time trying to appease a sky pixie and focus on making my family and friends happy.

In any case there is no such thing as Islamic law, or there shouldn't be.

Why not study something useful to the earth instead of fictitious old books written about a monster with a sexual penchant for children?

Just to be clear, my point here is this is what I think about religion, if you believe in it, study it and live it, then you are going to say you are an expert and this is this and that is that, any man/woman telling me Jesus was the son of God and was resurrected is in my opinion, a bit mental, because it didn't happen,I see the world as it is, I live the now and try to make sure I will leave it a better place for my son and daughter.



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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 05:50 PM
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Just because Muhammad was not as divine (symbiotic/mutualistic towards all he encountered) as he should have been (who did not reach the awareness level other soul have before and after him) and the Quran is flawed doctrine who fall short and miss the mark (universal golden rule), do not mean there is not a "spiritual realm". Muhammad should have worked harder on the cravings of the self and the indulgence he allowed himself at cost to others. Now thru all time he is know as the hypocrite by action by those who are not brainwashed by idolizing him.

Religion is for those who cannot seek themselves. Awareness and hyper logic is for those who ascends into energetic body states. Do not take my word for it. Seek and you shall find. No faith or idol needed.
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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 06:04 PM
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Just look into the 'Fatwa Valley.'



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 06:06 PM
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Leading US Imam and Professor: Muslims Can Take Property of “Filthy” Christians and Jews (Video)




Hadhi says Christians are “shirk” and “evil” and Muslims can take their property.




In his sermon/lecture in the YouTube audio below, Qadhi begins by calling Christians “shirk” for being “polythesists” who believe in the Triune God (three persons in one God), instead of Islam’s “monotheist” god Allah.


This is the kind of repugnant ideology that leads to violence and hatred of other faiths.

We pretty well likely know what this guy is. Some kind of Wahhabi likely

He's a disgrace to true Islam



This ignorant fool distorts Islam and he is an enemy of Islam


Listen to this madman




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