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Doctor Who's Hybrid Could In Fact Possibly Be... SPOILERS!! SPOILERS!!

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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 06:59 PM
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I have been away from ATS for a long time, I know, but you know life... It keeps you busy, and then tired.

Beside, now most of the threads are about US politics and climate change, and I've said already enough in the past about my opinions on the matters.

BUT. There is one thing that does captivate me in the few of free time that I've got, and its called Doctor Who.

First, let me say how awesome the last five episodes have been, and how absolutely astonishing was the last three episodes.
Many have badly criticized the new style of Season 9, but I simply adore it, and I can't seriously find any flaw, or any better acting than what I've seen in the past few weeks (okay, I was slightly disappointed in the lack of focus on Gallifrey returning, but they had only 1 hour to close off Season 9, so I forgive them; anyway, just listening to the Doctor playing that bittersweet but beautiful song at the end make up for any flaws).

Secondly, we have all been toying with who is the infamous "Hybrid". So far, we've got three possibilities, two of which have been dismissed, and the last one made to believe that it was indeed the truth. Here they are, as a recap:

The Hybrid is a creature born from two warrior races, whom can either do great damage as an evil creature and bring up the defeat of Gallifrey, or can do great things as a good person.
The following possibilities have been brought forth:

#1: Maisie Williams's Me, born from Viking-Human parents, and genetically upgraded to with Maia DNA. Two warriors race. This possibility was almost immediately rejected, due to Me's lack of influence on both good and bad events.
#2: The Doctor himself: half Timelord and half human (possible explanation for his constant liking of Earth and humans. An extremely kind person, he can also be a very dangerous warrior. The most plausible explanation at first, since he is literally a one-man army, and could very well bring down Gallifrey (almost did it).
#3: Last possibility offered, and one which was not explicitly refuted or admitted. The Hybrid is in fact two persons, brought together by Missy (The Master for those who prefer the old title): The Doctor and Clara. Clara is so much like the Doctor, the latter grow to care so much about her that he is ready to shatter space and time to save her from her inevitable death, hence almost fulfilling the prediction that doom will result from the Hybrid.

So, the last possibility is the one the show leave upon, making it ambiguous whether it is the truth, or just another assumption.
Though I find it most plausible (next to the Doctor himself being the Hybrid), it does have one flaw: the prophecy clearly state that the Hybrid, if turned evil, wasn't going to bring down space and time, it was only going to bring down Gallifrey. There's a big difference.
Which brings me to my next theory as to who might in fact be the Hybrid.

Fact #1: the Doctor almost blew up Gallifrey. In fact, until the events during "The Day of the Doctor", he did. Then he went back in time to prevent the War Doctor from pushing the big red button. But what would have happened, had the Doctor died before that timey-wimey event? He would have, indirectly, brought down Gallifrey. So who almost killed him before "The Day of the Doctor"?

Rolling drums in expectations....

No one else than Gorgeous Blond Curly Hair/Doctor's Wife, Pr. River Song/Melody Pond:



No, but funny picture aside... guess what she is? An hybrid. Born Timelady because of the TARDIS radiation during Amy Pond's travelling while River was a foetus, altering the latter's DNA... and daughter of a Roman soldier (Rory Williams), Earth's greatest warrior race.
Raised exclusively to kill the Doctor, she almost succeed, before falling in love with him and healing him with her own regeneration energy. Had she not saved his life, he would have died, never went back in time to stop the War Doctor, and the latter would have destroyed Gallifrey. The Hybrid would have brought down Gallifrey, as predicted.

A possibility which would coincide with her return in the upcoming Christmas special...

Just suggesting...

Speaking of River returning, I hope they make that last dinner between her and the Doctor, before she goes to the Library and save the 10th Doctor's life. She did say that the 10th looked so young compared to her Doctor.... The 12th would be the complete opposite of young.
But also, the peak point where both know each other the most. With the 11th Doctor, she was still only beginning to know him while he knew everything about her, while the 10th didn't absolutely knew her, but she knew him full well. Which means there was a third version, older, but whom she now knew as much as she knew him. That points to the 12th Doctor being the one who last saw her, who gave her the screwdriver (would also match his unparalleled resolve to let no one he cared about die, resulting in him sending his younger self a hint to save River in the Library hardrive; so even if River isn't by his side, she is still "alive", a gesture that match perfectly the personality of the 12th more than the 11th), and in him being her Doctor.


That would be nice anyway.


So, what do you guys think? Is the Hybrid Clara and the Doctor, The Doctor alone (I'm positive its not Me), or could it in fact be River Song?




posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 07:35 PM
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a reply to: Yavanna
I'd go with possibility 3. The Doctor and Clara do act alike and some may argue that they behave as one unit. Plus, they are from two races (or species).



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 07:38 PM
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a reply to: Yavanna


I am actually convinced the Doctor himself is the Hybrid or actually perhaps' it is Davros, remember the trick by old Davros were he thought to steal the Time lord's regeneration energy by pretending remorse?.

There is another interpretation for him standing in the ruin's of Gallifrey, it could have already fallen or perhaps it is at that point he becomes the avenger of his people even more so than in the time war thus becoming a warrior whom will need a suitable nasty enemy, perhaps the Time Lord Dalek's some of whom may have survived his action or even all of them regenerated as the sewer Dalek's could have become a new and almost unstoppable army so causing the doctors plan to backfire dreadfully.

These new Dalek's may not appear human or Gallifreyan due to this regeneration energy and be reborn as a new race.

edit on 10-12-2015 by LABTECH767 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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They've said the Christmas episode takes place right after "The angels take Manhattan", that River doesn't recognize 12, she's not met him before.

I also wondered if it could be her, but I think the Doctor thinks it was him. Or him and Clara.
edit on 10-12-2015 by spartanwarrior because: Still getting use to the whole quote and reply function.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 09:14 PM
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originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Yavanna
I'd go with possibility 3. The Doctor and Clara do act alike and some may argue that they behave as one unit. Plus, they are from two races (or species).


Clara is dead, it can't be them together.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: spartanwarrior
*Spoilers*
He took her out in the last episode, just before she died. It showed her and Me in a TARDIS that's disguised as a diner.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 09:52 PM
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I got a brain baker of a spin here.

River is the True Hybrid, half Time Lord half Human. One of her parents was a Time lord in a pocket watch chameleon field.

The internet is abuzz with Rory being the Master in Disguise, I think not.

It is Amy.

Here is why.

Think back to the Twin Rivers hospital episode. The hospital for Bi-Hearted beings who have a disease that starts with killing one Heart. When under the influence of the pocket watch a Time Lord be it John Smith, or Professor Yana only had one heart beating. The Hospital claimed not Rory but Amy. Why. I do not think it's automated systems were messed up in any way shape or form. It Detected Amy had two hearts but only one of them was beating.

Now flash forward to the Angels take New York episode... Amy supposedly gets time locked in the past where the fashion sense is very similar to to what Missy Likes to wear.

Step backward a bit During the whole Amy and Rory thing the master was not seen, not even heard of.

At the start of the Amy cycle we find out "Prisoner Zero Has Escaped" not Prisoner One who would be the doctor, but Zero. It is assumed that the shape shifter was the thing to come out of the crack what if it did not, what if what came out of the crack was a Regenerated Time Lord, (forward to this last episode the General went from old man to young Nubian woman) What is to say the Master could not have regenerated when he threw himself at Rassalon. And who is to say that the Regeneration was not a cute harmless little girl... Oh yeah and we Know for a fact the Crack leads to Galifrey. Could not Prisoner Zero be the Master after all, He/she had to escape somehow.

Now come back forward, (Getting dizzy yet) what does Amy call the Doctor, other then Raggedy Man, Her best Friend. What does Missy want "Her friend Back"

Anyone ever notice in Amy and Rory's Bedroom on the Dresser is a very Familiar looking pocket watch...

Now you got River the Baby conceived in the Time stream with full regeneration ability and the works of a time lord, but human parents, the Explanation of Duh it was the Time vortex is just a little too pat. Now if the child was of a chameleon arced time lord and a human on the other hand...

Come forward to the Dark Water Episode of Doctor Who, where Missy Makes her grand entrance, the Doctor had a chance to scan the database of the Dead, he knew Amy was not there, or he would have asked to speak to her.

Come forward to the Start of this Last Season, Missy uses a gemstone to Ploink a Dialek in the sewer... what did she explain the diamond was, It was a gift from the Doctor to Missy's Daughter... Only one person would get a Rock like that from the Doctor, his true love River, that means one of River's Parents is the Master.

Now think Amy gets old and dies after Rory, but of course the chameleon arc would wear off right that second, Amy Regenerates into Missy, the Master or Mistress with all of Amy's Memories and the longing to have her friend back, Knowing he will need a companion she arranges things to bring Clara and the Doctor together remembering what had happened in the Asylum...

And Missy's Reactions seem disjointed she wants the Doctor's Friendship but she wants him all to herself, a driving need to eliminate any female she feels is a threat to her Dominance over her Friend... That is why Oswin had to Die, that is why she tried to get the doctor to kill Clara in the Dalak suit.

I have a feeling at this coming Christmas episode we will see the doctor give River the very Rock that Missy used to hole the tin can...

Chew on that while you have a


CoBaZ



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 12:08 AM
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I'll not lie. I have no clue what happened in those last episodes. I'm going to binge the whole season in a few weeks, most likely after the new year and that might give me some clues or info that I missed.

Was the Hybrid something new or was it spoken of in seasons past? Makes no difference but I'm curious.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 06:43 AM
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originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: spartanwarrior
*Spoilers*
He took her out in the last episode, just before she died. It showed her and Me in a TARDIS that's disguised as a diner.


Yes but he doesn't know her. So it isn't the two of them together. He erased her somewhat from his memory.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 06:51 AM
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The Crack in Amy's wall didn't lead to Gallifrey. It lead to the Atraxi prison, didn't it?

That is an amazing theory but I just can't picture Amy or Rory as the Master, or Missy.

CoBaZ



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 11:44 AM
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a reply to: spartanwarrior

We learned on Trenzalore that the crack was galifrey asking if they can come back... That is how the doctor got his new regeneration cycle.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 01:19 PM
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a reply to: Yavanna

Nice post!

Never thought of it, I think you're right about River!



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: Yavanna

Nice theory indeed! You might very well be right!

Most thought-provoking indeed! S&F for sharing



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 08:25 PM
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originally posted by: LABTECH767
a reply to: Yavanna


I am actually convinced the Doctor himself is the Hybrid or actually perhaps' it is Davros, remember the trick by old Davros were he thought to steal the Time lord's regeneration energy by pretending remorse?.


That's actually a very good suggestion... I didn't thought about Davros and the new Dalek/Timelords Daleks...

You may have something here. All my best wish for your suggestion to be the real one.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: spartanwarrior

No, she doesn't recognize his face, but nothing stop her from knowing its just the 11th older after a few conversations, which means she still know him at his fullest, as he knows her at her fullest.

I at least hope I'm not wrong, and he is "her" Doctor. It would finally close her timeline (even if I wish she could have visited more often; I really like her.
).



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: CoBaZ

Wow... I gotta give you a whole bunch of stars for that one...
I'll have to check again the episodes with Amy and Rory, because I don't remember the pocket watch, but I take your word for it (we Whovian always get the details right, don't we?
), and that would be a very interesting idea. Even very plausible. That is true that Missy said that she had a daughter, and I always wondered who it could possibly be...

I think you may also have something going on there.
however, Prisoner Zero was the lady with her two girls, with their snake fangs (does remind you of Eric Roberts' Master in the 1996 movie, though, doesn't it?), and the big eye police guys beamed it up, while Amy stayed by the Doctor's side.
But nothing stopped the Master from "infecting" an innocent person...

That is very thought-provoking (and would still mean that River is THE Hybrid indeed), and I'm really liking this one.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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a reply to: TheSpanishArcher

The first mention of the Hybrid appear at the very first episode of the 9th season (the one with Davros). Davros mention it, and it is mentioned several time during the entire season.

If you wish (by U2U, so I don't give any spoilers here), it would be my pleasure to give you a resume of what happened during the last episodes.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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originally posted by: spartanwarrior

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: spartanwarrior
*Spoilers*
He took her out in the last episode, just before she died. It showed her and Me in a TARDIS that's disguised as a diner.


Yes but he doesn't know her. So it isn't the two of them together. He erased her somewhat from his memory.


Not before he almost destroyed space and time to save her. In a way he fulfilled the prophecy, which was that the Hybrid could, if turned bad, possibly bring destruction. They both technically still counts as a possibility.



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 09:01 PM
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originally posted by: Yavanna
a reply to: CoBaZ

Wow... I gotta give you a whole bunch of stars for that one...
I'll have to check again the episodes with Amy and Rory, because I don't remember the pocket watch, but I take your word for it (we Whovian always get the details right, don't we?
),


Think it was seen as a desk prop in the may Pond life episode, the one the doctor barges in on rory and amy in their bedroom.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 02:49 AM
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I noticed the doctor was born in a stable just like jusus and is trying to save earth just like Jesus

One can only wonder at what they are getting at in the script with the hybrid

Maybe they were watching a old movie called enemy mine



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