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100,000 troops, including Americans to be deployed in W.Iraq

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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:10 PM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit


But as I have made clear several times since the war on terror began, getting rid of fanatical organisations with an origin in guerrilla warfare, will NEVER be achieved with massed troop mobilisations. The ONLY way IS will ever be wiped out, is with coordinated operations, operations so black, so invisible to the public, and those on the ground, that no one knows what has happened, until the dead are passed from this world, and the organisation gutted. Silenced pistols, knives, and sabotage, as well as assassination by sniper. These are the tools which will work, and tanks, planes, bombs, artillery, masses of troops... They will not. The scalpel must be used, because the hammer already failed.

There is no sense to any of this, and it is deeply suspicious.


Towns can be liberated, security maintained and malefactors flushed out by conventional troops.

It's easier for the snipers to work afterwards when the enemy is not well supplied, uncoordinated and running.
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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:14 PM
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originally posted by: sosobad
I'm confused I thought that the US spent 500 million training those 5 guys to fight ISIS. When are they gonna start pulling their weight??
Goddamn joke.


Ashton Carter dont even know how many rebels they did Train. If he knew he would not say 4 or 5 individual. It is all a scam.

The 500 million were spend on weapons to ISIL.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:15 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr


The politician said the plan was announced to the Iraqi government during a visit by US Senator John McCain.

That creep is going to get us all killed.



You do realize that Obama is the president. Not McCain.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:17 PM
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originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: sosobad
I'm confused I thought that the US spent 500 million training those 5 guys to fight ISIS. When are they gonna start pulling their weight??
Goddamn joke.


Ashton Carter dont even know how many rebels they did Train. If he knew he would not say 4 or 5 individual. It is all a scam.

The 500 million were spend on weapons to ISIL.


The budget was to train 5000 rebels. The first 54 trained faced capture or death. 4 or 5 remain. There are still above 100 in training.
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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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a reply to: sosobad
5 guys against Isis, was never going to work, you can see why the rest the US trained up rebels defected with all their new weapons. They knew it was a fools errand. The U.K. Wants to follow the same policy with 70,000 "moderate " rebels". That we don't know even exist.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:26 PM
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a reply to: spy66

Your evidence to support this?

You guys need to think on your own instead of repeating the Kremlin propaganda. You are so desperate to blame the US that you ignore the various, and conflicting, narratives Russia gives.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:41 PM
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originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: intrptr


The politician said the plan was announced to the Iraqi government during a visit by US Senator John McCain.

That creep is going to get us all killed.



You do realize that Obama is the president. Not McCain.

Both are puppets. McCains still fighting the Vietnam war, now getting a chance to get back at the Russians. Obama is just flash, a lover of the limelight and hi class society functions.
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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Yet only Obama can give orders to the military where as McCain can't I think is the point.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:49 PM
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a reply to: FlySolo

That's just the thing though. There are plenty of scalpels, but the surgeons around here are all suffering with rabies at the moment.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:53 PM
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a reply to: mbkennel

Who gives a God damn about easy?

Easy creates terrorism instead of solving it. Easy allows international partners to get away with funding terrorism, and even allows ones own nation to have a direct hand in creating it. Easy bails out banks, brushes corruption under the carpet and gets into bed with the enemies of freedom and liberty on a daily basis, while bad mouthing them to the press every day.

Easy can jump off the pier in a force nine storm for all I care. The fact is that going in big and loud will create a problem down the line which will require a solution, once again. Cutting out the cancer and only the cancer from the patient however, using the scalpel, will solve the problem once, and solve it properly, if coupled with the correct state level "adjustments".



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:55 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: intrptr

Yet only Obama can give orders to the military where as McCain can't I think is the point.

Obama couldn't close Guantanamo, or exit Afghanistan.

McCain is over there face to face because they don't want any record of what he is saying to exist. Thats why they all, Kerry, Nuland, McCain and Hillary fly around the world, all the time. To meet in secret, and make secret deals.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:09 PM
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originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: lspilot6946

ISIS (ISIL, IS) is winning, is growing, is advancing. They are not being contained. They are not being defeated.

The US efforts in bombing hospitals and weddings hasn't succeeded in defeating them. I wonder if the 100K will be required to win hearts and minds and combat global warming as well.


100,000 ground troops must have been what Obama was referring to when he was talking about winning the war on global warming.

It all makes sense now.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:18 PM
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Obama couldn't close Guantanamo, or exit Afghanistan.


That was his way of getting elected...he never planned on closing it, and as for Afghanistan he was bound by an agreement from George Bush and Hamid Karzai...


Afghan president Hamid Karzai and U.S. president George W. Bush issue a joint declaration (PDF) that pronounces their respective countries strategic partners. The declaration gives U.S. forces access to Afghan military facilities to prosecute "the war against international terror and the struggle against violent extremism." The alliance's goal, the agreement says, is to "strengthen U.S.-Afghan ties and help ensure Afghanistan's long-term security, democracy, and prosperity." Moreover, the agreement calls for Washington to "help organize, train, equip, and sustain Afghan security forces as Afghanistan develops the capacity to undertake this responsibility," and to continue to rebuild the country's economy and political democracy.


www.cfr.org...

And since we have a war on terror happening...Afghanistan is one of the forefront countries in that war.


New U.S. president Barack Obama announces plans to send seventeen thousand more troops to the war zone. Obama reaffirms campaign statements that Afghanistan is the more important U.S. front against terrorist forces. He says the United States will stick to a timetable to draw down most combat forces from Iraq by the end of 2011. As of January 2009 the Pentagon has thirty-seven thousand troops in Afghanistan, roughly divided between U.S. and NATO commands. Reinforcements focus on countering a "resurgent" Taliban and stemming the flow of foreign fighters over the Afghan-Pakistan border in the south. Speaking on the troop increase, Secretary of Defense Robert Gates describes the original mission in Afghanistan as "too broad" and calls for establishing limited goals such as preventing and limiting terrorist safe havens.


www.cfr.org...

And I don't care for Obama, but sometimes there is a reason for his madness.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Yet only Obama can issue orders to the military where as McCain can't so its irrelevant how many names you try to drop while desperately hoping to change the conversation.

The article is propaganda and nothing more. You proved that by claiming they sent McCain because they don't want a record of what was said. A convenient strawman argument....
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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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McCain is over there face to face because they don't want any record of what he is saying to exist.


It doesn't matter what he says...nobody cares about what he says or does.

He is only still in the government because the retired constituents from Arizona keep electing him.



Thats why they all, Kerry, Nuland, McCain and Hillary fly around the world, all the time.


And what makes them any different than any administration before them, as they all did the same...you only know more about them doing it thanks to the internet.



To meet in secret, and make secret deals.



Again what makes them different than any administration before them...nothing, so why do you think this is something special?



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:34 PM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

There is one way it'll work, though a whole host of problems would result from the "success".

Total, and complete, annihilation within the region. Every man, every woman, every child. Salt the Earth where they're buried. On the premise that "nits make lice".

"Nits make lice"--a fella named John Milton Chivington said that--right before the Sand Creek Massacre. One of the darker moments of the western expansion...which is saying something, considering how many dark moments there were.

Course killing millions of innocents may not appeal to some...but, hey, it may be necessary to destroy ourselves in order to protect ourselves... Let's become what we fear, in order to protect ourselves.

...

On second thought...?

Let's try it your way.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:42 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: intrptr

Yet only Obama can issue orders to the military where as McCain can't so its irrelevant how many names you try to drop while desperately hoping to change the conversation.

The article is propaganda and nothing more. You proved that by claiming they sent McCain because they don't want a record of what was said. A convenient strawman argument....


Repost:

The Guardian reported on this back in November:
John McCain and Lindsey Graham call for 20,000 troops in Syria and Iraq


McCain, chairman of the Senate armed services committee and Graham told reporters during a visit to Baghdad that US personnel could provide logistical and intelligence support to a proposed 100,000-strong force from Sunni Arab countries like Egypt, Turkey and Saudi Arabia. Graham said special forces would also be included.


The oil economy left behind by Saddam Hussain went in the hands of ISIS and the imperials want their reward back!
I am surprised how everyone wants to get into Iraq now. It is unfortunate that Iraq time and again finds itself in a situation similar to gang-rape.
More on this in my first post.
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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:49 PM
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a reply to: lspilot6946




100,000 troops to be deployed to Iraq


Interesting, but now how did RT know what was said were they there?

I know they are using a Facebook comment, but I have to wonder why with this being such big news why wouldn't it be on her personal website also...something seems a bit off here.

www.drhananalfatlawi.com...

I also have to wonder why if John McCain said this was a done deal, then why did he say this in a statement regarding their meeting.


Washington, D.C. ­– U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) released the following statement on his meeting today with Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi:

“Today, I had a productive meeting with Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. I am grateful for his steady leadership at a perilous time for his country. We discussed a range of issues related to our common fight against Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), including the role and conduct of Iranian-backed militias inside Iraq, political inclusion of Iraq's Sunni population, and the progress and development of Iraqi Security Forces into an integrated multi-sectarian organization. As I discussed with Prime Minister Abadi, in order to defeat ISIL, I believe the United States should provide further military assistance to Iraq and deploy additional U.S. personnel, including forward air controllers to strengthen our air campaign.”


www.mccain.senate.gov...

Seems to contradict this from your source...


The US is to send some 10,000 troops to Iraq to provide support for a 90,000-strong force from the Gulf states, a leading Iraqi opposition MP has warned. The politician said the plan was announced to the Iraqi government during a visit by US Senator John McCain.
During a meeting in Baghdad on November 27, McCain told Prime Minister Haider Abadi and a number of senior Iraqi cabinet and military officials that the decision was ‘non-negotiable’, claimed Hanan Fatlawi, the head of the opposition Irada Movement.


www.rt.com...

It looks as though she wasn't actually at the meeting, but was given what was supposedly said to her...so it seems it may be a bit of political moving since she is the opposition party, and may not even be true.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:52 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: TheBulk

originally posted by: intrptr


The politician said the plan was announced to the Iraqi government during a visit by US Senator John McCain.

That creep is going to get us all killed.



You do realize that Obama is the president. Not McCain.

Both are puppets. McCains still fighting the Vietnam war, now getting a chance to get back at the Russians. Obama is just flash, a lover of the limelight and hi class society functions.


Sounds more like an excuse to avoid putting Obama's name on anything. Back in the day it was, Bush this and Bush that. Now it seems nothing is ever Obama's fault. None of his policies have any negative effects!



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:57 PM
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John McCain and Lindsey Graham call for 20,000 troops in Syria and Iraq


Neither a congressman, or a senator have the power to commit troops to anywhere, and calling for them means nothing unless the president makes it happen.

And that hasn't happened, but they are doing this...


U.S. Military Will Deploy Special Troops To Fight ISIS In Iraq
The force could total up to a couple hundred troops.


www.huffingtonpost.com...

You won't see that many Americans in Iraq as the Iraqi government doesn't think they need them.




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