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Two papers Claim Super Earth sized planets in the Outer Solar System at 300 AU.

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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 10:36 PM
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First, the links to the two papers:
Paper1
Paper2

Two discovery claims for planets or brown dwarfs at the outer edges of the solar system. However, on twitter, a lot of contradictory opinions are being formed by various scientific commentators.

The ALMA discovery sounds like a Ceres+ sized object at the inner edge of the Kuiper belt, said one observer, while another said it could possibly be a Super Earth or A Brown Dwarf... however, The WISE scan reduces the chance of this find being a brown dwarf, said another.

There is a lot of excitement, and debate happening right now on open platform like twitter, I wonder what discussions must be happening behind closed doors?

So, read the papers (pdf downloads from above links) and draw your own conclusions, because this looks like another 'find' that will soon be scientifically dismissed and brushed aside in the quest of the so called Planet X.



edit on 9-12-2015 by UnknownEntity because: Autocorrect corrected!




posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 10:41 PM
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Move over planet X make room for planet Y (and Z?)



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 11:05 PM
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a reply to: UnknownEntity

You know, u tube aside, there be a lot of reports, sightings
and amattuer as well as professional observations that
suggest there may be something going on. i call for tolerance
at least from ATS skeptics. It's no wonder commoners get
swayed or confused.

Why not SnF
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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 11:32 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: UnknownEntity

You know, u tube aside, there be a lot of reports, sightings
and amattuer as well as professional observations that
suggest there may be something going on. i call for tolerance
at least from ATS skeptics. It's no wonder commoners get
swayed or confused.

Why not SnF


This class of research, especially using the Atacama Large Array, is way out of the league of amateurs and most professional astronomers. This is bleeding edge tech, and it is currently making unprecedented discoveries in star birth measurements. In fact, in both of the discoveries, they latched on to the anomalies somewhat by accident, as they were researching star birth.

Nice post OP, interesting stuff indeed.

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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: UnknownEntity

You know, u tube aside, there be a lot of reports, sightings
and amattuer as well as professional observations that
suggest there may be something going on.

Reports, sightings, and observations of what? Not these objects (or any others in the dark, outer recesses of our solar system).

i call for tolerance
at least from ATS skeptics.

Tolerance in regard to what? Planet X nonsense?



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 11:54 PM
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Very interesting conclusions from both the papers:

1) A new submm source within a few arcseconds of α Centauri
ALMA discovers the most distant object of the solar system
R. Liseau1
, W. Vlemmings1
, E. O’Gorman1
, E. Bertone2
, M. Chavez2
, and V. De la Luz3
1 Department of Earth and Space Sciences, Chalmers University of Technology, Onsala Space Observatory, SE-439 92 Onsala,
Sweden, e-mail: rene.liseau@chalmers.se
2
Instituto Nacional de Astrofísica, Óptica y Electrónica (INAOE), Luis Enrique Erro 1, Sta. María Tonantzintla, Puebla, Mexico,
3 CONACYT Research Fellow, SCiESMEX, Instituto de Geofisica, Unidad Michoacan, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico,
Morelia, Michoacan, Mexico. CP 58190

Conclusions:
Within ten months between 2014 and 2015, ALMA imaging ob-
servations revealed a new source in two of the bands, at 0.74 mm
(Band 8) and 0.87 mm (Band 7) respectively, whereas the noise
was too high in the other bands. Staying within 500
· 5 of both
αCen A and B, this object essentially shared the high proper
motion of αCen. With a spectral slope of 2, its submm-SED
appears thermal. However, simple arguments convince us that
this object cannot be an ordinary star. We argue that the object is
most likely part of the solar system, in prograde motion, albeit at
a distance too far to be detectable at other wavelengths, viz. an
ETNO ( 100 AU), a hypothesized Super-Earth (∼ 300 AU) or
a super-cool brown dwarf (∼ 20 000 AU).
Acknowledgements. Our thanks go to the members of the Nordic ARC node4
and to the ALMA staff for their assistance with the observations. We en-
joyed interesting discussions with R. Cumming, K. Justtanont, K.K. Knudsen,
M. Olberg and T. Lunttila. This paper makes use of the following ALMA data:
ADS/JAO.ALMA#2013.1.00170.S. ALMA is a partnership of ESO (represent-
ing its member states), NSF (USA), and NINS (Japan), together with NRC
(Canada) and NSC and ASIAA (Taiwan), in cooperation with the Republic
of Chile. The Joint ALMA Observatory is operated by ESO, AUI/NRAO, and
NAOJ.

2) The serendipitous discovery of a possible new solar system object
with ALMA
W. H. T. Vlemmings1,⋆, S. Ramstedt2
, M. Maercker1
, B. Davidsson2
1 Department of Earth and Space Sciences, Chalmers University of Technology, Onsala Space Observatory, 439 92 Onsala, Sweden
2 Department of Physics and Astronomy, Uppsala University, Box 516, 751 20, Uppsala, Sweden

Conclusions:
Based on our three epochs of ALMA observations around
345 GHz we conclude that:
– Continuum observations robustly detected point-like emis-
sion at the level ∼ 3 mJy at different positions in two epochs
separated by 25 days. Unless an unknown systematic effect
in ALMA observations can routinely produce > 5.8σ detec-
tions, we confirm the detections as real. In the unlikely case
that the effect is spurious, our observations highlight the very
strong need for multiple epochs of ALMA observations to
confirm new source detections.
– The consistency of the flux and the negligible probability
of having identified two independent highly variable back-
ground sources, leads us to conclude the two detections are
the same source, here dubbed Gna. The source was no longer
visible at the third epoch another 42 days later.
– Based on the motion of almost 6′′ between the two epochs,
we can rule out a source beyond ∼ 0.3 pc. Assuming Gna is
not strongly variably, the lack of detection in the third epoch
confines it to within ∼ 4000 AU. Only if it is variable by
more than a factor of ∼ 5, could Gna be a large planetary
body or brown dwarf beyond that distance in the outer solar
system.
– The observations can not rule out an gravitationally unbound
large solar system object within ∼ 4000 AU. The detection at
only two of the three epochs and the flux would be consistent
with Neptune at ∼ 2500 AU.
– Assuming it is gravitationally bound, the most likely expla-
nation is that Gna belongs to the small group of large ret-
rograde Centaurs or trans neptunian objects. In that case
Gna is currently at ∼ 12 − 25 AU, and has a size between
220 − 880 km.
Acknowledgements. This paper makes use of the following ALMA data:
ADS/JAO.ALMA#2012.1.00524.S and ADS/JAO.ALMA#2012.A.00041.S.
ALMA is a partnership of ESO (representing its member states), NSF (USA)
and NINS (Japan), together with NRC (Canada) and NSC and ASIAA (Taiwan)
and KASI (Republic of Korea), in cooperation with the Republic of Chile. The
Joint ALMA Observatory is operated by ESO, AUI/NRAO and NAOJ. WV
acknowledges support from VR, a Marie Curie Career Integration Grant 321691,
and the ERC consolidator grant 614264. M.M. has received funding from the
People Programme (Marie Curie Actions) of the EU’s FP7 (FP7/2007-2013)
under REA grant agreement No. 623898.11. We also thank Prof. Spahr from the
Minor Planet Center for helpful discussion and the JAO and ESO ARC staff for
promptly scheduling the DDT observations.
.........


It is interesting to note how quickly the scientific community is discrediting these two papers on twitter.
Although both papers have been published by reputed scientists under international collaboration.
Something is surly wrong here, is it possible these two papers have just touched a raw nerve?



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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Even though I work in science, I can't read scientific papers. I just can't. They are so, so boring. Unless they're about paleontology or zoology. Otherwise, my mind just.... dies. Don't get me wrong, I love hearing about new discoveries, but reading the technical jargon and staring at goddamn graphs oh god I can't even talk about it without wanting to defect to North Korea.

So I'm afraid I can't really critique these papers without shooting myself in the face to put myself out of my misery.

New planets are being discovered all the time. These are dwarf planets, and we already know there are more of these bitches than just Pluto. As for why these papers are attracting criticism, well, are they? You gotta remember, that scientists aren't infallible. Maybe their methods were flawed.

There can be a lot of reasons to react negatively to a scientific paper. I just wanted to say, whatever you do, please don't take it as a supposed cover-up of that stupid goddamn idiotic concept of Nibiru.

In regards to Nibiru - it was made up by a crazy woman called Nancy Lieder, who not only falsely predicted that the world would end in 2003, but actually told people to kill their pets in order to conserve food for the apocalypse that never happened. I could go on at great length about how stupid this woman is, and how the idea of Nibiru makes no sense whatsoever - it would have to seriously distort the laws of physics, in a big way. Like, abolishing gravity kind of distortion.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 12:51 AM
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a reply to: UnknownEntity




It is interesting to note how quickly the scientific community is discrediting these two papers on twitter.
Although both papers have been published by reputed scientists under international collaboration.
Something is surly wrong here, is it possible these two papers have just touched a raw nerve?



It's probably tool envy. They all wish they could task that array with their own research.....hey.. who is that in my seat?


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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 12:57 AM
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a reply to: AdmireTheDistance




Tolerance in regard to what? Planet X nonsense?


In regard to those less educated in astronomy? Why not show some
tolerance and understanding. And try to teach them of the errors
that cause them to buy into such nonsense as planet x and nibiru.
And all that is u tube and other sites. Or do you just get off on labelling
as many people as you can with ad hominem?



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 01:01 AM
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a reply to: charlyv




This class of research, especially using the Atacama Large Array, is way out of the league of amateurs and most professional astronomers. This is bleeding edge tech, and it is currently making unprecedented discoveries in star birth measurements. In fact, in both of the discoveries, they latched on to the anomalies somewhat by accident, as they were researching star birth.



Now that's what I'm talk'n about right there. Thank you very much Char!



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 01:13 AM
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a reply to: DeepThoughtCriminal

I thought it was that equally crazy Zecharia Sitchin that first put forward the Planet X theory. Not that it matters, its all bunk.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 01:43 AM
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We are all babies that have but just opened eyes relative to what has gone on in our own neighborhood, let alone in the rest of the universe. It only makes sense that there will be compounded surprises awaiting us all.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 01:56 AM
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a reply to: lifecitizen

Just looked it up - apparently it was Lieder who proposed the existence of Nibiru, but she was influenced by Sitchin's thoroughly discredited and disreputable theories regarding "ancient astronauts" and Sumerian cultural traditions.

That's the thing with pseudoscience - it might seem harmless on the surface, but when it starts to attract a good number of believers, it can start to alter people's knowledge on things like history and science. Like with homeopathy; homeopathy seems ostensibly harmless, but it has actually lead to the deaths of babies and people suffering from serious diseases when they eschew clinical medicine in favour of what is really just water. Sadly, it does happen from time to time that people will put all their faith in homeopathy, or some such "alternative" medicine, and end up paying with their lives. The placebo effect can be powerful indeed, but it's not a panacea.

Granted, believing in Nibiru won't kill you (although I wasn't joking when I said that Lieder convinced some people to kill their pets, and killed her own healthy young dog in her wildly mistaken beliefs), but when it's presented in a well written article, people are more likely to take it as fact, and thereby spread ignorance. When ignorance leads to things like children falling dangerously ill due to being unvaccinated, or rejection of established scientific principles, it can be seriously detrimental to society.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 02:52 AM
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While reading this, I all of a sudden thought, a brown dwarf flying around in the Kuiper belt, would be a good reason why we have so many comets and asteroids flying around in our solar system.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 03:31 AM
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If you look at this information from an astronomy perspective its exciting, fascinating and intriguing however, if you look at it from the religious control aspect its not funny because that information, often driven virtually underground that sits on tablets most can't read in collections and museums, but whose alternative (and more original and scientific accounts about our origins) is out in the public area due to various books published - although utterly ridiculed by our so-called selected 'experts'.

One only has to look at the way information gets trashed by the media to see that the official line is the only one those in control want and no other ideas, especially about extra planets etc. One only has to realise how strong censorship and ridicule is rammed down people''s throats within both the scientific and historical scholarship worlds to know that things are not all they seem - or some people would have them seen.

This technology sounds amazing, I look forward to hearing more about what ALMA discovers.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 06:57 AM
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Another failed star



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 07:26 AM
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Yay! Its part of the Solar System!!



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 07:45 AM
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originally posted by: rajas
Another failed star


America's Got Talent? ...oh. NM.



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: DeepThoughtCriminal

so as a scientist why be evasive and drag Nibiru into the discussion yourself? Whats your game? The op never mentioned Nibiru



edit on 10-12-2015 by TheConstruKctionofLight because: grammar



posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 08:20 AM
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a reply to: DeepThoughtCriminal

homeopathy has what exactly to do with this thread.
Are you suggesting vaccines never killed or injured anybody? Before you attack others you might like to keep yourself to that high standard that you expect of others



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