Muslims Fail to Prove Islam is a Religion of Peace in Debate

In this video recorded debate the question was "Is Islam a Religion of Peace. Many of the audience had agreed with this opening statement but most had changed their vote by the end of the debate. If you don't have an hour and 40 minutes to watch this fully I suggest you flag this post, bookmark the video and return to it when you can bring in an opinion qualified with the actual experience of having listened to this debate. Any responses that are time stamped at less than the time required to review this video I will not respond to and you will be ignored throughout the thread by me at least. I am not looking to instigate anything other than a discussion about this debate, the views expressed, and relevant discussion or critique. There are plenty of threads where anyone can bloviate or pontificate all they like but this thread should be centered on the issues of this video debate. Thanks for viewing and I hope relevant discussion.

The internet and fast acces to information has ruined me. An hour and forty minutes??? Ok, I'll try as I'm interested in this very subject.

a reply to: machineintelligence

Perhaps you can provide some transcript of the video for some of us unfortunate folks *Internet bandwidth-wise* to at least have something more constructive to add.

Edit:

This was what I managed to get of the video details sections.

Zeba Khan and Maajid Nawaz debate against Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray to try and prove that Islam is a religion of peace. Spoiler alert: they fail miserably, and that''s not just my bias, that's how the audience actually felt. The only thing Zeba and Maajid proved was that they wish and hope that Islam will become a religion of peace.

Note: The only parts cut from the debate were the long introduction before the moderator first starts speaking and instances where the moderator repeated the name of the debate and all the debaters, which he did several times. You will see a cut at about 52 minutes in where Maajid is just finishing a sentence. Nothing that he said was cut. After he says "camp" the video cut to the audience and the moderator started announcing the debate information again.

Otherwise, even the questions and answers have been left in at the end.

I would really like to know the "punch line" that turned the debate in favor of Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray against Islam being a religion of Peace? OP are you able to at least provide a transcript on this bit only since already watched the full video?

Thanks

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012
a reply to: machineintelligence

Perhaps you can provide some transcript of the video for some of us unfortunate folks *Internet bandwidth-wise* to at least have something more constructive to add.

I'll second that, reading is far preferred over watching tv any day!

a reply to: InnerPeace2012

I attempted to find such a transcript before posting this thread. If you find one where I have failed in my google-fu-do please include it in the thread.

a reply to: machineintelligence

To be fair, no religion could really prove that ... Christianity a religion of peace? look at it's history ... nonsense .. so much death and destruction in it's name ..

Religion IS the issue .. Buddhism may be one exception but I can't even say that with certainty ... I'm non religious ..

I haven't seen this debate yet, but if it's anything like the debate about if the Catholic Church is a Source of Good (which it clearly is not), then this one should be very interesting! I'll have to watch it in a bit. Thanks for the link!

In case your interested, here's the catholic church debate too

Islam and war

yup

real peaceful bunch



Islam - 270 Million people killed in 1400 Years

originally posted by: xuenchen
Islam and war

yup

real peaceful bunch

Islam - 270 Million people killed in 1400 Years

Murder rate: White America, like most Christian countries in the Americas, Africa and Eastern Europe, is markedly more violent than most of the Middle East (murders per 100,000 population):

0.6 Bahrain
0.7 Oman
0.8 United Arab Emirates
0.9 Qatar
1.0 Saudi Arabia
1.2 Egypt
1.7 Cyprus
1.8 Jordan
2.0 Iraq
2.1 Israel
2.2 Kuwait
2.2 Lebanon
2.3 Syria
3.0 Iran
3.3 Turkey
3.4 WHITE AMERICA
4.1 Palestine
4.2 Yemen
Terrorist attacks: According to the FBI, only 6% of the terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1980 and 2005 were carried out by Muslim extremists. Even Jewish extremists carried out more (7%).

War: Wars with at least a million dead:

Christian wars:

years: name: conservative body count in millions
535-554: Gothic Wars: 5.0m
790-1300: Reconquista: 7.0m
1096-1272: Crusades: 2.0m
1337-1453: Hundred Years’ War: 3.0m
1562-1598: French Wars of Religion: 3.0m
1568-1648: Dutch Revolt: 1.0m
1618-1648: Thirty Years’ War: 3.0m
1655-1660: Second Northern War: 3.0m
1763-1864: Russian-Circassian War: 2.0m
1792-1802: French Revolutionary Wars: 2.0m
1803-1815: Napoleonic Wars: 3.5m
1830-1903: War in Venezuela: 1.0m
1882-1898: Conquests of Menelik II of Ethiopia: 5.0m
1910-1920: Mexican Revolution: 1.0m
1914-1918: First World War: 20.0m
1917-1922: Russian Civil War: 5.0m
1939-1945: Second World War: 41.5m (European deaths only)
1946-1954: First Indochina War: 1.0m
1950-1953: Korean War: 1.2m
1955-1975: Vietnam War: 1.1m
1998-2003: Second Congo War: 2.5m
Muslim wars:

1370-1405: Conquests of Tamerlane: 7.0m
1681-1707: Conquests of Aurangzeb: 5.0m
1967-1970: Nigerian Civil War: 1.0m
1980-1988: Iran-Iraq War: 1.0m
1983-2005: Second Sudanese Civil War: 1.0m
1989-2001: Afghan Civil War: 1.4m

Seven times more people have died in Christian wars: 113.8 million compared to the 16.4 million who died in Muslim wars.

a reply to: machineintelligence

Original Video with original heading:

Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray - Is Islam is a Religion of Peace? [2010]

a reply to: machineintelligence

Before the haters hate..

I don't sympathize with any side... I'm not religious and I think war is stupid... just throwing up some facts... deal with it

We have to admit our past has been horrible.. we were NOT peaceful, we were violent.. we took over swaths of land and we forced many to convert or die .. that was the crusades ... we DID that ...

a reply to: miniatus

lol WHITE AMERICA...WW1 and 2 Christian wars? methinks you are confused, those weren't crusaders, they were medics

originally posted by: InnerPeace2012
Perhaps you can provide some transcript of the video for some of us unfortunate folks

Check the PDF here ...

I believe that is the transcript although I am not 100% sure...

a reply to: mekhanics

Thanks for posting an earlier version. About the verbiage in the OP I was simply trying make the haters and the jerky knees uninvited and let everyone know I am not here to give them any of my valuable time. Thanks again for your addition to the OP.

originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
a reply to: miniatus

lol WHITE AMERICA...WW1 and 2 Christian wars? methinks you are confused

Where did you decide to limit this to WW1 or WW2?? ... are you that limited? You do know the history of this right?

a reply to: miniatus

what are you blabbing about clearly nothing coherent. i wanted to know how you classify ww1 and ww2 as christian wars.

a reply to: miniatus



terrible rebuttal

nice try though

a reply to: miniatus

Why do atheists always start a debate about Christianity when its not even the topic?

originally posted by: DrakeINFERNO
a reply to: miniatus

what are you blabbing about clearly nothing coherent. i wanted to know how you classify ww1 and ww2 as christian wars.

Christians involved in wars.. I never said they were Christian specific wars.... but clearly WW1 and WW2 are religion based.. are you not familiar with it? .. you can look it up my friend.

Being rude isn't good for you.. respect is the best thing on ATS

originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: miniatus

Why do atheists always start a debate about Christianity when its not even the topic?

Good question, I'm not an Atheist ..