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Large quantity of cellphones bought raises red flags, Lebanon police notify the FBI

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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 12:13 AM
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originally posted by: charlyv
a reply to: visitedbythem




..filling a waterbed mattress with a mixture of flamible gas such as Acetyline and oxygen,...
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If you tried to mix acetylene or propane with oxygen in a container... boom ! , no spark needed.
Oxygen only mixes with the fuel in the torch head.

I weld and have been on this planet almost 60 years, and havnt seen that. Maybe Ill try it tomorrow. Cant start a fire, cant start a fire without a spark, this guns for hire, even if were just dancing in the dark




posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 12:22 AM
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a reply to: TXRabbit
That sounds like a very viable explanation.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 12:30 AM
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a reply to: Atsbhct

still trying to read the other 4 pages however i will be sure to steer clear of costco.. like i ever went there in the first place, damn them and wanting a card? bastards


(post by malevolent removed for a serious terms and conditions violation)

posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 01:15 AM
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a reply to: charlyv



If you tried to mix acetylene or propane with oxygen in a container... boom ! , no spark needed. Oxygen only mixes with the fuel in the torch head.


not true, if it is it's only at a certain percentage, here's proof notice the balloon is filled with a mixture of acetylene and oxygen no explosion until he ignites it. also notice he doesn't give the percentage rate.



edit on 12-12-2015 by hounddoghowlie because: (no reason given)


ETA: acetylene is very unstable and when compressed is never under high pressure. when it is, it will as i was told in school "violently decompose when in a pure state above 15 psi".
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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 04:24 AM
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originally posted by: hubrisinxs
a reply to: SPECULUM

From the article:




"I'm not going to say just because they're a different religion or because they're Muslim. But these people were, they were foreign-speaking. You need to take notice, you need to let us know about it because it doesn't hurt to check on it. You're not being racist or anything like that. You're just protecting yourself," said Laclede County Sheriff Wayne Merritt


Did the Sheriff ask them what religion they practiced? Also, what did he mean by foreign-speaking? This could be that they did not speak English, or they spoke English with an accent.

You had no reason to arrest them, but you called the FBI cause they were different looking and sounded funny?

Also from the article:



After the San Bernardino shooting, several media outlets reported some neighbors noticed suspicious activity at the home of shooters Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik.
No reports were made, however, out of fear of being accused of racial profiling.


This kind of thinking is what led to Japanese internment camps of the 1940's.



Yup. And there wasn't a damn thing wrong with it!



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 05:13 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

I don't have a link or anything but I watch quite a bit of CNN and they've already mentioned a few times in the last week
that syrian chatter has revealed a plan to attack Chicago , Il.
Regardless, I always take heed of this type of thing until it passes and even then , you just never know.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 05:28 AM
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We're up to sis Walmart locations reporting it now.

www.redflagnews.com... ne-tanks-stolen-in-kc



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:46 AM
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originally posted by: riiver


Here's a little info about Ava: it's tiny. It has a population of less than 3,000. It's not on the way to anywhere. It's literally in the middle of nowhere. The nearest towns (half an hour away) are even smaller. The closest place of any size is Springfield, and THAT'S about an hour away.



You came closer to nailing it than anyone.

The ultimate soft target for terrorist is a sleepy little town in mid-America... pop 1000-3000. They have no police forces to worry about, most people would never suspect a thing until it was all over.

Yes sir, you truly want to terrorize Americans and strike fear in their heart? Then wipe out a small town in the middle of America.. kill 2000 in a town no one has ever heard of. Then people will truly realize they are not safe anywhere and chaos will soon follow. It's very hard to see a show about Mayberry when there is nothing left but a pile of dead bodies where Mayberry used to be.

This scenario has been looked at before, and it scares the experts because it is virtually impossible to stop if planned well enough. A few explosive devices placed around railroad tanker cars carrying certain chemicals could kill thousands in a very short time frame. All you need is the patience to wait for the wind to blow in the right direction.

Trust me, there is no shortage of soft targets, especially in the US.... the terrorist are looking for the easiest to exploit.

Edit: Almost forgot the obligatory "Hi NSA!'' after making a post like that. Oops.
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posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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Nothing will happen yet, Osoma Obama/Hilary and the U.N have not disarmed American citizens yet



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 11:24 AM
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Really, this is nothing new.

I did a simple Google search, using the terms "bulk cell phone terrorism" and set the parameters so it only included news articles from 2006. Why 2006? It's post-9/11 and when I became a manager at a cell phone store. Seemed sound enough to me.

People have been buying cell phones in bulk for years, and they, allegedly, have had links to terrorism. So far though, I doubt there has been any conclusive proof of this. Just look at these articles, for example:


The suspects said the cell phone purchases were a business activity in which they resold the phones at a profit.

Their lawyer, Nabih Ayad, told the Detroit News that the men traveled from state to state buying the cell phones because they were more expensive in Texas and because many stores place limits on the number of phones that can be purchased.


Is Owning 1,000 Cell Phones Terrorism? - CBS News, Aug. 14, 2006.


People moving state to state, armed with cash and tricks to avoid scrutiny, are buying cheap prepaid mobile phones by the thousands with plans to sell them in Latin America and Hong Kong.

Cellphone companies say the practice is costing them millions of dollars, and some have hired private investigators to document what they say is illegal tampering with their phones. Wal-Mart, Radio Shack and other retailers are limiting how many phones they will sell at one time.


Cellphone makers fight resales - USA Today, Sep. 10, 2006.


Wal-Mart Stores plans to limit each customer to two prepaid cellphones per purchase amid complaints that entrepreneurs are buying the subsidized handsets by the hundreds to resell at a profit, according to people familiar with the matter...

Those who buy in bulk at stores can double their investment by reselling the phones to entrepreneurs who deactivate a software lock on the devices. The phones can then be used on other cellular networks, often in Asia and Latin America, though sometimes in the United States.


Wal-Mart limits prepaid cellphones to two - USA Today, Oct. 20, 2006.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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a reply to: spamray

Thank you for the link. Not surprising, but the Sheriff and the local reporters all kept the "man in the woods" story completely isolated (from the phone or propane thefts stories). It begs the question, could they be linked (part of a bigger plan) or not.

Please post any local updates (if he is found).



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 11:58 AM
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a reply to: Glinda

such an interesting thread...hope nothing nefarious is going on



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 12:03 PM
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I think the question should be:

What's the waiting period when you want to buy a propane tank?

Should we require licensing and training for people buying propane tanks?

I feel we need 'common sense' solutions to this possible propane tank problems. Maybe president Obama can sign an executive order



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 03:59 PM
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Guess who worked at Wal-Mart?

Enrique Marquez, the guy tied to the San Bernardino attack. He was a security guard...



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 04:57 PM
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a reply to: matafuchs

Walmart directly employs 1.4 million people in the United States alone. That amounts to an entire 1% of the entire available workforce. And that doesn't account for people whose jobs, while they may be in Walmart, are not actual Walmart employees. That would include security guards (outside of the actual Walmart loss prevention), folks that work in the little shops/fast food joints at the front of the store, etc... I'm not sure what the number would be if you included those satellite jobs.

For a frame of reference, the next largest private employer within the United States is Yum! Brands. The corporation employs approximately 525,000 people within the US, less than one third of what Walmart employs.

My point is that with a workforce that large, it's inevitable that a few of them are bad eggs and involved with less than savory groups, practices, and ideals.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:05 PM
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Propane tanks and cellphones, huh?

Those raise some red flags, but their use can still be mundane even if considered sketchy or illegal. (Phones can be a currency of sorts even without resorting to foreign sales, marked up and resold only for cash so it can be used as a throw-away. Propane tanks have some use for making some drugs.)

So you're now left looking for the third element that would be able to weaponize the first two. I'd keep an eye out for any odd reports involving unusual large sales or theft of fireworks materials (more than enough fireworks places around MO), ammonia nitrate fertilizers (the area is out in farm country), or stump remover. (Any home/garden/hardware store.) Then I'd start to worry and look for any connections which link back to the other two things. If authorities researching the case find that, that would be their clue to hurry up and do something.

Either way, the government would actually still be interested. But it looks like they're staying fairly mum about it.



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:11 PM
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originally posted by: RickinVa

originally posted by: riiver


Here's a little info about Ava: it's tiny. It has a population of less than 3,000. It's not on the way to anywhere. It's literally in the middle of nowhere. The nearest towns (half an hour away) are even smaller. The closest place of any size is Springfield, and THAT'S about an hour away.



You came closer to nailing it than anyone.

The ultimate soft target for terrorist is a sleepy little town in mid-America... pop 1000-3000. They have no police forces to worry about, most people would never suspect a thing until it was all over.

Yes sir, you truly want to terrorize Americans and strike fear in their heart? Then wipe out a small town in the middle of America.. kill 2000 in a town no one has ever heard of. Then people will truly realize they are not safe anywhere and chaos will soon follow. It's very hard to see a show about Mayberry when there is nothing left but a pile of dead bodies where Mayberry used to be.

This scenario has been looked at before, and it scares the experts because it is virtually impossible to stop if planned well enough. A few explosive devices placed around railroad tanker cars carrying certain chemicals could kill thousands in a very short time frame. All you need is the patience to wait for the wind to blow in the right direction.

Trust me, there is no shortage of soft targets, especially in the US.... the terrorist are looking for the easiest to exploit.

Edit: Almost forgot the obligatory "Hi NSA!'' after making a post like that. Oops.
Yep, this is my Fear



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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Well this is getting interesting!

12/9 The picture below was taken in Miami Fl (from facebok post)


In the comments section of the post these where posted





Things that make you hmmmmmm!
edit on 12-12-2015 by sirlancelot because: added pics



posted on Dec, 12 2015 @ 09:09 PM
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originally posted by: sirlancelot
Well this is getting interesting!

12/9 The picture below was taken in Miami Fl (from facebok post)


In the comments section of the post these where posted





Things that make you hmmmmmm!


I saw the same picture on FB, too (the one of the men at the Home Depot with the propane tanks).

Something interesting to note - These can be used for IED's.

What if they start planting roadside IED's everywhere?? It would absolutely terrorize everyone.

Everyone would be terrified not knowing if themselves or their loved ones, would come back home after they left for work, school, or a trip to the grocery store...

That's what these terrorists do. Strike terror into our hearts.

Report ANYthing and ANYone that seems one bit suspicious or 'off', to the authorities!!!!! Stay vigilant out there. Be safe.




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