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Kids Busted for Pot, Forced to be Snitches by Cops – Sent to their Deaths in the War on Drugs

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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 11:37 PM
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Kids Busted for Pot, Forced to be Snitches by Cops – Sent to their Deaths in the War on Drugs Read
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A recently published report shared by the MSM of cases in different states, Florida and South Dakota. Hopefully the reports won't end with just these investigations as ongoing cases in the War on Drugs emerge and as many areas do not have something similar to "Rachel's Law"-which is still being worked on.



60 Minutes aired the program on Dec. 7(See here- CBS), describing how law enforcement across the country coerces young people, just starting their adult lives, into becoming confidential informants in the drug war. This sickening practice, largely kept secret, turns good people into liars and puts them in deadly danger.



A look at the controversial use of college students as informants



Andrew Saddick(?) "never told anyone" about the case. He still lost his life. There has been no action taken about what happened to him since a year and a half ago.

It is still pending where informants are to have the right to a lawyer.

Rachel Hoffman

Rachel Hoffman, 23, was a Florida State graduate who got busted with marijuana and a few pills of Ecstasy. Cops at the Tallahassee Police Department told Rachel she faces four years in prison, or she could help them carry out their biggest drug bust in recent history. Rachel, the girl who just liked to get high, was given $13,000 to buy 1,500 Ecstasy pills, 1.5 ounces of coc aine and a gun.


The cops undoubtedly assured Rachel that she would be safe as they had staged a 20-man team at the site. But when the dealers changed the location and got in her car, likely knowing that cops use informants, the cops lost her. The dealers found the wire in her purse and shot Rachel five times, leaving her body in a ditch and stealing her car and credit card.


The family of the woman had sued and won in court over her case. While helping grievances of the family, etc., and with "Rachel's Law" the stopping of the ills of the the failed War on Drugs is far from over.


TALLAHASSEE -- Tallahassee city commissioners approved a $2.6 million settlement Friday in the wrongful-death suit of a police informant who was fatally shot during a 2008 drug sting. The parents of Rachel Hoffman, 23, sued after her death, claiming police were negligent in setting up the Florida State graduate as an undercover informant after she was caught with marijuana and pills without a prescription.

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"Rachel's Law" Protects Police Informants


Rachel’s parents, Irv Hoffman and Margie Weiss, and their lawyer Lance Block successfully lobbied to pass “Rachel’s Law” in Florida—the first bill in the US that deals comprehensively with confidential informants. It requires officers to undergo special training on informants, and to take into account a new recruit’s age and emotional state, as well the level of risk involved in a given operation. But following pressure from law enforcement agencies in Florida, crucial parts of the bill were removed.





Kids Busted for Pot, Forced to be Snitches by Cops – Sent to their Deaths in the War on Drugs Read
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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 11:42 PM
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Police have been doing this for decades...

But let's be real here...
No one is forced into snitchin.

It's a conscious decision solely by the snitch.


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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 11:43 PM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
Police have been doing this for decades...

But let's be real here...
No one is forced into snitchin.

It's a conscious decision solely by the snitch.


Actually they are forced into it. Please take the time to review the information provided.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 11:45 PM
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a reply to: dreamingawake

I read it.

4 years for possession or snitch.

Some people would choose the sentence.


Choose being the operative word.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 11:48 PM
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a reply to: CharlieSpeirs

Yeah, because a teenage kid knows full well the consequences of actions....



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 11:53 PM
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a reply to: ghostrager

Most do.

Some don't.


That's where parenting skills come into play.



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:07 AM
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Most teenagers and college aged students have access to basic law classes. Everyone knows you don't have to speak to police. It's not always the right choice in a given situation, but it's still your choice.



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:09 AM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: ghostrager

Most do.

Some don't.


That's where parenting skills come into play.


Meh its not always parenting. It's also brain development and chemistry. The prefrontal cortex doesn't get developed until about 25 for most.

Your comment is incredibly ignorant to circumstance. Not all kids are lucky to have parents who are good is that the kids fault? Not all kids develop the same and according to neuroscience the prefrontal cortex is the last stage of the brain to develop. In most cases not fully developed until the mid twenties.
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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:09 AM
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Florida State graduate who got busted with marijuana and a few pills of Ecstasy. Cops at the Tallahassee Police Department told Rachel she faces four years in prison


Really , 4 years for a bit of dope and some ecstasy pills . Are your prisons there that empty .



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:11 AM
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She's an idiot that she didn't get a lawyer and do a juvenile diversion program--or aren't there any in her area? I'd think a good enough lawyer could get her out of having to do either of those things. She has a misdemeanor for the pot and I think a felony for the pills. As long as she's not like this violent prolific offender, she can do a diversion program if she pays money. And then that gets you out of jail and trouble, basically. Yep. Was she poor or something?

Regardless, this is really sad. I wonder what she did to make the dealers shoot her? They were probably really fked up on something. Or just volatile. Still, it's so mean they'd shoot the girl. Send the cops in for stings like that...sheesh.

Snitches get stitches.

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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:15 AM
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a reply to: luthier

They were smart enough to sue and lobby for Rachel's Law but not to tell her "you don't have to wear a wire"?

That's believable.
I'm not even being sarcastic, it sounds perfectly reasonable.


She'd most likely have ended up with probation anyways unless she was a repeat offender.
Again, that's the parents and lawyers job to drill that in her impressionable head.

I'm not defending the police, but I won't go to bat for a grass either.



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: rukia

She's an idiot that she didn't get a lawyer and do a juvenile diversion program--or aren't there any in her area? I'd think a good enough lawyer could get her out of having to do either of those things. She has a misdemeanor for the pot and I think a felony for the pills. As long as she's not like this violent prolific offender, she can do a diversion program if she pays money. And then that gets you out of jail and trouble, basically. Yep. Was she poor or something?


She was most likely scared into the situation with boarder line illegal practices by the cops. And yeah probably poor enough to not have an attorney. Once your in the system they use all kinds of tricks to get you to sign things over.



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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No, they push it....someone who has been around some weed....and they tell 'em to go get coc aine dealers and four for one.......

tell me.....
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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:19 AM
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a reply to: luthier

You can always have a public defender. That's your right, legally. She must have agreed to a really bad deal. It's tragic.

a reply to: GBP/JPY

That's nuts dude. It's called get a lawyer and don't say a word. And anyone who rats on a dealer is totally classless scum. But they don't deserve to die or anything. And that's why you don't mess with dealers of any kind. Because they always have guns. It's just insane that she'd agree. I cannot wrap my mind around it. Why didn't she just jump out of the car? Like...why...?

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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:20 AM
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Growing up, I was taught that if I don't want to be put in a bad situation, do not do anything that might lead to being in that situation.

Something to think about, eh?

And, by the way, college students aren't kids. They are legal-age grown ups. If they can't accept responsibility for the things they do, I hope they get the most prestigious of Darwin Awards.



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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:21 AM
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originally posted by: CharlieSpeirs
a reply to: luthier

They were smart enough to sue and lobby for Rachel's Law but not to tell her "you don't have to wear a wire"?

That's believable.
I'm not even being sarcastic, it sounds perfectly reasonable.


She'd most likely have ended up with probation anyways unless she was a repeat offender.
Again, that's the parents and lawyers job to drill that in her impressionable head.

I'm not defending the police, but I won't go to bat for a grass either.


It depends Charles how bad the cops interrogated her and she could very well have been on drugs when she signed the papers. Then was too embarrassed to tell her family or in a case like informant had to sign saying nobody could know. There is an incredible pressure to produce results to get funding and pay increases for police. Which is a huge problem and has led to a lot of even completely innocent people going to jail and even death row.



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:23 AM
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a reply to: paradoxious

Yes, but...pot and ecstasy aren't exactly what I'd classify as "bad"--MDMA and THC aren't terrible and deadly drugs. They don't have awful effects (generally) on your brain. It's when MDMA is cut with other things and isn't pure that it gets dangerous. Anyway, they're recreational substances and if used responsibly are not at all dangerous and actually have some positive benefits that have been found in clinical studies on using MDMA as a drug in sex therapy and marriage counseling.

Cocaine, however, most certainly is something that I would classify as bad.

The two shouldn't mix. Send a coke head after those dealers. Not the poor pot head who rolls balls sometimes. Sheesh that's so mean. They're low on serotonin as it is lol
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posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:23 AM
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originally posted by: paradoxious
Growing up, I was taught that if I don't want to be put in a bad situation, do not do anything that might lead to being in that situation.

Something to think about, eh?



Well lucky you..some peoples parents smoke crack or could care less about their kids. I have been a wrestling coach for high risk kids and let me tell you not everybody has guidance .

Even if they do they make mistakes.

Even if you break the law the punishment is supposed to fit the crime. This girl wasn t running a college drug cartel.



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:25 AM
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originally posted by: rukia
a reply to: paradoxious

Yes, but...pot and ecstasy aren't exactly what I'd classify as "bad".

Cocaine, however, most certainly is something that I would classify as bad.

The two shouldn't mix. Send a coke head after those dealers. Not the poor pot head who rolls balls sometimes. Sheesh that's so mean. They're low on serotonin as it is lol

Just bad decisions made, is what I mean.



posted on Dec, 9 2015 @ 12:27 AM
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i can relate to this the tactics they use on the young is brutal just to get dealers when all they have to do is ask who and idk do some work and get them that way

snitching is bad for your life most who buy drugs know this if u snitch u will pay for it

no one really dose any time for just having drugs they get probation and rehab its just a fear tactic for what could happen not what will




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