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originally posted by: truthseeker1110
I know there are tons of threads already regarding Donald Trump's recent statements regarding banning Muslims from traveling to the US. I realize there are already a lot of arguments on how this is discriminatory or how this could be a slippery slope for expulsion or internment of Muslims already living in the United States of America. However, I want to look at the issue from Trump's perspective and give my take as to why even if one were to agree with his premise, he's still wrong.
Apparently, Trump thinks that by banning Muslims from entering the country, the US can stop terrorists from entering. This ignores two important facts:
1). There are potential terrorists already living in the US. Would he suggest removing law-abiding citizens who are Muslim to something like internment camps? Would he go so far as to strip them of citizenship (which if he tried would mean he did not read much into the First Amendment)? I find the slope created by his statements to be made of ice.
2). The terrorists could still get in. Here's the thing that Trump apparently missed when he was studying about Islam in his efforts to better understand Muslims - they are allowed by the Qur'an to pretend to not be Muslim for an assortment of reasons. For a jihadist (and I use this term in the context of terrorism, not in the quranic context), there would be no qualms about simply pretending to not be Muslim.
The only thing Trump has done is give a leg up to the Democrats and I'm afraid that if Sanders were elected, we'll be looking to the Obama presidency as a bastion of right-wing conservatism (okay, maybe not that bad).
Among all likely voters, 51% favor building a wall on the border; 37% disagree, and 12% are not sure. Eighty percent (80%) support the deportation of all illegal immigrants convicted of a felony; only 11% are opposed.
YouGov's latest research shows that most Americans (64%) support building a fence on the border - when that border is the one with Mexico. Only 27% of the American public oppose it. Even Democrats are evenly split (44% to 43%) while large majorities of independents (65%) and Republicans (87%) support a Mexican border fence.
originally posted by: diggindirt
I can only judge by what I hear from day to day but in our neck of the woods, Trump is winning over Democrats just like Ronald Reagan did back in '80. It is because he's not talking like a politician but someone who wants to get the job done, not let things drag on until we're done for.
I can't even begin to count the number of Democrats I've heard make this statement or something similar: I'm a registered Democrat but if the Republicans will nominate Trump I'll vote for him. It seems that is because the Democrats have left the average American in the dust thinking that passage of Obamacare was all that was needed to show the people that Democrats really care! They've lost sight of the fact that the economy is, to most people, far more important that the issues Democrats are trying to push. They see Trump as a fellow who has actually done something with his life up to this point, knows how negotiate and knows how to turn a million dollars into a billion dollars. You don't do that by being stupid and all the other characteristics the spin doctors throw out there.
The Republicans are upset with him because they don't have the spine to say the things he says. They're also upset that he might "cut line" in the presidential race rather than waiting for "his turn."
Those are my observations as an independent libertarian.
Yes, there are terrorist already here. So somehow that justifies allowing even more to enter? Sorry, the short answer is no.
Yes, they still can enter the U.S. illegally, but again, that somehow means take no action to reduce the avenue of immigration? Not sure on that one either.