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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

What I meant was, the real history, not the history forced upon us in history books.

Think about the wars going on today as an example. Even with the internet and alternative resources that allow us to find the truth, most still use the mainstream sources of information which are all lies.

So it might be a good idea to question the official stories we have been told in the past, don't you think?




posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: zatara

You see that's part of the problem.

Trump is trying to portray himself as an outsider. ...and all too many are buying into the portrayal.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

Actually, I support the GOP opposition to Obama. Not one thing this man has proposed or supported has been good for the United States. War in Syria, TPP, Obamacare, Muslim 'refugees', bowing to foreign leaders...the list goes on and on and this is why the man is the worst President in history.

I don't like the Republican proposals either, but holding each other in check has been good for the Country compared to actually implementing either party's BS.
edit on 2015/12/8 by Metallicus because: eta



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: Anosognosia

The thing is, there are a lot of Americans who can't seperate the religion from the ethnicity. I had to correct someone the other day about Sikhs.

I heard, "When I see a guy in a turban it scares me, I mean terrorist, HELLO?"

I said, "You realize those are Sikh's right, and they're not Muslim...by and large they're very peaceful people.."

They said, "Yeah well whatever, they're still from 'over there' or where ever."

I had to shake my head. This was in the workplace no less. Even a year ago such talk would have never taken place. This was by a manager too...someone above my pay grade, who you'd think would be more educated on such things.

Fear loves ignorance, the two of them go hand in hand to feed one another.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:22 PM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

Trump is a provocateur and political operative. I already suspected this prior to his current campaign.

Trump's actions and political record speak to this theory far more than the theory he actually wants to win.

I was not surprised today when Paul Ryan condemned Trump's 'plan' to ban Muslims. In 2000, Jesse Ventura made incendiary comments in a Playboy interview and the party 'had' to ask him to resign to disassociate from him. Trump left with Ventura, after floating a party run, and was quoted as saying:


New York tycoon Donald Trump said Monday he won't run for president because the Reform Party is "SELF-DESTRUCTING" and CAN'T PROVIDE THE SUPPORT A CANDIDATE NEEDS TO WIN. "You could only win the whole thing with a totally unified party," Trump said on NBC's "Today." After months of speculation about a possible candidacy, the colorful and controversial billionaire said he was dissuaded in part by the departure of Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura, who had been an ally of Trump's. He also took a shot at former Republican Pat Buchanan, who is seeking the party's nomination, and his unlikely supporter, leftist activist Lenora Fulani. "THE REFORM PARTY IS A TOTAL MESS," Trump said.


No doubt this move helped Bush squeak by in Florida by 537 votes.

What's happening now is a tried and true political operation.

Trump goes where he is told to go and does what he is told to do. His objective, now, is to part from republicans and run as an independent/third party. I predict he will do just that after the GOP denounces him...and he will fracture the conservative vote so badly, democrats will win with a mandate.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:23 PM
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It is as real as it gets! Trump is the most popular nominee good, bad or ugly press...

Again, I dont have a steak in this, but - The political headline of the morning is that Donald Trump is now leading the Republican presidential field by 20 points, according to a new CNN poll.

TRUMPFORPRES

The Democratic National Committee isn’t that worried about Dr. Carson. They believe they have the Black vote wrapped up no matter who they put in front of us.

In Donald Trump we have a successful business person who can survive all the scrutiny and that is so puzzling to the DNC. I don’t know how this election is going to end but don’t count Trump out until he is indeed out. That may not happen.

BLACKVOTE



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:27 PM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

He is stirring the hornest nest of what politicians and political figures should act and behave and he is getting all the attention, taking that attention from the other poster politicians out there,

I am amazing by the way he is playing the politics and he is getting away with it, how people seem fascinated with the way he talks and what he does, been followers of haters, he is getting everybody's attention.

Even abroad with his latest comments, still why should America Care when supposedly Americas politics are limited to America and have supposedly no influences from foreign countries, I am right, right, we all know how foreign money finds his way into our political system.

Heck we may very well pay very close attention to what is going on because politics will never be the same After Trump.


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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: MystikMushroom

It's quite a bit more complicated actually, but sure let's dumb down history to western standards.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
The scariest thing? These people have probably always felt this way, they just needed someone famous to say it first so they could feel safe in repeating it.


I agree, same thing happening here in Holland, with the likes such as Geert Wilders.
(Far) right winged populists are gaining votes everywhere nowadays.
If we're not careful, this could lead to another repetition of historical events, on the biggest scale yet to society.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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a reply to: SkepticOverlord

My gawd what an agenda you have...why not stop listening to what Rush said today and let folks vote their conscience. You couldn't be more on point with what Rush said today which I heard listening to am radio for traffic.

You and everyone else you're referring to are propelling this thing.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:28 PM
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originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: Anosognosia

The thing is, there are a lot of Americans who can't seperate the religion from the ethnicity. I had to correct someone the other day about Sikhs.

I heard, "When I see a guy in a turban it scares me, I mean terrorist, HELLO?"

I said, "You realize those are Sikh's right, and they're not Muslim...by and large they're very peaceful people.."

They said, "Yeah well whatever, they're still from 'over there' or where ever."

I had to shake my head. This was in the workplace no less. Even a year ago such talk would have never taken place. This was by a manager too...someone above my pay grade, who you'd think would be more educated on such things.

Fear loves ignorance, the two of them go hand in hand to feed one another.


Fair enough, but remember that Muslims and the left push that mentality onto people.

The idea that you are a racist if you don't agree with a certain policy on immigration is something pushed by the left.
The idea that if you disagree with the president that you are racist was something pushed by the left.
The idea that if you don't support the BLM movement that you are racist was something pushed by the left.

I agree that the right is just as guilty in pushing fear onto people, but the idea that someone is racist for disagreeing with you is a tool of the left to stifle discussion.

Again, both parties are part of the same evil cabal when you get down to it...but this whole bigot, racist thing is a product of the left.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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This guy is a salesman, and people are lining up to buy his drivel. He's also an opportunist, taking advantage of the latest tragedy to sell his snake oil to anyone who'll take it; then elaborating further to prove himself right as if he's an oracle.

What a putz.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:29 PM
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a reply to: Anosognosia

In reference to?



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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Yeah, it seems ingenius ... until the day his rhetoric comes back to bite him during his presidential campaign and he only gets something like 15% of the nation's vote.

But, to be entirely honest, Trump's the most interesting candidate since Obama first ran for the white house. Everyone else, including the Democrats, seem extremely underwhelming and too cautious.

Don't get me wrong: A Trump presidency would be catastrophic. He won't win. But if he loses, and the United States gets a democrat in the office, do the american people necessarily win as well? From either a shady centrist with an ex-president husband, to a driven yet squirrely and old radical liberal?

I doubt it.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:30 PM
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a reply to: Vector99

If you want to wax philosophical on the finer points, like sampling a fine Grand cru, you're more than welcome. At the end of the day when you distill down the major factors that's what you're left with.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:31 PM
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I firmly believe he's saying whatever he believes is necessary to "make a deal" with the populace to become the Republican nominee.



Another way to put it is he is a bold faced liar.


The real problem is the people who realize it and love him for it.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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People are not realizing that even talking about him here in ATS or any other board or social media is getting what Trump wants, attention.

He is getting all the attention and media time and the reality is he doesn't even have to pay for it.

Ingenious



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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Trump is strategically playing the long game.
Admit it. There is a very high probability that there will be more ISIS attacks here and in Europe very soon.

Watch what happens after the next one.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:36 PM
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If it does come to Trump and Sanders you Americans have an interesting presidential campaign.

Right wing extremist v Left wing loony.

Good luck with that one, let's see what Americans really think of the current state of affairs.

It will be interesting to see if Jeremy Corbyn can survive as Labour leader here in the U.K until the next election. Will the Tories vote a real extreme right winger as leader to oppose him and enforce a similar choice on us?



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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originally posted by: Tyrion79

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
The scariest thing? These people have probably always felt this way, they just needed someone famous to say it first so they could feel safe in repeating it.


I agree, same thing happening here in Holland, with the likes such as Geert Wilders.
(Far) right winged populists are gaining votes everywhere nowadays.
If we're not careful, this could lead to another repetition of historical events, on the biggest scale yet to society.


What is actually happening is that the chickens of disastrous left-wing socialist's policies of appeasement are coming home to roost. Socialism has had it's day in Europe... it's been an abject failure and it's politicians are going down all over. Americans take notice.



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