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Donald Trump Calls For 'Complete Shutdown' Of Muslims Entering U.S.

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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
Does anyone here that disagrees with Trumps idea of closing off the country to Muslims, have a better idea to protect Americans from a (Islamic) terror attack?
We here politicians talk constantly about protecting the country and it's citizens.
If we are actively at war with a certain type of individual, wouldn't make sense to keep that type out of the country?


I have no idea and wish I did. But, I'll tell you voting in Ben Carson or Ted Cruz will cause a # storm at this point.




posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yet his support and numbers continue to increase while you continue to talk about him being consistently devoid of actual facts. I'd rather the lie of a thousand dancing muslims than the lie of a video being responsible, or if you like your plan you can keep it, period. Did the dancing muslims comment hurt you? Because not keeping my original plan that I liked hurt my finances.


Yea no #! It's basically showing that many Americans will listen to rhetoric over substance. Not surprising since I've called out parallels to Trumps rhetoric laced "make america great again" campaign to Obama's "hope and change" campaign.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:23 AM
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Better yet, get you`r armies away from ME and if others around the world want it so, demolish you`r bases in other countries as well. That would be great start towards peaceful world. America could have gone totally different path and had much more success as an global forces. Instead they chose`d to play proxies, mercenaries and any amount of other covert actions and distractions and so on.
Especially after ww2 if America would have chosen path of honesty and truth, they could very well today be leading force of peace and unity in the earth. Those countries and people whom still build towards peace, they have little to no chance in the world stage today, what could have America complement with their might?



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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originally posted by: introvert
That's an uncomfortable question to ask considering the recent events with Robert Dear. What if Christian extremism continues to gain momentum? Do we round-up Christians and treat them like Muslim extremists?

If not, why not.

What these Christian Right wingers don't understand is that they are advocating for the very actions and policies that may be used against them if they continue to radicalize.


They clearly didn't learn their lesson from the gay marriage fiasco (as a reminder, Christians giving marriage to the government to ban black people from co-racial marriage paved the way for gay marriage being legal).



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: LSU0408

Where did I ever say that we should ban his Presidential run? You are putting words in my mouth.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Just look at this thread. I'M the bad guy here for calling Trump out.

You have to remember how simple minded most Americans have become. If Trump were to have done the crap his doing now back in the 50's he would have been thrown out of politics because back then people were more intelligent than they are now. All we are seeing now is just how successful the dumbing down of America has been.


Heh... The hypocrisy amasses when you people call your political opponents simple minded. Look how intelligent LBJ was in the 60's... That S.O.B. knew exactly what he was doing.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No, you're the scared guy. Calling everyone else scared.


Great rebuttal! We really MUST be back in grade school. "I know you are, but what am I!"



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:28 AM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: LSU0408

Where did I ever endorse Hillary? This topic is about Trump.


Perhaps your guilty conscience? I never said you endorsed her. Don't deflect about the topic.


Hey, you brought her up and start talking like I was endorsing her or something. And NOW you are accusing me of going off topic when you brought her up in the first place. Wow. You are just a pillar of terrible arguing techniques...



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Krazysh0t

No, you're the scared guy. Calling everyone else scared.

Trump supporters are the ones wetting their panties everytime someone says the word Muslim. Take Donnie's speeches and replace the word Muslim with the word Jew and people will be crying he's another Hitler.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:30 AM
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originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Astyanax

I've been feeling the same way about the polarization. I have a serious feeling that another Democrat is going to win the Presidential election again, exposing that the hateful rhetoric of even the mainstream GOP candidates isn't going to get them elected anymore. This will herald in more years of increasing divisive politics. At some point that divisiveness needs to be addressed or it will boil over into violence.


When your number one enemy is your political opponent, that's what happens. Anyone who truly thinks hillary is the answer is more or less supporting the future violence because so far it's her and obama that think the right are their #1 enemy. That's their greatest threat along with global warming. How a person can't see that ridiculousness is beyond me.


Are there any Hillary supporters on this site? I'm yet to see one. Plus, I agree with Krazyshot. I haven't thought of muslims at all today until I started reading ATS. I won't say I haven't noticed an issue. But I don't wake up fearing for my life and don't think banning all muslims is the right answer. Sorry I keep adding to the post, but banning all muslims would be the same as banning all christians. The extremists of each of the religions spread hate in similar ways.


I can see you agree with KrazySh0t. Both of you act like I said y'all are hillary supporters. But y'all are both krazy if you think she's not going to be the other choice. You'll have to choose one. I don't wake up fearing muslims, nor does anyone else I would assume. The problem y'all are missing is that we already have enough extremists here. Keeping muslims from entering into America until we fix this problem is a very good way to assure Americans that no more than we already have will be coming here. It's a very, VERY simple concept.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:31 AM
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Btw why there is always just couple already know old ppl up to presidency of great nations? Also they cannot be the smartest and brightest of these greatest nations? I know why but does it make any sense that we have to put our votes in for already absolutely corrupted next leader after next? You know they wont let any real persons go for that office but only those whom are directed to the plan, then they come around and "fight between couple already directed candidates" throwing slurs like this topics title here so that already oppressed people will get more angry and dominated.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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a reply to: LSU0408

Keeping muslims from entering into America is a good way to make sure the rest of the civilized world hates us.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
Does anyone here that disagrees with Trumps idea of closing off the country to Muslims, have a better idea to protect Americans from a (Islamic) terror attack?
We here politicians talk constantly about protecting the country and it's citizens.
If we are actively at war with a certain type of individual, wouldn't make sense to keep that type out of the country?


Yes it would make perfect sense. If Trump was a left winger, he'd be hailed for such a fantastic idea. The left wing is salty right now though, so everything he says is invalid and mean in their opinion. I've come to the conclusion that Trump has made the left wing saltier than even Bush.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:35 AM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: buster2010

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Spiramirabilis

Just look at this thread. I'M the bad guy here for calling Trump out.

You have to remember how simple minded most Americans have become. If Trump were to have done the crap his doing now back in the 50's he would have been thrown out of politics because back then people were more intelligent than they are now. All we are seeing now is just how successful the dumbing down of America has been.


Heh... The hypocrisy amasses when you people call your political opponents simple minded. Look how intelligent LBJ was in the 60's... That S.O.B. knew exactly what he was doing.

Yes he knew what he was doing that useless moron staged a false flag event that got a war started where over 50K of our people were killed. Also Trump is not my political opponent simply because I'm not in politics.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:40 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

If you say so... I refuse to vote for a lying pig legged idiot that sees me as her number one enemy. How stupid would I have to be to do that? There's a real threat to our lives, all of our lives, out there, and it's not Conservatives and global warming. Would you vote for me if I considered you my enemy?

If there was a chance that I could stop all muslims from entering the country until we got this problem fixed, in order for you to feel safer, would you want me to drop out of the presidential race? Less than a month ago, people were crying for Carson to drop out of the race because he was mean too. Face it man, people on your side just don't want confrontation or someone that might say something mean to a minority. You guys can bash and belittle right wingers all day long though. Y'all can dish it, but you sure as hell can't take it.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:42 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: forkedtongue

I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for defending Trump's rhetoric anymore. We need to just label it for what it is and push to get him removed from running for the Presidency. He's hateful and divisive, and we don't need divisive. ESPECIALLY divisive on purpose (which is what Trump is).


Why because you say so?


No, because it's wrong. I don't know about you, but I was raised not to hurt other people and that includes saying hateful things.


Oh I get it, because one of the biggest jokes in journalism besides msnbc the huffpost said so?

Fox news is a straight up legit open honest news source compared to huffpost. Which is hilarious, because I would believe I was on fire even if I saw the flames if fox said it.


Lol. It's amusing to see you desperately try to defend intolerant behavior and rhetoric by deflecting onto the messengers.


Well here in the real world, we dont treat people with kid gloves.

Glad you were mommy and daddys special little snow flake, but in the real world, nobody cares about your feelings.

In your version of reality, hurt feelings trump facts.


Grow up. You know what I mean. Just because we can say intolerant things doesn't mean we should. It's mean and we can explain our positions and grievances rather easily without using hateful rhetoric. It's called talking things out and it's the adult thing to do instead of just yelling ignorance at the echo chamber to get back patting.


In reality, your feelings can not be hurt by anyone but yourself, because have to allow the oppinions of others to influence your own self worth, they cant do that for you, only you can allow it to happen.


In reality it has nothing to do with my feelings. It's just the right thing to do.


Just like I cant make you angry, it is you that decides to allow my oppinion to effect you in such a way.

It is why we have an amendment that guarantees me the right to offend you, and not one that guarantees you the right not to be offended.


I hate this rhetoric. Just because we are allowed to be intolerant and hateful doesn't mean we should. Whatever happened to the Christian ideal of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you? I certainly wouldn't like things like that said about me, so I know that I shouldn't be saying them myself.


Glad ya asked... They're getting done to them, what they're doing to us. It doesn't just apply to Christians, you knew that, right?


My co-worker is a Muslim with a green card. What did he ever do to you that deserves the treatment said about him by idiots like Trump or that he shouldn't be allowed in the country?

Can we ban Christians because they blow up abortion clinics too?


Sure, ban anyone that's not already in America. I know 14 people in San Bernandino that had a muslim co-worker that was said by many to be very peaceful and quiet. I'm advocating for the stop of all people to America until we can fix our own problems. We're overpopulated anyways.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: forkedtongue

I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for defending Trump's rhetoric anymore. We need to just label it for what it is and push to get him removed from running for the Presidency. He's hateful and divisive, and we don't need divisive. ESPECIALLY divisive on purpose (which is what Trump is).


Why because you say so?


No, because it's wrong. I don't know about you, but I was raised not to hurt other people and that includes saying hateful things.


Oh I get it, because one of the biggest jokes in journalism besides msnbc the huffpost said so?

Fox news is a straight up legit open honest news source compared to huffpost. Which is hilarious, because I would believe I was on fire even if I saw the flames if fox said it.


Lol. It's amusing to see you desperately try to defend intolerant behavior and rhetoric by deflecting onto the messengers.


Well here in the real world, we dont treat people with kid gloves.

Glad you were mommy and daddys special little snow flake, but in the real world, nobody cares about your feelings.

In your version of reality, hurt feelings trump facts.


Grow up. You know what I mean. Just because we can say intolerant things doesn't mean we should. It's mean and we can explain our positions and grievances rather easily without using hateful rhetoric. It's called talking things out and it's the adult thing to do instead of just yelling ignorance at the echo chamber to get back patting.


In reality, your feelings can not be hurt by anyone but yourself, because have to allow the oppinions of others to influence your own self worth, they cant do that for you, only you can allow it to happen.


In reality it has nothing to do with my feelings. It's just the right thing to do.


Just like I cant make you angry, it is you that decides to allow my oppinion to effect you in such a way.

It is why we have an amendment that guarantees me the right to offend you, and not one that guarantees you the right not to be offended.


I hate this rhetoric. Just because we are allowed to be intolerant and hateful doesn't mean we should. Whatever happened to the Christian ideal of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you? I certainly wouldn't like things like that said about me, so I know that I shouldn't be saying them myself.


Glad ya asked... They're getting done to them, what they're doing to us. It doesn't just apply to Christians, you knew that, right?


My co-worker is a Muslim with a green card. What did he ever do to you that deserves the treatment said about him by idiots like Trump or that he shouldn't be allowed in the country?

Can we ban Christians because they blow up abortion clinics too?


Sure, ban anyone that's not already in America. I know 14 people in San Bernandino that had a muslim co-worker that was said by many to be very peaceful and quiet. I'm advocating for the stop of all people to America until we can fix our own problems. We're overpopulated anyways.


Ok I want to ban you for inciting hateful rhetoric that could cause extremism among ignorant, white conservatives. See how that # works, Mr. Thought Police?
edit on 8-12-2015 by Krazysh0t because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: forkedtongue

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: forkedtongue

I'm sorry, but there is no excuse for defending Trump's rhetoric anymore. We need to just label it for what it is and push to get him removed from running for the Presidency. He's hateful and divisive, and we don't need divisive. ESPECIALLY divisive on purpose (which is what Trump is).


Why because you say so?


No, because it's wrong. I don't know about you, but I was raised not to hurt other people and that includes saying hateful things.


Oh I get it, because one of the biggest jokes in journalism besides msnbc the huffpost said so?

Fox news is a straight up legit open honest news source compared to huffpost. Which is hilarious, because I would believe I was on fire even if I saw the flames if fox said it.


Lol. It's amusing to see you desperately try to defend intolerant behavior and rhetoric by deflecting onto the messengers.


Well here in the real world, we dont treat people with kid gloves.

Glad you were mommy and daddys special little snow flake, but in the real world, nobody cares about your feelings.

In your version of reality, hurt feelings trump facts.


Grow up. You know what I mean. Just because we can say intolerant things doesn't mean we should. It's mean and we can explain our positions and grievances rather easily without using hateful rhetoric. It's called talking things out and it's the adult thing to do instead of just yelling ignorance at the echo chamber to get back patting.


In reality, your feelings can not be hurt by anyone but yourself, because have to allow the oppinions of others to influence your own self worth, they cant do that for you, only you can allow it to happen.


In reality it has nothing to do with my feelings. It's just the right thing to do.


Just like I cant make you angry, it is you that decides to allow my oppinion to effect you in such a way.

It is why we have an amendment that guarantees me the right to offend you, and not one that guarantees you the right not to be offended.


I hate this rhetoric. Just because we are allowed to be intolerant and hateful doesn't mean we should. Whatever happened to the Christian ideal of doing unto others as you would have them do unto you? I certainly wouldn't like things like that said about me, so I know that I shouldn't be saying them myself.


Glad ya asked... They're getting done to them, what they're doing to us. It doesn't just apply to Christians, you knew that, right?


My co-worker is a Muslim with a green card. What did he ever do to you that deserves the treatment said about him by idiots like Trump or that he shouldn't be allowed in the country?

Can we ban Christians because they blow up abortion clinics too?


That's an uncomfortable question to ask considering the recent events with Robert Dear. What if Christian extremism continues to gain momentum? Do we round-up Christians and treat them like Muslim extremists?

If not, why not.

What these Christian Right wingers don't understand is that they are advocating for the very actions and policies that may be used against them if they continue to radicalize.


Those are lone wolves that aren't supported by Christians, lol. Look, America has enough problems. Right-wing extremist sovereign citizens, muslim extremists, gangs, drugs, etc. Why on Earth would you compound those problems by letting more possible extremists into this country? You're overlooking the big picture so you can insult religion.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: introvert

originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Yet his support and numbers continue to increase while you continue to talk about him being consistently devoid of actual facts. I'd rather the lie of a thousand dancing muslims than the lie of a video being responsible, or if you like your plan you can keep it, period. Did the dancing muslims comment hurt you? Because not keeping my original plan that I liked hurt my finances.


So what you pretty much said here is that you have no problem with liars and will support one as long as the lies support your confirmation bias. What makes you any different than a rabid Hillary supporter?

Not much.

That position lacks integrity, honesty and intelligence.


It's probably safe to say that you've got comprehension issues.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: Astyanax

I've been feeling the same way about the polarization. I have a serious feeling that another Democrat is going to win the Presidential election again, exposing that the hateful rhetoric of even the mainstream GOP candidates isn't going to get them elected anymore. This will herald in more years of increasing divisive politics. At some point that divisiveness needs to be addressed or it will boil over into violence.


When your number one enemy is your political opponent, that's what happens. Anyone who truly thinks hillary is the answer is more or less supporting the future violence because so far it's her and obama that think the right are their #1 enemy. That's their greatest threat along with global warming. How a person can't see that ridiculousness is beyond me.


Are there any Hillary supporters on this site? I'm yet to see one. Plus, I agree with Krazyshot. I haven't thought of muslims at all today until I started reading ATS. I won't say I haven't noticed an issue. But I don't wake up fearing for my life and don't think banning all muslims is the right answer. Sorry I keep adding to the post, but banning all muslims would be the same as banning all christians. The extremists of each of the religions spread hate in similar ways.


I can see you agree with KrazySh0t. Both of you act like I said y'all are hillary supporters. But y'all are both krazy if you think she's not going to be the other choice. You'll have to choose one. I don't wake up fearing muslims, nor does anyone else I would assume. The problem y'all are missing is that we already have enough extremists here. Keeping muslims from entering into America until we fix this problem is a very good way to assure Americans that no more than we already have will be coming here. It's a very, VERY simple concept.


Then we have to ban other terrorist demographics, by statistics, correct?


OK, no more white males or black males.


The only way to get rid of extremism, in any culture, is for it not to be tolerated at its source. I'm not sure how the middle easy reacts to the extremists/terrorists over there, but if its anywhere close to how the US reacts to American Terrorists, then that explains the problem everywhere.



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