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Baghdad Ankara ultimatum nearly up, Moscow to discuss Turkey military invasion at UNSC

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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 04:57 AM
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As a Baghdad-issued ultimatum for Turkish troops to leave the area is nearing its deadline, Russia intends to bring up Ankara's invasion of northern Iraq without the country's request at the UN Security Council on Thursday.
“The issue will be raised at a closed-door meeting,” TASS cited a diplomatic source within the organization as saying. The source also dismissed earlier reports that Moscow was going to call a separate UNSC meeting.

According to Iraqi media,Prime Minister Haider Al-Abadi has put the Iraqi Air Force on high alert and the ruling National Iraqi Alliance has given the prime minister the go-ahead to take “any measures” to ensure territorial integrity and protect its borders, including addressing the UN and the Arab League.

Baghdad Ankara ultimatum nearly up, Moscow to discuss Turkey military invasion at UNSC

This could be the flash point we are all hoping doesn't come.

Just to clarify, Russia is not holding a meeting to discuss invading Turkey, rather to discuss Turkey's hostile act of sending troops into Iraq that RT is labelling an invasion.

But with Iraqi military on high alert and the ultimatum to remove troops being issued, unless Turkey leaves this could boil over to all out war. With Turkey and NATO hot on it's heels.

If one is the praying type, now is the time to ask the big fella upstairs for calm and peace in our leaders hearts because I got a bad feeling about this....
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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 05:06 AM
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originally posted by: markosity1973
Just to clarify, Russia is not holding a meeting to discuss invading Turkey, rather to discuss Turkey's hostile act of sending troops into Iraq that RT is labelling an invasion.

But with Iraqi military on high alert and the ultimatum to remove troops being issued, unless Turkey leaves this could boil over to all out war. With Turkey and NATO hot on it's heels.

If Turkey itself is not being invaded, NATO has every right to refuse to get involved, and probably would.
The diplomatic tactics of Russia will be relying on this distinction.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 05:13 AM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: markosity1973
Just to clarify, Russia is not holding a meeting to discuss invading Turkey, rather to discuss Turkey's hostile act of sending troops into Iraq that RT is labelling an invasion.

But with Iraqi military on high alert and the ultimatum to remove troops being issued, unless Turkey leaves this could boil over to all out war. With Turkey and NATO hot on it's heels.

If Turkey itself is not being invaded, NATO has every right to refuse to get involved, and probably would.
The diplomatic tactics of Russia will be relying on this distinction.


That is the point where the potential war lays;

If Turkey removes it's troops, no problem.

If Iraq chases them out and Turkey gives up, no problem.

But Turkey has been saber rattling lately, what with the shooting down of the Russian jet and all. So it might defiantly send in more troops and then we have a problem.

Iraq might fight them off alone, but I think Russia is possibly expecting Iraq to call for help. It's already asked to work with Russia. If this happens we have a big problem, because the USA thinks it owns Iraq.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 05:21 AM
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originally posted by: markosity1973
If Turkey removes it's troops, no problem.
If Iraq chases them out and Turkey gives up, no problem.

I think the real third option is this;
Turkey resists, or sends the troops back into the area.
NATO replies; the national territory of Turkey has not been attacked. So not our problem. If you launch these adventures outside your own territory, you're on your own, sonny Jim.

My understanding is that what Turkey is trying to achieve in the area is the exact opposite of what the coalition is trying to achieve, so the coalition has no motivation to back them up.

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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 05:24 AM
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a reply to: DISRAELI

Yes, true. Iraq is a wild card in this at the moment, although ISIS is thriving there too.

I think now that Turkey has been called out over the ISIS oil trade it might go for broke. This war is a complicated mess.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

This might end up being the point of entry for China . They have some nice new SU's and could easily put boots on the ground at the request of Iraq Govt. of course . China has been fooling around in the waters over there recently ,playing war stuff . Maybe that is forward training to assist for what is to come ...

eta

Turkey has pulled 350 troops back from the Turkish-Iraqi border after reaction from Baghdad over the deployment of more Turkish soldiers in Mosul.

troops

The troops are waiting on the border and will be sent to Iraq if Ankara and Baghdad agreed on the issue, sources told Hürriyet Daily News.

Turkey has deployed nearly 600 troops to train Iraqi Sunni local guards in Mosul.
atimes.com...
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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 06:09 AM
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And as always at the center of everything is US. Wherever is war or drums of war, us has its nose in it. No need to point fingers or to be smart but is easy to see who's the warmonger and the peace hater (as always been). Despite my love for the country and strong ties with it, US is always the problem for the world peace. They create wars, they're behind all wars. The rest of nations and countries are just puppets who play US game. As long as US military is the strongest in the world, there will be no peace.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 06:30 AM
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Russia seems to be looking for all opportunities to call out the US.

See, the US have the cards stacked so high in their deck and they also have the media on their side. So any goal the US wants to accomplish it is able to illustrate it in such a way , that technically they're within the law. Even if its them writing and interpreting that law.

Any other nations in the world that had any clout, would always accept the US and swallow the official line, regardless if they believed it or knew it to be false.

The US never had to do the dirty work itself, other nations leaders were always either being paid, or being blackmailed into assisting.. in what ever role the US had for them.

Its all changed, the US and its allies have attacked so many nations and their leaderships.. that they've banded together.
Syria, Iraq, Russia, Iran, Libya, Yemen, Somalia. is a tough axis

We''ll we've got allies right?.. Israel.. Who doesn't give a toss any more and does what they want... Saudi.. Who are playing both sides and making a killing by killing.. Australia.. who's broke and England.. who's vulnerable..

There's enough countries siding with Russia that our official line doesn't mean anything anymore. Heck, even the French are shaking Putin's hand.

And they are starting to call it out in the press. Openly show where the US is lying and covering something up. Germany and its comments against Saudi backing the Fanatical Muslims in the Middle East. Russia and its proof of Turkish Oil Smuggling..the Murdoch Media is having a hard time keeping all these truths hidden.. RT.com (yes, its Russian deal with it) has reporters that stake out press conferences and demand answers to certain questions. When was the last time anyone ever did that?

It all leads to Turkey and these troops now. Technically, Iraq has asked them to leave and they refuse to. They're military in nature. Russia and Iraq are in the right at the UN to demand they leave, technically!



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 06:38 AM
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Iraq can pound sand, they cant do anything to Turkey, they couldnt even manage to get their troops to stand and fight isis, though they outnumbered them 12 to 1, were for better armed, and held the strategic positions.

Iraq has the sorriest military I have ever heard of.

Their battle with isis, was more embarassing the moussilini losing to etheopia in ww2.


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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 06:43 AM
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When did the ultimatum start, anyone know?
Was it Monday morning? 19hrs left if it was..



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 07:23 AM
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a reply to: markosity1973

Erdoğan seems to have a political agenda to be reelected next year.. Seems that wiki leaks has find out that one of erdogans trustees has talked on twitter in September that shooting a Russian fighter jet down should be one of his plans to get te tension on high alert to get him reelected. .

Maybe he's trying again to poke the Russian bear in Irak?

I'm not.sure if this is legitimate news but we'll here it is..
sputnik news



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 07:37 AM
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The Russians will get nowhere in the UN Because people will simply point out Russian occupations in Georgia and Ukraine, where Russia claimed it was invited by locals so its not an invasion. The Turks have been invited by the Iraqi Kurds and Sunnis. It would be ironic if they called a local vote to join Turkey using Russia's own tactics against them. Again Russia's own actions will undercut it. As for forcing the Turks out, it simply can not be done if they do not want to leave. The Russians are not going to help because it would be a disaster. The Chinese could care less. And Iraq could not take on the Turks much less the Kurds and the Sunnis the Turks are with.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 08:48 AM
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As for forcing the Turks out, it simply can not be done if they do not want to leave.
Kind of like forcing the US out eh .Seems to be some big double standards happening when it comes to groups that can be divided along ethnic religious or sovereign lines . If the UN stands for United Nations I would think to eliminate or re-create a Nation could be problematic . It could be a very convenient tool as well . Imagine creating a Kurdistan or and a Sunnistan . Turkmenistan ,Talibanstan , or even a Texastan . Right now Turkey is not helping it's self and sooner or later this will be settled ,either by hook or by crook ..



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 08:57 AM
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originally posted by: DISRAELI
If Turkey itself is not being invaded, NATO has every right to refuse to get involved, and probably would.
The diplomatic tactics of Russia will be relying on this distinction.


As I've been saying all this time ... the US/NATO has called Russia's bluff. And, Russia itself has been stating the ISIS is the creation of the west. This is a game of Chicken, and unless Russia wants to lose EVERYTHING ... they better get their act together and start using their fire power. The only way, they can "avoid" a catastrophie, is by showing a strong hand ... not by playing "p**sy".



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:10 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Well I as well as others were saying similar things over the Ukraine . Putins patience over the Ukraine situation seems to work better then the knee jerk crash and burn most were hoping for . Kiev is slowly collapsing on it's self . They are going broke and the west cant help them . Its got to the point where the rats are starting to eat each other there .



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:30 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn
Somebody had better be bluffing, anyway. Turkey, I hope. I would hate to think that the NATO leaders were telling him "We will back you in everything you do". That's how we got into the Crimean War the last time round.
The very worst thing that can happen is that somebody decides to "call the bluff" of a country that means it seriously. That is probably what happened in 1939.


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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:45 AM
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This might end up being the point of entry for China .


Why on Earth would China want to get involved in this mess? All they have to do is sit back and watch Russia drop off the world stage while they develop their own offshore oil fields. They might even pick up some land in Siberia if Russia loses badly enough.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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Imagine creating a Kurdistan or and a Sunnistan .


That is exactly what this is about. Putin would personally cut Assad's throat and carve Iraq and Syria into pieces and hand them to the various tribes with gift wrapping if the EU and US could persuade Ukraine to cede all of its territories east of the Dnieper to Russia.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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In a nutshell, this can end badly.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 10:50 AM
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You should say what you really think. You say you don't want something like this to happen, but you're really hoping it does. Gotta love the closet war-cheerleaders on this website.
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