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Stop Comparing Trump to "Hitler"...

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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 12:40 PM
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Well I guess people forgot that Hitler was Time magazines man of the year.

Funny how inconsistent Americans are.




posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 12:42 PM
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I dunno.....

Hitler had an awesome iconic Mustache
Trump has awesome iconic hair


.....Just saying
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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: Stormdancer777

Did Obama question immigration in his address? No.

He criticized guns, the GOP, and said he would defeat ISIS by doing what he has been doing. By bombing hospitals and weddings with drones.

I don't think people care if terrorism happens in the US. They won't blame the terrorists. They'll blame Trump, climate change, NRA, and talk radio.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 12:49 PM
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Don Trump, is the only person alive to say it how it is....what a star fella...All worldwide problems are muslim based. This is a fact.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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originally posted by: union_jack
Don Trump, is the only person alive to say it how it is....what a star fella...All worldwide problems are muslim based. This is a fact.


North Korea?

National Debt?

Greece Unstable economy?

World Debt?

Drug trafficking?

Issues with out of control police?

Issues with the US gov over reach?

China's heavy hand with Japan?

Tensions with China and the Dalai Lama?

Food and water issues in Africa?

Poverty?

Yes the ME is a powder keg, but to blame the whole worlds problems on Islam is ignorant

Come on man

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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

Come on man! Only 2 Stars for you!

Everywhere Muslims or Jews/ liberals/ poor/ homosexuals/ or just the oldest scapegoat ever: women, of course. Who else could be responsible?

Easy solutions for easy fellas, please don't break that for anybody on ATS. Are you shilly or what?





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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 01:14 PM
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a reply to: PublicOpinion

we are all entitled to our own views...Muslim religion is the most ignorant race of people on the earth...



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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a reply to: union_jack

Except it's not an opinion to call all Muslims a race, but it's funny in a racist way. Star of Irony for you. Heck... I'll star your other post as well now.

Consistency in ignorance, others call it strenght.
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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: OhOkYeah
People will continue to compare him to Hitler because Trump makes them uncomfortable. They want a nice politician elected so they can go back to sleep in their cozy little world of political correctness.

Anyways, it doesn't matter. If trump wins, hillary wins. Trump is there to make the GOP look bad so people will vote for Hillary. If Trump wins the nomination, he will throw the election so that Hillary gets into the white house.

Personally, I'd like to see Trump elected. He's a funny guy.


He makes people uncomfortable for a reason dude and it isn't good.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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a reply to: mwalker

Trash, hmmm? How all inclusive of you.

So your family isn't the result of immigrants coming into the country? Might want to be a bit more careful about tossing such all inclusive verbiage around...lest one gets bit by one's own words.

Immigrants are what built, for better or for worse, this nation. To curtail, or stop, immigration is foolish, and short sighted.


Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame,
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door


Emma Lazarus.


It would seem the "mother of exiles" disagrees with you.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:18 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: luthier

originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: luthier

The Middle East has already started to crack down on ISIS. Even other Muslim terrorist groups like Boko Haram are denouncing ISIS. When you make an enemy of the whole world, it's easy to find support to take you out.


Maybe. That isn't exactly reassuring while we are funding monsters like the Saudis. I mean how do we support goverments that are so cruel to women and non Muslims. Or how is Turkey in NATO with the moves Ardogan has made. I agree for the most part with you but we need to fully get out meaning no more arm sales and money to governments who trample their own people.


I question a lot of moves we do internationally, but we haven't fallen apart as a country yet for any of them. There is this ideal of self-determination that we are supposed to promote in America, even if that means the country in question wants to adopt hateful rhetoric. Would you want another country invading the US because of the hateful things that Trump says about Muslims and his supporters defend?


They want some help than change how you do things. Islam cn change just like Christianity did. 95 percent of people who consider themselves Christians don't practice every superstitious bit of hate they can find in the bible. Look at how the culture in the ME treats and abuses women. People who defend Islam also need to be brave enough to call out the very real widespread human rights abuses in their states and culture. It's not being a biggot to do so.


Muslims in the west ARE changing some. It takes a while for these things to happen. Just like us, there are conservative and liberal muslims. Some are more open to change than others. But one thing is true, their children will grow up exposed to more and more western ideals and their children's children will be even more inundated.

For a fun game, try to look at a group of white people and pick out the Italians or the Irish among the group. It's pretty hard, but back when those groups first immigrated here, it was REALLY easy. That's my point. Generational gaps fix these conflicts.


No we shouldn't invade a country for that. But we shouldn't use the state to fund ideology that goes far beyond words. I am sure you have seen countless stories of state sponsored torture for things like women driving cars. Then they take the money we give them and found these types of behaviour.

Your right they are changing some what in the west but you have to admit there is a lot of push back to make exceptions for their beliefs. A lot more than Irish or Italians. They just went to their own usually Catholic schools. They didn't try and change society like in France for instance. Religious ideology will fade over time but this is also a very volatile situation unlike the earlier American immigrants. We weren't seen as international world police back then.

We had opportunistic gangsters and crimelords slip in but not people looking to kill innocents. Or what they see as tacid supporters of the infidels. Once you decide to break the social contract and go full terminator even a non planned killing spree kills and terrifies. All it takes is the willingness to die and you can shoot up a defenseless public place anywhere.

I don't know its a tough call. People who act like its easy haven't thought through the whole situation.

Bombs alone won't do it this for sure. But hugging itbout and hoping radicals come around before things get really bad ain't a plan either.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:19 PM
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So your family isn't the result of immigrants coming into the country?


I guess that all depends on how one looks at themselves.

Myself ?

I hold no alliegance to Ireland, or the Netherlands, or Wales or the Cherokee Nation, or the Church.

Speaking as an American mut.

I am a citizen of the United States of America.
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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:22 PM
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a reply to: neo96

As am I.

If someone else wants to become one, who am I to stop them?

There is the understanding, of course, that they will behave themselves and comport themselves as productive members of society.

If they don't, jail, or ship 'em out. You don't stop it just because some few of the folks might be bad.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:25 PM
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originally posted by: luthier
No we shouldn't invade a country for that. But we shouldn't use the state to fund ideology that goes far beyond words. I am sure you have seen countless stories of state sponsored torture for things like women driving cars. Then they take the money we give them and found these types of behaviour.


Well no one wants to address that elephant in the room.


Your right they are changing some what in the west but you have to admit there is a lot of push back to make exceptions for their beliefs. A lot more than Irish or Italians. They just went to their own usually Catholic schools. They didn't try and change society like in France for instance. Religious ideology will fade over time but this is also a very volatile situation unlike the earlier American immigrants. We weren't seen as international world police back then.


Well do what is within the law then tell them no for the rest. It isn't illegal for them to ask.


We had opportunistic gangsters and crimelords slip in but not people looking to kill innocents. Or what they see as tacid supporters of the infidels. Once you decide to break the social contract and go full terminator even a non planned killing spree kills and terrifies. All it takes is the willingness to die and you can shoot up a defenseless public place anywhere.


But that also happened in the 1900's as well. I mean after all, the mafia is full of Italian crime lords... A fact of life that Americans are having trouble grasping their heads around, bad people are created by poverty and people coming to this country tend to be in extreme forms of poverty. They are just products of their environment. But we have laws for these people.


I don't know its a tough call. People who act like its easy haven't thought through the whole situation.

Bombs alone won't do it this for sure. But hugging itbout and hoping radicals come around before things get really bad ain't a plan either.


The answer is follow the money, but powerful people don't like doing that because then you might turn those scopes on them.
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posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:27 PM
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If they don't, jail, or ship 'em out. You don't stop it just because some few of the folks might be bad.


Wouldn't be the first time.

After 1924, Ellis Island became primarily a detention and deportation processing station.[19][53]



After 1924, Ellis Island became primarily a detention and deportation processing station.[19][53] During and immediately following World War II, Ellis Island was used to intern German merchant mariners and "enemy aliens"—Axis nationals detained for fear of spying, sabotage, and other fifth column activity. In December 1941, Ellis Island held 279 Japanese, 248 Germans, and 81 Italians removed from the East Coast.[54] Unlike other wartime immigration detention stations, Ellis Island was designated as a permanent holding facility and was used to hold foreign nationals throughout the war.[55] A total of 7,000 Germans, Italians and Japanese would be ultimately detained at Ellis Island.[19] It was also a processing center for returning sick or wounded U.S. soldiers, and a Coast Guard training base. Ellis Island still managed to process tens of thousands of immigrants a year during this time, but many fewer than the hundreds of thousands a year who arrived before the war. After the war, immigration rapidly returned to earlier levels.[19] Noted entertainers who performed for detained aliens and for U.S. and allied servicemen at the island included Rudy Vallee, Jimmy Durante, Bob Hope, and Lionel Hampton and his orchestra.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:33 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: neo96

As am I.

If someone else wants to become one, who am I to stop them?

There is the understanding, of course, that they will behave themselves and comport themselves as productive members of society.

If they don't, jail, or ship 'em out. You don't stop it just because some few of the folks might be bad.


I think you do. Other modern countries do. They put some pretty strict policies even socialist countries. You don't want to become over nationalist but putting a pause in immigration for certain areas so you can get a hold of the situation isn't rediculous.

Usually what we do today anyway is stick refugees in an old expired mill town with no jobs. Then they get put through the grinder and end up in gangs and poor and desperate.

If we stopped funding the goverments repressing these people they may not have to come here to begin with.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: neo96

No it wouldn't be.

Seemed to work out for the most part. Yes, a few bad apples, more than a few, got in, but the vast majority went on to become citizens, and contribute in many ways, both large and small, to this nations history.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:40 PM
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No, you don't.

This nation has never said, other than in hyperbole, or poetry, anything other than "opportunity is here". That's all that has ever been promised.

If you fail to take advantage of it? Whose fault is it, really?

Most immigrants know this. ...and for many, even most, that's all they want. An opportunity. To be safe. Fed. To raise their children in safety. To practice their religion.

Opportunity isn't just about becoming Andrew Carnegie, over on a boat with nothing, and becoming fabulously wealthy. It's more likely just a roof over your head, three squares a day, and not having to worry about where those three squares are coming from tomorrow. Simple stuff, until you've lived most of your life without them.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:43 PM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: luthier
No we shouldn't invade a country for that. But we shouldn't use the state to fund ideology that goes far beyond words. I am sure you have seen countless stories of state sponsored torture for things like women driving cars. Then they take the money we give them and found these types of behaviour.


Well no one wants to address that elephant in the room.


Your right they are changing some what in the west but you have to admit there is a lot of push back to make exceptions for their beliefs. A lot more than Irish or Italians. They just went to their own usually Catholic schools. They didn't try and change society like in France for instance. Religious ideology will fade over time but this is also a very volatile situation unlike the earlier American immigrants. We weren't seen as international world police back then.


Well do what is within the law then tell them no for the rest. It isn't illegal for them to ask.


We had opportunistic gangsters and crimelords slip in but not people looking to kill innocents. Or what they see as tacid supporters of the infidels. Once you decide to break the social contract and go full terminator even a non planned killing spree kills and terrifies. All it takes is the willingness to die and you can shoot up a defenseless public place anywhere.


But that also happened in the 1900's as well. I mean after all, the mafia is full of Italian crime lords... A fact of life that Americans are having trouble grasping their heads around, bad people are created by poverty and people coming to this country tend to be in extreme forms of poverty. They are just products of their environment. But we have laws for these people.


I don't know its a tough call. People who act like its easy haven't thought through the whole situation.

Bombs alone won't do it this for sure. But hugging itbout and hoping radicals come around before things get really bad ain't a plan either.


The answer is follow the money, but powerful people don't like doing that because then you might turn those scopes on them.


I was referring to the mafia when I said gangsters had slipped in. They weren't just looking to kill as many people as they can.

We also don't have the job structure we did. In fact they will go away more and more as automation becomes widespread. We need to address that elaphant too.

With the mafia you could follow the money with jihadis its religious extremism. Much much more dangerous. They don't care about money or if they live or die. They already have billions. And we give them some of it willingly through countries like Saudi Arabia.

I don't think putting a bunch of refugees in crappy used up mill towns like Detroit does anyone any good. We aren't building railroads anymore or nearly anything. It's a complicated situation and it requires very well thought out ideas. We happen to have terrible leadership across the board when it comes to ideas. In either party.



posted on Dec, 8 2015 @ 02:46 PM
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originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: luthier

No, you don't.

This nation has never said, other than in hyperbole, or poetry, anything other than "opportunity is here". That's all that has ever been promised.

If you fail to take advantage of it? Whose fault is it, really?

Most immigrants know this. ...and for many, even most, that's all they want. An opportunity. To be safe. Fed. To raise their children in safety. To practice their religion.

Opportunity isn't just about becoming Andrew Carnegie, over on a boat with nothing, and becoming fabulously wealthy. It's more likely just a roof over your head, three squares a day, and not having to worry about where those three squares are coming from tomorrow. Simple stuff, until you've lived most of your life without them.


No I am aware I spent a lot of time in India and south east Asia.

But its not that simple either. You can't ignore the problem and pretend it doesn't exist. Obviously it's getting worse not better. You can't compair the early stages of the industrial revolution to today.

It requires more thought and I am not saying Donald Trump approach is right either.



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