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Ted Cruz: We Can 'Absolutely' Outlaw Abortion Without Overturning Roe

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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

That's why we need Bernie to get it done correctly. A one-payer, universal system.




posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 01:49 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

My thoughts are that you don't have to be a theocrat to espouse the stance that zygotes and fetuses are their own individual human beings and deserve protection.

I doubt I'll respond to any responses to me, as I'm bored with discussing abortion, but we'll see...



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey


My thoughts are that you don't have to be a theocrat to espouse the stance that zygotes and fetuses are their own individual human beings and deserve protection.


Well, Cruz is both espousing it AND a theocrat.
Thanks for contributing.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:00 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I disagree. He wants tuition and health care for foreign nationals, AKA ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. And all his policies sound like more "bottom up" economic failure, which has been tried. He also blames "CLIMATE CHANGE" as one of the reasons for Terrorism. He's absurd

There is no way in hell I can support such a failure of a policy.


That only helps the US. How does having more educated healthy people hurt the country, regardless of where they're from or why they're here? Learning skills and working in our country directly helps us.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:39 PM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
He is just pandering, this would never survive any type of Constitutional challenge.

Plus there is no filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.





He's not pandering. Pandering would imply that he doesn't necessarily support what he's saying.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:50 PM
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a reply to: NowWhat



Ted Cruz is a perfect example of why abortion should sometimes be necessary.


I like that, lol! That would be a great line in a debate. The audience would be howling!



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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I thought the GOP didn't have a war on women? An action like this would make it seem like it.

I am anti abortion but telling another person what they can or cannot do with their own body is 100% wrong.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 03:10 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

He's not pandering. Pandering would imply that he doesn't necessarily support what he's saying.


He is pandering because he knows that it would not get through the Senate or the Supreme Court if challenged. He is telling them what they want to hear despite him knowing that it is not possible.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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When a politician lies to the public about what he can do for them if elected we call it pandering.


Pandering almost sounds cute. Cute lies.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 03:20 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: BuzzyWigs

He's insane.

That's it.


Some people just need to go away --- permanently.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 03:58 PM
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Can I claim any future zygotes on my taxes as dependents, so long as the pregnancy last for at least six months of the calendar year? Can I do so, even if there is a miscarriage after six months? If not, it isn't a person.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 04:20 PM
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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
Ted Cruz would be GREAT if he laid of the "God Stuff", but he won't.



This is what I've been saying all along. His religious agenda scares me.


Not to mention he completely creeps me out when he talks... idk why but he does.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 04:34 PM
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IMO, Ted Cruz would be the perfect poster child for the pro-choice movement. I can easily picture a poster with his ugly mug pasted on the body of a naked baby lying on it’s stomach and reading something like:

WOULD YOU BRING THIS INTO THE WORLD?
***********picture goes here*************
SERIOUSLY? YOUR CHOICE MATTERS.

This guy is nothing but bad news. He didn’t go to Washington to solve problems and make the lives of American’s a little better. He went there to tear the system down and create mayhem. He’s not a “conservative” politician. He’s a far right-wing fascist spewing the rhetoric of the evangelical fundamentalist movement. He’s done nothing with his time in the Senate other than create roadblocks, play politics with the NASA budget, show his vastly ignorant grasp of science and cost the taxpayer billions of dollars beyond his already inflated salary; the govt shutdown alone, which he orchestrated, cost us 24 billion bucks.

His election to office only shows me his constituency is unbelievably naive, gullible and easily manipulated. He certainly didn’t get there on the merit of his ideals. We need his “leadership” about as much as we need a massive outbreak of pubic lice.

I say, ”Down with Cruz! Give America a chance!!”.

Peace and Love



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 04:40 PM
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I hope Ted has a plan for all of the additional tax write-offs/credits people will claim for their fertilized eggs. Then again, I think Ted believes we don't need tax revenues, because the Jesuses will provide everything our nation needs, including tanks, bombers and aircraft carriers, through the twin powers of "dancing with poisonous snakes" and "faking seizures in Church."

What an ultra-liberal, big-government goon. He should be embarassed to call himself a Republican, let alone an American. Then again, us Birthers know the truth about his origins in the bowels of certain Socialist-Communist enclaves of the Western Hemisphere.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 04:48 PM
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even if it is a person,
if the developing fetus is causing negative effects on the women, you have two opposing rights involved, who gets to decide which one rules? should we force the cancer patient to go without her chemo in hopes that she can survive long enough to deliver the child? what if she has migraines, should she have to suffer through them instead of taking the medication that has been proven effective in treating her? what if for some reason her body just can absorb enough calcium? should she have to suffer through the rest of her life because her bones are weakened?

in states where legislation has been passed to protect the unborn fetus (and even in some where they aren't) we seem to have quite a few women imprisoned accused of causing miscarriages in various was, including falling down stairs.
ya know, there are things that men can do to adversely effect their offspring, both while developing within the womb of the mother, and before they are conceived even. would men be so inclined to want to believe that fetus was a person if their behavior was as scrutinized as much as these women after a miscarriage. leave something on the stairway and your pregnant girlfriend ends up falling down the stairs and miscarrying because of it, hey let's put you up on murder charges, or manslaughter or whatever. run a red light and get in an accident with pregnant lady in car, well, off to jail you go!!
and well, we won't get into the damage that is done by making mom nervous, fearful, upset.

and, well, if the fetus should be protect upon conception, what about prior to it? shouldn't we be protecting them the many problems that our actions that we do in our younger years, that poses long lasting dangers to the fetus for years beyond the time they were done?



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 05:07 PM
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Not to mention he completely creeps me out when he talks... idk why but he does.

Same here.

Trust your gut instincts.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: theantediluvian

He's not pandering. Pandering would imply that he doesn't necessarily support what he's saying.


He is pandering because he knows that it would not get through the Senate or the Supreme Court if challenged. He is telling them what they want to hear despite him knowing that it is not possible.


I agree here, he has to know there is no way he could ever do this.

The scary part is that he feels he need to make this statement to pander to his voters and that it will most likely work.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 05:33 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Bernie is an Independent, not a Democrat - just like Paul is not a Republican, but a Libertarian.
They're both simply caucusing with the larger parties to increase their chances.

Does that help?

Bernie is to the Dems what Paul is to the GOP.


That isn't entirely true.

Paul is more of a Libertarian where Bernie is actually MORE liberal than Democrats which makes him worse to me.

I prefer someone who puts individual liberty above all and frankly, I don't see any candidates on either side that cares about our freedom. Every one of these clowns has some sort of right they want to take away from us.

Bernie is going to need a big, bloated Authoritarian beauracracy to implement his Socialist agenda and he is definitely coming for our wallets.

Anyway, I am probably going to vote Libertarian as the more the mainstream candidates talk the less I like them.
edit on 2015/12/7 by Metallicus because: Spaced for readability (no text changed)



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 06:24 PM
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a reply to: Metallicus
so, who's the libertarian candidate?
Micky's decided he doesn't want to bother this year.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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a reply to: Kargun

But what if a woman miscarried her "zygote person" due to natural causes? Will she have to go to court and prove she, the mere vessel of someone else's life, didn't commit murder, or deserve jail time for neglect?

I'm curious. Where does it end?




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