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Ted Cruz: We Can 'Absolutely' Outlaw Abortion Without Overturning Roe

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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 11:52 AM
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Ted Cruz: We Can 'Absolutely' Outlaw Abortion Without Overturning Roe


You guys still don't believe he's a theocrat? Here you go - more proof. Right out of his mouth.


Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, said last month that Congress could “absolutely” criminalize all abortion by passing a law giving 14th Amendment protections to fetuses and zygotes, thus bypassing a constitutional amendment overturning Roe v. Wade.

This represents the Republican presidential candidate’s strongest endorsement yet of the radical anti-choice “personhood” strategy, which, based on a questionable interpretation of Roe, holds that Congress can simply outlaw abortion by classifying fertilized eggs as persons under the law. If successful, personhood would outlaw nearly all abortions and could even criminalize certain types of birth control.

Cruz made the comments in a November 25 interview with influential social conservative commentator Robert George as part of a series of candidate interviews that George is hosting on the the Catholic television network EWTN.

After outlining the personhood strategy, George asked Cruz, “Do you believe that unborn babies are persons within the meaning of the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and, if so, will you call on Congress to use its authority under the 14th Amendment pursuant to Section Five, to protect the unborn? Or do you take the view, as some do, that we can’t do that until Roe v. Wade is overturned either by the court itself or by constitutional amendment? Where do you stand on that?”

“Listen, absolutely yes,” Cruz responded.

- See more at: www.rightwingwatch.org...


This is real. If he gets elected to a GOP-majority Congress - it will be done.

How many other loopholes would he use to do what he wants - like, make this a Christian Nation? (he can do that, too - obviously he believes he can bypass/change ANY AMENDMENT he wishes to, as long as Congress goes along with it)
As a Senator, he could even propose this change to the 14th on the Senate Floor - and I won't be one bit surprised if he does. Probably drafting it right now.
*shudder*

Please, people - don't give this guy any more support.

Sure, it would eventually be dragged to the Supreme Court (just like Citizens United was) - and cost millions in lawyers and court costs, using PUBLIC MONEY - is that what we want?

No, thank you.
Thoughts?
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 11:57 AM
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:08 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

He's insane.

That's it.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:16 PM
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a reply to: Swills

Agreed.


You really mean that, though - right? Or, what about the OP do you find insane? Just checking to make sure I understand.

Do you think he's insane because you believe it can't be done? (I believe he'd find/make the way to do it)
Or do you think he's insane because of what he wants...? (which is what I think)

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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:23 PM
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Good for him. The murder of our unborn is perhaps humans darkest point.

"The most merciful thing that a large family does to one of its infant members is to kill it." Margaret Sanger, Women and the New Race (Eugenics Publ. Co., 1920, 1923)

I open My house to adoption. I have 3 and will take more. Peace


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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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The murder of our unborn is perhaps humans darkest point.

I respectfully disagree. Responsible planned parenthood helps us.

I believe our darkest point is never-ending war (the murder and/or destruction of the minds of our best and brightest youths - by sending them to war - as well as innocent civilians of all ages) and the reckless rape of the planet. And allowing money to equal power.

Oh, and also - the disregard for other species.


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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: BuzzyWigs

If any of the GOP nuts get elected with a GOP congress the countries finished

Including Trump

I use to think Trump was all right but he's a nut too

Well have guns in every street corner, no more health insurance, retirement will go to 70

and other draconian measures



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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You know me, Buzzy. I'm all for protecting freedoms and so I am pro-choice, while at the same time being anti-abortion. So I'm just going to throw this out there to see what you think.

In the video, Cruz says this:


To protect every human life, from the moment of conception, to the moment of natural death.


In the spirit of that statement, would people such as yourself be willing to compromise on stricter abortion laws in exchange for, let's say, universal healthcare or free public housing for the homeless and poor?

Is there any room for compromise by either side of this issue?


(post by NowWhat removed for political trolling and baiting)

posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: introvert


In the spirit of that statement, would people such as yourself be willing to compromise on stricter abortion laws in exchange for, let's say, universal healthcare or free public housing for the homeless and poor?

Yes, I would.

How would you make it stricter than it already is?
And what will you do about the babies who are carried to term and delivered, but unwanted, and put into 'the system' for their whole lives? I don't see many people who are anti-abortion offering compromises in terms of increasing the social safety net.

They seem to want it both ways - no more social safety nets, AND no more abortion. Can't have it both ways.

If we have better, universal health care, and quality social safety nets that would actually take care of these kids - but I come from a place of having seen kids removed from their homes and shuttled from foster home to foster home; adopted and then 'given back', and totally messed up Emotional/Behavioral health because they weren't "wanted" or were "difficult."




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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:45 PM
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Whelp, Ted Cruz is another Obama, an potential activist in the White House.

Support for Cruz is gone.

So far this month, my support for Trump AND Cruz have dwindled away.

Who's left? Nobody but Paul. Which I'm not thrilled about.


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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:47 PM
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Who's left? Nobody but Paul. Which I'm not thrilled about.

There are still other choices - you just need to look outside your "party" affiliation.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: BuzzyWigs
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain


Who's left? Nobody but Paul. Which I'm not thrilled about.

There are still other choices - you just need to look outside your "party" affiliation.


I vowed I will NEVER vote for a Democrat again. And not after Obama. Only Independents, Libertarians, and Repubs have my ear. And Repubs are BARELY making the grade.

I voted for Kerry in response to BUSH, that was a sad mistake of mine. It was a vote AGAINST Bush. Now I'm going to vote AGAINST Democrats.

And Hillary and Bernie?? Give me a freaking break. They're clowns.

This entire thing is a clown show. Both sides now.

And P.S. I'm a registered Libertarian. Nobody from MY PARTY ever gets a chance.

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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:51 PM
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I think abortion is disgusting, even in some of the more "extreme cases" it seems like punishing the wrong person at times...


But we have to be realistic and honest...

Are there enough responsible adults, who want children, willing to adopt the millions of unwanted babies?
No.
Clearly not.

So what's the alternative?
Care homes for life?
Moved from foster to foster?


That will create a generation of broken souls.


That doesn't go into terrible cases of rape or deathly consequences of the mother.

This is a ridiculous premise from an outright nutbag lunatic psycho in a suit.



Here's an option, Ted, don't have an abortion.

Stay out of our Earthly Sister's wombs you creep.
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Bernie is an Independent, not a Democrat - just like Paul is not a Republican, but a Libertarian.
They're both simply caucusing with the larger parties to increase their chances.

Does that help?

Bernie is to the Dems what Paul is to the GOP.
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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How would you make it stricter than it already is?


I don't know. Just wanted to see how open you were to compromise.

I think the anti-abortion folks would do a better job at stopping abortions if they were to focus on healthcare and taking care of those in need. Make changes to the system that support those people that are not in a position to raise a child because of economic reasons.

Perhaps someone like Cruz would be willing to compromise on those sorts of issues if the pro-choice side is willing to compromise as well. Think he would budge a little or not?



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:55 PM
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It is lip service or he is so short sighted he should be on the short bus.


Classifying fertilized eggs as people would certainly create some problems.

Just think of the immigration issue and citizenship. How many women could then claim they got pregnant after they crossed the border. Just thinking about that problem would make ones head spin.

On top of that

How many miscarriages would be investigated for child neglect and possible manslaughter.

Is Cruz really that stupid or is this just pandering for votes. Some people say he is smart, but he sure says stupid things.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:56 PM
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Clinton = Power hungry maniacal Monarch/Oligarch who is a Socialist failure

Bernie Sanders = Fail at every level EXCEPT for taking on Bankers

Ted Cruz = Strong in every way, but makes "speeches" every time he speaks, and is showing he would be a "Christian Acitivist" in the White House, just like Obama is for the Left.

Trump = The best candidate so far on POLICY, but too busy attacking people on Twitter, making fun of disabled (PROVEN), and calling for violence against protesters (PROVEN), and acting like a complete DOUCHEBAG


So who's left?

Screw the whole thing



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:57 PM
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Perhaps someone like Cruz would be willing to compromise on those sorts of issues if the pro-choice side is willing to compromise as well. Think he would budge a little or not?

I think not, based on the company he keeps.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:58 PM
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He is just pandering, this would never survive any type of Constitutional challenge.

Plus there is no filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.




edit on 7-12-2015 by AugustusMasonicus because: Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line




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