Jesus was tempted to worship Satan!? So desiring to worship Satan is Jesus-like!? (video explains)

originally posted by: alientransfer
But if you didn't want to do it, even if you are offered, then you are not tempted. Jesus was tempted.

I have already tried to tell you above, the Biblical word "tempted" does not mean "tempted" in modern English. It means "tested".
When the writer of 1600 says that Jesus was "tempted", he means that Jesus was "tested".
Jesus was never "tempted" in the modern sense of the word.

a reply to: alientransfer

Yea, but of all the contradictions in the bible that are ignored by mainstream Christianity, I'm not even sure this one is worth mentioning. It looks like your issues come down to translation errors and trouble understanding dialect changes through the ages.

originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: alientransfer
a reply to: Krazysh0t
But if you didn't want to do it, even if you are offered, then you are not tempted. Jesus was tempted.

...If you are an honest cop, the bribe offer doesn't make you feel any internal temptation in the least, but that doesn't change the fact that the guy who offered you the bribe just tempted you.

If what you call "internal temptation" is not there, then there was no temptation at all because that's what temptation means.

Hebrews 2:18 and Hebrews 4:15 show that Jesus was tempted like us, making your theory an unwarranted one.

Hebrews 2:18 says,
"Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he can help those who are being tempted."

Hebrews 4:15 says,
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses we have one who has been tempted in every way, JUST AS WE ARE - yet without sin."

originally posted by: DISRAELI

originally posted by: alientransfer
But if you didn't want to do it, even if you are offered, then you are not tempted. Jesus was tempted.

I have already tried to tell you above, the Biblical word "tempted" does not mean "tempted" in modern English. It means "tested".
When the writer of 1600 says that Jesus was "tempted", he means that Jesus was "tested".
Jesus was never "tempted" in the modern sense of the word.

The same thing goes for you...

Hebrews 2:18 and Hebrews 4:15 show that Jesus was tempted like us, making your theory an unwarranted one.

Hebrews 2:18 says,
"Because he himself suffered when he was tempted, he can help those who are being tempted."

Hebrews 4:15 says,
"For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses we have one who has been tempted in every way, JUST AS WE ARE - yet without sin."

a reply to: alientransfer

Then even IF He felt the temptation, what the devil offered Him was rulership of the world which is what would have tempted Him, not the condition which was to worship the devil.

Let's go back to the cop and the bribe:

The money is what the cop desires and temps him, not the bad thing he has to do to get it. If he desired to the bad thing, then no money would need to be involved.

a reply to: ketsuko

Each temptation was an action the Devil told Jesus to do, TURN & THROW & WORSHIP...

The Devil said "turn the stone into bread". It wasn't a temptation to eat any bread or any kind of food even though the bible states Jesus was hungry, it was specifically to TURN the stone into bread. & the Devil said "throw yourself off the temple". It wasn't a temptation to fall anywhere, it was specifically to THROW himself off of the temple. & the Devil said "worship me". It wasn't a temptation to become king, it was specifically to WORSHIP the Devil.

a reply to: alientransfer
You are missing the significance of the words "without sin".
"Tempted" means that he DID experience what I have called the "external suggestion". He was "tested".
"As we are" because all of us are tested.
"Without sin" means that he did NOT experience what I have called the "internal response".
It's a question of translating from one language into another.
In sixteenth century English- "He was tempted without sin".
In modern English, that means "He was tested without being tempted".

What you are doing is playing the game of deliberately misunderstanding what someone says for the sake of making them sound bad, which is never fair dealing.

a reply to: alientransfer

Each temptation was an action the Devil told Jesus to do, TURN & Each temptation was an action the Devil told Jesus to do, TURN & THROW & WORSHIP... & WORSHIP...

you just said that satan told him to, that he didn't ask for it.
why is it so hard for you to distinguish the difference.

satan tempted him, ie put the thought in his head by saying, turn into,throw, fall down and worship.

a reply to: DISRAELI

That's BS, without sin simply means he didn't do whatever the temptation was, not that he didn't desire to do it because then he wouldn't have been "tempted in every way just as we are".

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: alientransfer

you just daid that satan told him to, that he didn't ask for it.
why is it so hard for you to distinguish the difference.

satan tempted him, ie put the thought in his head by saying, turn into, leap, fall down and worship.

My point is that the Devil told him to therefore those were the temptations - TURN, THROW, WORSHIP. It doesn't just say that the Devil told Jesus, it says that Jesus was tempted therefore he desired to TURN, THROW, and WORSHIP.

a reply to: alientransfer

and God has said that all men sin, and have sinful thoughts. as per your post, he didn't say or ask foe anything, satan did.

a reply to: alientransfer
Yes it does.
You are trying to apply the word-meanings of one language (modern English) to the words used by a wildly different language (Jacobean English). it is not fair dealing, and it is not a good way of understanding what someone is trying to say.

originally posted by: hounddoghowlie
a reply to: alientransfer

and God has said that all men sin, and have sinful thoughts. as per your post, he didn't say or ask foe anything, satan did.

Do you think Jesus desired to do any evil at any point in history?

a reply to: alientransfer

Dude, just because you might be tempted to worship the devil, doesn't mean any of the rest of us are.

a reply to: DISRAELI

If you want to talk about language, the New Testament was 1st written in ancient Greek where the term "God" meant an imperfect man. You are, as a whole, taking your modern definition of "God" and shoving it into what you hope God the Father to be even though things like Matthew 27:46 was written in ancient Greek.

a reply to: alientransfer
I'm not going to go off the topic of the thread. We are discussing the meaning of "tempted".

a reply to: ketsuko

It becomes a big deal since Jesus was tempted to worship the Devil, so respond to my statement...

Each temptation was an action the Devil told Jesus to do, TURN & THROW & WORSHIP. The Devil said "turn the stone into bread". It wasn't a temptation to eat any bread or any kind of food even though the bible states Jesus was hungry, it was specifically to TURN the stone into bread. & the Devil said "throw yourself off the temple". It wasn't a temptation to fall anywhere, it was specifically to THROW himself off of the temple. & the Devil said "worship me". It wasn't a temptation to become king, it was specifically to WORSHIP the Devil.

a reply to: alientransfer

just one thing id like to say and that is how do you now that jesus was tempted to worship satan is it writen in the bible ?

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: alientransfer
I'm not going to go off the topic of the thread. We are discussing the meaning of "tempted".

It's not off topic because if you actually read the OP it refers to an essay in the video description linked, and that essay describes how "tempted" definitely means what we all know it means because the New Testament was written in ancient Greek. Ancient Greeks' term for God matches up more with what you call the Devil, and so it has a bearing on our conversation.

I realize that there are many non-Christians out there that do not understand what temptation is, but here goes...

Temptation does not mean you "want" to do something but rather an opportunity is offered to do it for which one may consider doing it. For instance, A person may not be a thief but if someone placed a twenty dollar bill on the table and left it there and another person saw it, it would present an opportunity to consider "what it would be like" to have that money and may even take it, then after that it is sin, or stealing.

Satan presented Jesus with a gift, to rule the world, if only he could knowledge that the gift came from Satan and he gave him the glory for it (worship). Jesus knew he was born to be King and Lord, but to get there he would have to die by crucifixion. The temptation was that Satan was giving him the easy way to get the same thing. While Jesus may have considered what kind of offer that was, he rejected it. At no time did Jesus desire to worship Satan.

As it turns out Jesus was crucified and in the end became Lord and master of the earth, even if non believers deny it. He is now the Lord and Satan has been defeated. But being tempted is only considering an option. It's when you do the deed that it becomes sin. A murderer is not a murderer until the day he kills another. Until then he may be tempted and may even have a desire for it, but unless he commits the deed he is only tempted.