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Police Scotland Corruption

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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 09:07 AM
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a reply to: ChosenCorbyn

That happened to me in a motorbike accident. I got my injury dealt with quick and managed to keep my finger.

So right, all that waiting probably cost her a finger.

I feel sorry for her. I hope she gets adequate compensation.

Do you guys really want to be together when things like this happen? Tut tut, it is like Amy and Blake.

Were you drinking when it happened?

Sounds as if you did not mean it to happen, but it did happen. I think she has been exceptionally forgiving towards you.

The policemen treating her that way, both during the incident and after where the officer tried to worm himself out of any blame, is despicable. All a big waste and total unnecessary. Who has lost out the most: this young Lady who now only has half a finger. I hope it does not impede her make up work.

She needs a proper solicitor who specialises in police complaints and mal treatment. A quick google search reveal that there are many to choose from in Scotland. She could get a whole heap of cash out of this. I hope she does. It will still not be justice, but it is something I guess.








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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 09:26 AM
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a reply to: Revolution9

Thank you for taking the time to read and reply. She is the victim in all of this which is what i was trying to get across in my OP. This was a terrible unfortunate accident, nothing has changed in our relationship except for the fact we cannot be with eachother, ofcorse i would not blame her for blaming me for it but she is a beautiful woman inside and out and i can't believe how lucky i truly am.

I was completely sober when this happened, i barely ever drink. She has been remarkable since this happened and isn't letting this get in the way of what she wants to do in life.

She is already in contact with a few i believe, at the end of the day though it isn't about the money, it is about getting justice. It is unfortunate she has to seek out an accident solicitor but the only other alternative is to go to the police and make a complaint, i suspect that would go only one way.

I have sent an email to MSPs yesterday, stating that if people have trouble with the police it makes no sense having only the police to go to to make a complaint. If your trust in the police force has been broken the the last place you want to go to is the police. Would it not make more sense to have an independent body in place, to investigate claims of police misconduct?

I have had a couple of replies so far, just stating that they will be replying. It is a $hitty time for her and our family, especially so close to Xmas.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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I usually don't post here often, even forgot my username anyway so had to create another one...anyhow,

I have re-read your post few times and man it does looks sketchy, besides you're calling Police corrupted on what basis?

It's funny that you wouldn't wan them to call you a guy with anger issues unless it was proven it court yet you call someone corrupted just like that.

We know only half of the story but from what I'm seeing here it's not really helping your case to be honest.

Stay positive, get a lawyer, remove this thread and work on your life - its never to late.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 10:15 AM
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a reply to: DenverDinousaur

On the basis they made my partner wait 45 minutes before phoning an ambulance ( to improve chances of getting a verdict against me if the damage was worse perhaps), they phoned up my partner once they got a sniff she was going to make a complaint and made false promises of lifting my bail in order to send an officer who was there that night round to the house to try to persuade her what she thinks happened regarding the police didn't. They have witheld the statements my partner has made from the courts in order to improve the chances of my bail staying in place and successfully have done so.

The police in Scotland have moved into one big force covering Scotland instead of what it was before, different forces for different areas. What used to happen if you made a complaint about the police in your area is that a force from another area would investigate. Now that they have all merged they are essentially left to police themselves, i'm sure anyone will agree that is something which is worrying and is almost guaranteed to entice some form of corruption.

There have been hundreds of complaints made about Police Scotland since the merge with only a handful being resolved! Having a system in place which lacks fairness, impartiality and thoroughness is just prone to corruption IMO.

I find it strange that you would create an account just for the purpose of replying to this thread and it does make me wonder if you are an officer with Police Scotland.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 10:26 AM
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Look, I'm not judging anyone, thing is - we were not there and honestly it's impossible to tell who's right and who's wrong judging by just what we've heard from you, I highly doubt that they were waiting 45 minutes just for the sake of waiting and let your partner loose her finger. Doing the first aid after assessing situation is no. 1 priority in any case. I'm not saying we have the greatest force in the world, but surely there must be quite a few things there that you've missed.

People tend to react in different ways when they angry and forget about things.


I find it strange that people share stories like this online and take picture of their partners severed pictures rather than giving them first aid - I guess each to their own

I'll tell you this, couple of yers ago I was renting a flat which was raided by Police when I was @ work - they were looking for guy that was renting it before I moved in - like 3 years before that day. Thing is, the guy was already locked up in prison, so clearly the communication between departments was fu*ked, Waht is more, they ruined the door/frame and had to wait like 11 months before I got my money back for repairs - cause I had to pay for it from my own pocket - They left the door smashed and put a small patch of chipboard across to keep to halves together lol

No, I'm not a LEO.




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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 10:42 AM
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a reply to: DenverDinousaur

It happened exactly like that which is why i am posting to ATS and asking if there is ever a legitimate reason for the police making her wait and so far you have proved my point that there is none so thank you. It is unbelievable that they would just stand around chatting but i'm afraid this is what they did. Me and my partner live in a council home and aren't wealthy which is why i think discrimination has a part to play. I have no doubt that if me and my partner were middle class the whole situation would have went completely differently.

I am sharing this online in order for others to share their views and maybe some personal experience towards this to try and help me understand a bit more what exactly the police were playing at that night and in the events afterwards.

I did not take that picture either, as i mentioned in my post, i have no phone. You can clearly see it has been taken in an ambulance also, i was placed under arrest at this point.

I am not trying to convince anyone of what i say is accurate, i know it is. I am simply asking questions of the scottish police and you can answer them if you want. I see you made no comment on my other examples of the proof you were looking for.

I do find it strange that this thread would resonate with you so much as to create an account unless it really hits home with you e.g. you or a close friend, relative is infact LEO.

Sorry you must have edited your post while i was replying. So you acknowledge the Police F&** up but it just couldn't be possible in my case?
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 10:45 AM
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I have edited my earlier post and added what happened to me, that's why I joined the conversation.

I'm not affiliated with Police in any way.

I have no idea I wasn't in that room, it's just hard to believe that 8 people in a room and no one thinks about calling the ambulance - must be a reason - as I said hard to tell what have happened there.

In my case it was the miscommunication between Wales/Scotland as the guy was serving time somewhere in Wales.


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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 10:46 AM
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a reply to: DenverDinousaur

You know that you have to tell me if you are, right?



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 10:51 AM
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originally posted by: ChosenCorbyn
a reply to: DenverDinousaur

You know that you have to tell me if you are, right?


I'm aware of this and again I'm not, I don't even know any people working for police Scotland.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 11:17 AM
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a reply to: DenverDinousaur

I'm only joking with you buddy! Anyway, i have figured out how to let you hear the audio recording, you will hear how hard he tries to convince Lucy about the specifics about what happened that night. I will be taking it down in 24 hours so be quick if you wish to listen to it.

I'll go over a bit of the back story of this clip again incase you didn't read this before. The police Sargent phoned Lucy and was apologising for her having to wait so long for an ambulance. He then told her he would get my bail lifted. An officer, the one you will hear in this clip, then phoned her stating he would like to come round in order to make sure she wanted the bail removed. Now, remember, the police in scotland have no powers to remove bail and should only discuss bail with person who is serving it. This was what i was told by an officer.

Here it is:

www.youtube.com...


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I forgot to add, real names will be heard in this clip. I would appreciate it very much if those real names are not used on this thread or i will take the video down immediately. Thankyou.
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 11:39 AM
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Interesting listening, and yep the cop certainly seems dismissive of your partners claim of 45 minutes waiting.
Why didn't her mother drive her to hospital if she was at the scene, no need for an ambulance, I sure as hell would have taken my son to A&E and my grandchild (if I had one) to safety.

Are you making the claim that the police actually refused her permission to go to hospital via Mam's car or taxi, or are you saying that an ambulance was the only possible means of getting to the hospital?
Not being a dick here but loads of people phone ambulances when they could get to hospital themselves, was there a reason she could not get to hospital in her Mam's car? Are you really saying the police prevented her?



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 11:49 AM
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The police were adamant an ambulance was on it's way which is why her mother did not take her up. Then my partner heard them calling for an ambulance around 40-45 minutes after their initial arrival. The police initially would not let my partner go anywhere, it was only when her mother arrived that things seemed to move on. Like i've said though, what i want to know is if there is any reason at all that the police can refuse to let someone receive medical attention if it is urgently required?

As far as i'm concerned though even if there is, there is no reason in this case for them to have done so.

Also an important point i feel is, that i have needed an ambulance three times since living there, once for accidently stabbing myself (i'm sure some will try and say i must of done it on purpose as there is no such thing as accidents), this was when i was trying to seperate frozen black puddings with a steak knife (very stupid!) and the other two were because of panic attacks.

Now in all three cases, the ambulances arrived within 10 minutes of the call, and one of those calls was on New years eve!!



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:00 PM
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originally posted by: ChosenCorbyn
a reply to: grainofsand
Like i've said though, what i want to know is if there is any reason at all that the police can refuse to let someone receive medical attention if it is urgently required?
Obviously the answer is no, duty of care and all that.

Still though, if it had been my daughter bleeding I'd have told the cops to stuff the ambulance as soon as I was on scene and driven her there myself. I struggle to believe that the attending cops would have physically prevented me taking my child to A&E, and if you were saying that happened then yep I'd agree, for obvious reasons.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:09 PM
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I know what your saying but if you were told by authorities that one was already on it's way would you not wait for it because you would trust them? This is what i think may have happened here, obviously i cannot speak for my partners mother and her reasons for not just grabbing my partner and taking her up.

No matter what my partners mothers reasons were, ( i did not hear any conversation between her and my partner that night as they were outside), it still does not excuse the police for waiting so long to have one dispatched. The officer in the recording tried to claim that the ambulance already knew about this and that they phoned the police, however this has already been disproven by the fact that the male neighbour admitted to my partner since the incident that he was too quick to phone the police and he was sorry for not phoning an ambulance right away.

Also you have to ask yourself, why would an officer go round under the guise of lifting a bail when in fact he has no powers to do so? This AFTER my partner explaining to the Sargent that she was going to be making a complaint? You can clearly hear around the end of the video the officer claiming that "the bail should be lifted by the end of the week".

It's all so mucky, thank you once again for contributing though, by far the most helpful on this thread!

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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 12:28 PM
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It certainly sounds a messy chain of events, and I'll admit I'd still tell the cop to cancel/shove his ambulance if I'd got on the scene to my injured child. I've got authority issues anyway though, and live in one of the most underfunded/staffed police areas in the UK (Devon & Cornwall) so rarely depend on them for anything, same with most folks here.

If I'd hurt my partner in an unintentional moment of rage slamming a door either I would have not even have been at the property when the police arrived because I'd be driving her or in a taxi, you get a taxi to the hospital quicker in these parts. The little one would have been in a cozy blanket in the back seat and my missus would be getting treated quickly.
I'd let the cops arrest/deal with me in A&E.

That said though, if the cops were negligent in some conspiratorial way then yep chase it, but the world of phoning cops and ambulances for me is only if that really is the last resort. I always tend to cling-film up any wounds I have and get my own arse to hospital, and quicker than calling 999 will in the rural SW of England.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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Dont know if this has been mentioned or not, but did anyone think to bring her into the house and pack the finger in ice. Sounds to me like she was left sitting outside for half an hour waiting on the ambulance.

If that is the case you could have done better yourself.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:42 PM
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How could i when because it was considered a "domestic incident" we were forced to be seperated? The police who should know first aid maybe should have, certainly better than standing talking down to her.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:52 PM
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a reply to: ChosenCorbyn

Sorry fella but I'm with Solo on this, cling film wrapped finger would have been in a bag of frozen peas and we'd have been driving in my car or a taxi to A&E long before the police arrived. I don't depend on 999 and what 'authority' tells me to do when I can get quicker results myself.
You did fail there in my mind, but lessons learned and all that



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:54 PM
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originally posted by: grainofsand
a reply to: ChosenCorbyn

It certainly sounds a messy chain of events, and I'll admit I'd still tell the cop to cancel/shove his ambulance if I'd got on the scene to my injured child. I've got authority issues anyway though, and live in one of the most underfunded/staffed police areas in the UK (Devon & Cornwall) so rarely depend on them for anything, same with most folks here.

If I'd hurt my partner in an unintentional moment of rage slamming a door either I would have not even have been at the property when the police arrived because I'd be driving her or in a taxi, you get a taxi to the hospital quicker in these parts. The little one would have been in a cozy blanket in the back seat and my missus would be getting treated quickly.
I'd let the cops arrest/deal with me in A&E.

That said though, if the cops were negligent in some conspiratorial way then yep chase it, but the world of phoning cops and ambulances for me is only if that really is the last resort. I always tend to cling-film up any wounds I have and get my own arse to hospital, and quicker than calling 999 will in the rural SW of England.


Yeah, i know what you mean. My partners mum is one of those who think the Authority figures are always in the right however, a different era i suppose. Well that's the thing i can't drive, i don't have a phone so i think you can guess by now i don't have money to spend on a taxi, barely enough to help pay bills, food etc
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The thing is though we live literally 10 minutes at the most from the hospital and like i said earlier, the three occasions we needed one, an ambulance was there in minutes. It wasn't until the police actually arrived that we realised they had been phoned, up to that point we both asssumed our neighbour had called for an ambulance.

My partner is already pursuing this, she has around three solicitors who are interested. There is also interest from the local newspaper as well as a few magazines. I don't care if my name gets dragged through the mud because of this, we all know that even though I know i'm innocent and so too does my partner and our close friends and family, not everyone will see it that way as we have even seen in this thread. No matter what happens to me it will all be worth it as long as those officers who did wrong are punished.



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 03:07 PM
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Think I answered this post with my last reply. Although I will admit the frozen peas would have been better than the kitchen towel that i got her, i just genuinely didn't know what to do at first i was in a panic and just grabbed something to stop the bleeding. The lesson learned from this is to shut doors very carefully in future! Especially doors built to withstand being bashed in by police, which the council have installed in almost all of their homes now, i guess because they were fed up of them being bashed in by police and having to fork out for new doors?




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