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originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: BatheInTheFountain
Tomboy != transgendered
My cousin used to be a tomboy as a kid, but at no point did I ever hear her say that she secretly felt like a man.
I am demonstrating that kids FEEL and IDENTIFY with certain things that are masculine and feminine traditionally.
And I'm saying that a six year old or child saying they are transgendered isn't the same thing as a tomboy. Tomboyishness is a phase. Gender Dysphoria is MUCH more complicated and isn't just a phase.
For a SIX YEAR old to say "I feel like a man" is hardly a LIFELONG admission of being "Trans-Gendered"
Sentence your kid to a lifetime based on a feeling, when their GENES and BIOLOGY and BRAIN aren't even developed yet?
As has been shown by Freja, no one is being "sentenced" to anything. There is a LONG process that must be completed. It's not like at the age of 6 they start whacking off your penis or anything. There are considerations made for the child in case it really WAS a phase and the child grows out of it.
And if a parent ENCOURAGES you that you really are 'not who you are", a child's natural inclination of reward, positive reinforcement, and ATTENTION can further a simple 'phase'...if it is one.
SIX....
And if that turns out to be the case, everything is reversible up until their teenage years when they start taking hormones (heck even then it may still be reversible to an extent). You can't get actual SRS surgery until you are 18. EIGHTEEN.... (see I can do that too)
I'm not talking about the surgery, I'm talking about formative years that START with childhood. A time when FAIRIES and DRAGONS are on the list of possibilities, and Jedi Powers could be 'real'
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: LSU0408
No, but a slap to the mouth for thinking they wanna be something other than what they were born as will straighten them up.
This is a joke, right?
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: VictoriaCromwell
You sound bitter that the times are changing and you don't agree with it.
Yep. Just like the folks who didn't want equality for blacks were bitter, just like the folks who were against interracial marriages were bitter, just like the folks who didn't want women to get the vote were bitter, just like folks who didn't want marriage equality for gays are bitter.
Too bad, so sad, time marches on.
What do black men and women, that are simply men and women and staying the way they were born, have to do with 6 year olds and teens thinking they want to be something they're not? Nature doesn't discriminate, and it doesn't care about how anyone feels.
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
originally posted by: LSU0408
a reply to: Freija
The teacher that read that story to those innocent 6 year old kids should be fired and fined and spend a bit in jail for exposing their innocent minds to such an atrocity. As should the parents of the dude in the story. This is sick.
I'm PRETTTTY sure there is a 1st Amendment violation in there somewhere...
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: LSU0408
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: VictoriaCromwell
You sound bitter that the times are changing and you don't agree with it.
Yep. Just like the folks who didn't want equality for blacks were bitter, just like the folks who were against interracial marriages were bitter, just like the folks who didn't want women to get the vote were bitter, just like folks who didn't want marriage equality for gays are bitter.
Too bad, so sad, time marches on.
What do black men and women, that are simply men and women and staying the way they were born, have to do with 6 year olds and teens thinking they want to be something they're not? Nature doesn't discriminate, and it doesn't care about how anyone feels.
It has to do with small minds who don't like people who are different, or who like to have control over others, or who can't accept what makes them feel "icky". It has to do with those small minds who will become the minority and will eventually disappear - because as time goes on, we tend to evolve and progress as a society.
And pleeeeeeease tell me you were totally kidding about slapping a 6 yr old in the mouth.
Ahh, I see you answered my question about the violent behavior towards children. You'll just mentally abuse them instead of physically. Well, there's that at least.
originally posted by: NihilistSanta
I love how the progressive side likes to change the definitions of words mid debate. They have redefined mental illness, redefined "gender" and sexuality now they are debating the term transitioning. I recall in another recent thread they debated whether a biological male who identifies as a woman was homosexual for having sex with men. It just shows me your arguments are weak when you resort to that type of revisionism. You cant articulate the issues in plain language without appeals to emotion or moving the goal post/redefining the terms of the debate.
So because the poor delusional pawn of a child in the OP is part of a special interest group that means the child's interpretation is the correct one? What if a child wants to engage in sexual relations with an adult (Teleiophilia) ? Does that mean society is wrong because it is what the child desires? Bare in mind in my example here no one is being "forced" to do anything against their will so we can go ahead and preempt any of the "consent" issues. Yes I am aware of the difference in gender and sexual orientation (not that I entirely agree but meh) but the issue is a child state of mind and ability to make these decisions.
originally posted by: andy06shake
Have to say at six years of age i disagree as to any child even being aware of what there gender or any other gender for that matter really constitutes.
I say let the little ones reach a suitable age where they can fully understand the implications of there own actions before performing or implementing such measures.
Just to add, im not for or against transgender people, i just think where children are concerned it a very controversial issue.
source
There are several theories about how and when gender identity forms, and studying the subject is difficult because children's lack of language requires researchers to make assumptions from indirect evidence. John Money suggested children might have awareness of and attach some significance to gender as early as 18 months to two years; Lawrence Kohlberg argues that gender identity does not form until age three. It is widely agreed that core gender identity is firmly formed by age three. At this point, children can make firm statements about their gender and tend to choose activities and toys which are considered appropriate for their gender (such as dolls and painting for girls, and tools and rough-housing for boys), although they do not yet fully understand the implications of gender. After age three, core gender identity is extremely difficult to change, and attempts to reassign it can result in gender dysphoria. Gender identity refinement extends into the fourth to sixth years of age, and continues into young adulthood
originally posted by: NihilistSanta
I love how the progressive side likes to change the definitions of words mid debate. They have redefined mental illness, redefined "gender" and sexuality now they are debating the term transitioning.
originally posted by: NihilistSanta
ETA: You try to minimize it to being about a "dress" but you are failing to acknowledge any damage done by wearing said dress. Setting the children up to be ostracized and marginalized and to perpetuate a victims mentality is incredibly nurturing of you /sarcasm.
If my kids wanna be a brat, a bully, or abusive to their girlfriend, or gay,
originally posted by: NihilistSanta
I love how the progressive side likes to change the definitions of words mid debate. They have redefined mental illness, redefined "gender" and sexuality now they are debating the term transitioning. I recall in another recent thread they debated whether a biological male who identifies as a woman was homosexual for having sex with men. It just shows me your arguments are weak when you resort to that type of revisionism. You cant articulate the issues in plain language without appeals to emotion or moving the goal post/redefining the terms of the debate.