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originally posted by: Sunwolf
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
I don't know much about guns either. But the AR-15 was the gun used in the Port Arthur massacre, he managed to kill 35 people and wound 23... A very efficient ratio for your average mass shooting and also quite an astonishing kill rate for a person who apparently had the mental capacity of a 10 year old.
I guess so called "assault rifles" (semi-auto or fully auto) just have a structure that makes them every efficient in taking out a large amount of moving targets in a short period... Add a high capacity magazine to the situation and it becomes very apparent they are firearms that the public really shouldn't be able to easily obtain.
Yes,isn`t that amazing?Mental capacity of a 10 yr old?35 people?Way too amazing to be believable,especially as they were all shot in the head and neck from the hip of the perpetrator.
I know I couldn`t do it and I know several operators who say they couldn`t do it.
No,the AR does not have a special structure that makes it any better than any other semi-auto rifle for taking out moving targets.In fact the weapon of choice for close quarters would have been a pump shotgun.
The whole scenario is unbelievable.
The crazy criminal with the cheep handgun is your biggest threat, but they want to take rifles because they look mean. Solve the gang violence where in every case it is illegal hand guns being used, and as I wrote before 50 people shot 8 dead in one weekend in Chicago all with ilegal handguns.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Xtrozero
The crazy criminal with the cheep handgun is your biggest threat, but they want to take rifles because they look mean. Solve the gang violence where in every case it is illegal hand guns being used, and as I wrote before 50 people shot 8 dead in one weekend in Chicago all with ilegal handguns.
Yes, but the drug and turf war killings in the US could hardly be considered as senseless or shocking... Its when mentally disturbed people are rocking up to movie theaters or elementary schools with a legal purchased "assault rifle" with the intent of taking out as much innocent people as possible that it becomes evident there is a problem with the ease of purchasing a weapon that is designed with the structure of a military rifle.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Yes, but the drug and turf war killings in the US could hardly be considered as senseless or shocking... Its when mentally disturbed people are rocking up to movie theaters or elementary schools with a legal purchased "assault rifle" with the intent of taking out as much innocent people as possible that it becomes evident there is a problem with the ease of purchasing a weapon that is designed with the structure of a military rifle.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Xtrozero
The crazy criminal with the cheep handgun is your biggest threat, but they want to take rifles because they look mean. Solve the gang violence where in every case it is illegal hand guns being used, and as I wrote before 50 people shot 8 dead in one weekend in Chicago all with ilegal handguns.
Yes, but the drug and turf war killings in the US could hardly be considered as senseless or shocking... Its when mentally disturbed people are rocking up to movie theaters or elementary schools with a legal purchased "assault rifle" with the intent of taking out as much innocent people as possible that it becomes evident there is a problem with the ease of purchasing a weapon that is designed with the structure of a military rifle.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Yes, but the drug and turf war killings in the US could hardly be considered as senseless or shocking... Its when mentally disturbed people are rocking up to movie theaters or elementary schools with a legal purchased "assault rifle" with the intent of taking out as much innocent people as possible that it becomes evident there is a problem with the ease of purchasing a weapon that is designed with the structure of a military rifle.
If some crazy guy gets in a car and mows down 30 people are they going to say holy crap we need to limit cars.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: forkedtongue
I never said less tragic. I believe I said less senseless & shocking, since most of those people probably chose a life that has the possibility of death. Where as kids just going to school or people just catching a movie never did anything to deserve to be cut down in there prime.
btw, where do you get the statistics from to say more people are murdered by hammers or feet? 16,121 people died from murder in 2013 in the US, 11,208 of those murders where by gun.
gunpolicy.org
Also, the military obviously choose a design of firearm for a good reason and that reason isn't because it's less efficient at killing moving targets.
It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.
In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.
The continuing focus on assault weapons stems from the media’s obsessive focus on mass shootings, which disproportionately involve weapons like the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M16 rifle. This, in turn, obscures some grim truths about who is really dying from gunshots.
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
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originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed
a reply to: Xtrozero
Guns don't do it for me.....
Like I said correct me if I am wrong.... I assumed the term assault rifle was referring to either semi or automatic rifles...
AR actually stands for ArmaLite rifle, an assault is military use full automatic. Not really a big deal other than anything not with a wood stock is an evil assault rifle. Its like people want to band guns on their looks.
Please excuse my lack of knowledge here.....so they want to remove rifles like AR15s....? Are you able to modify these into automatics and how many rounds do the hold?.... I'm not sure I get it but from what you are saying these rifles are essentially hunting rifles not military ....so what then is the point of taking them... It doesn't make sense as just as many people could be killed with handguns.....
I know I could research this I would rather hear from someone with knowledge on the matter
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Domo1
Truth is, I don't personally have anything against guns. I'd never turn down the chance to fire off a few rounds and think anyone living on a rural property should be allowed to own one... Especially in the US where you have bears, large cats and dangerous canines everywhere, lol.
But I just don't personally think "assault rifles" or guns of any kind for that matter, belong in suburban homes. Its blatant over kill, it also puts the American people at more risk (imo), rather than less.
originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: Domo1
Truth is, I don't personally have anything against guns. I'd never turn down the chance to fire off a few rounds and think anyone living on a rural property should be allowed to own one... Especially in the US where you have bears, large cats and dangerous canines everywhere, lol.
But I just don't personally think "assault rifles" or guns of any kind for that matter, belong in suburban homes. Its blatant over kill, it also puts the American people at more risk (imo), rather than less.