Iraq gives a 48 hour deadline to Turkey move out from Iraq

originally posted by: bjarneorn
anyone thinks different, they're a moron.

No one will drop a nuke that 100 sorties can do much better. BTW just how big do you really think a nuke covers in destruction? The big ones will do 7 miles so they better drop 50.

US oil consumption, has decreased ... however, Canada can't even produce half of the oil, the US needs to import. Being by FAR the biggest consumer. The US can produce LESS than half it's needs, about 2/5ths.

Big difference in the word 'Can" as you say and "not profitable" with oil prices so low. Fracking becomes profitable at 80 per barrel and the amount of frack oil is crazy. Right now we have 1.2 trillion barrels of recoverable oil and we are just getting started in finding more. The 22 billion 2% of the world is just oil we been taping.

Europe, can produce silch, nada ... EU being the second biggest consumer, after the US ... it's in DESPARATE need of oil.

Sucks to be them, you do not think EU would go to war with Russia if Russia used nukes to completely shut down all oil to EU? What are they to do then just beg Russia to give them some...lol

Russia produces 3 times the volume, it needs itself.

Not after their oil fields get nukes too...

originally posted by: earthling42
Apparently the US wanted to place troops in Iraq but this was dismissed by the Iraqi government.
Funny how John McCain and Lindsey Graham advocated for 10.000 soldiers in Iraq because PM Haider al-abadi asked for more american precense according to them.
Yet, PM Haider al-abadi said 'no' because they have enough man and resources to defeat deash and other criminal groups.

And without approval suddenly Turkey sends troops into Iraq.

Now the question, what are the odds that this is an attempt to protect smuggle routes and oil deliveries to Turkey.
With Russian presence along the Syrian/Turkish border, it won't be easy to smuggle oil into Turkey, nor for equipment and troops to enter Syria.

They are their to back up the Kurds and Sunni security and militias who want to take back Mosul from ISIS because the Iraqi Shia forces have been unable to do it. The Iraqi's do not want the Kurds and Sunni's taking a major Iraqi city because they might not want to give it back when all is said and done. As ISIS gets closer to defeat you will see Iraq at odds more and more with the Kurds and the Sunnis. Likely lead to a civil war if Baghdad pushes the issue.

a reply to: Ploutonas

Can someone tell Turkey's president to chill the F out.

This guy is a war monger to no end and I wouldn't feel any sympathy to see him taken down before he takes us (the world) down with him.

originally posted by: schuyler
And exactly what is Iraq going to do about it? They have an ineffectual government and a military that any WW II Army could beat. They are no match for the Turks, which has a HUGE Army.

How about they call Mr Putin to take out the trash? Wanna know about turks? My Grandpa was born there, at the base of mount Ararat. His uncle was minister of finance for Turkey. We got the hell out just in time

a reply to: bjarneorn

Nobody is nuking anybody. It is just ridiculous to even bring it up! You are living in a fantasy world!

a reply to: MrSpad

My only disagreement with what you've wrote is about the Kurds. I am not an expert in Turkish interests, but in our records Turks and Kurds are killing each other. Very recently Turks bombarded small villages with Kurdish women and children within Turkey! Also Turks are trying to avoid the american plans for a Kurdish state that will shrink turkish borders.

So its hard for me to believe that Turks violated another country land, in order to train and protect the ones who kill within Turkish borders and Syria (lets not forget that Kurds in Syria, also killing Turks), Russia aids and trains the Kurds within Syria to fight Isis as well.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

It will probably be the excuse NATO need to bring in even more NATO members to protect Turkey.

You keep talking about NATO as though it were a single human being calling the shots. Trust me, NATO does not really want to get involved. Some member states feel obliged to take a hard line against "terror" at the moment. Pretty sure none of the member states want to back Erdogan unconditionally.

That is true. within NATO there are members who dont agree on all the aspects of these events. But still they stand together as one allience behind Turkey. That is the main thing. It doesnt matter if some disagree if they in the end stand United.

Even Jens Stoltenberg said that there were conflicts of interests within NATO.

PS. You dont know what NATO wants or what NATO goals are unless you participate in all their behind closed door Meetings.

a reply to: Ploutonas

apparently the Peshmerga (Iraqi Kurds) are not that good friends with the Turkish Kurds, and they have been critisizing the Turkish PKK a lot.

In addition, the Peshmerga drill up a lot more oil than Daesh, and given the sactions of Russia, Erdogan is trying to diversify their sources for oil and gas (and that's why Turkey has signed an additional agreement with Qatar). In the chess game that the ME currently is, Erdogan has made his move... securing Turkey's oil interests...

a reply to: whismermill

so its kurds who like turkish... ok!

We have 2 fresh news combined into 1 article. One of those concerns Americans. Its a combined article so these news are included in the bellow link

Iraq will request help from Russia against Turks(!)

American air fighters bombarded the Syrian army (a military camp) . Russia took emergency measures after the Americans throw some bombs into Syrian army.

Ive said it in the past, Turks in a recent interview, they called the Asad government and army as ISIS. And it gives the idea that for American army isis is not the fanatic islamists who travel from all over the globe into Syria and kill syrians. But its Syrians instead.
This article is exactly what I mean in the above paragraph (who is bombing who inside Syria) a huge confusion in the public... link The article states how many raids Western alliance did the last few weeks and how many raids Russians did, focusing in the "western alliance accidents".

Anyway, the article have an auto-translate option, click your flag located under the main article title and picture.

link

We also have news that 3 syrians died from the bombings and 13-14 injured, some articles report 14.

a reply to: MrSpad

Hasn't this always been like that? mosul is a province with an arab population, but the surroundings has always been heavily populated by kurds who are mostly sunni muslim but also shiite muslim, yazidi and christian.

There is actually a great gain if Iraqi forces can do this on their own, so far, they have been making good progress because ISIS has lost a lot of terrain in Iraq.
And yes, with the help of the west since they formally requested for military assistance, but that is air support, not boots on the ground.
Despite years of unrest and suicide bombings, i'm of the notion that we will see Iraq stand on its own feet again.
Not every muslim has the same view as extremists, so we differ on the notion of another civil war.

One thing should be absolutely clear, this is a sovereign country, they have requested military assistance but everything the coalition does should be based on instructions from the Iraqi forces and in accordance with the Iraqi government.
The US or Turkey cannot and should not determine their own course without coordination with the Iraqi government.

a reply to: spy66

That is true. within NATO there are members who dont agree on all the aspects of these events. But still they stand together as one allience behind Turkey. That is the main thing. It doesnt matter if some disagree if they in the end stand United.

But they don't stand united. Very few political leaders of NATO member states like Erdogan's Islamist government: there's a reason why Turkey is not in the EU. Because of Turkey's escalation in Syria, NATO would not back it if it invokes Article V. You need to find a new super-villain.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

That is true. within NATO there are members who dont agree on all the aspects of these events. But still they stand together as one allience behind Turkey. That is the main thing. It doesnt matter if some disagree if they in the end stand United.

But they don't stand united. Very few political leaders of NATO member states like Erdogan's Islamist government: there's a reason why Turkey is not in the EU. Because of Turkey's escalation in Syria, NATO would not back it if it invokes Article V. You need to find a new super-villain.

They do stand United dispite not agreeing on everything. Because Turkey is a valuable geopolitical nation for NATO and the EU. That is the main reason NATO support Turkey. They dont like Turkey, but that dosent matter when its Strategic location means more.

Turkey knows this and use it for what it is Worth. NATO will never let Russia get a hold of Turkey.

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

That is true. within NATO there are members who dont agree on all the aspects of these events. But still they stand together as one allience behind Turkey. That is the main thing. It doesnt matter if some disagree if they in the end stand United.

But they don't stand united. Very few political leaders of NATO member states like Erdogan's Islamist government: there's a reason why Turkey is not in the EU. Because of Turkey's escalation in Syria, NATO would not back it if it invokes Article V. You need to find a new super-villain.

They do stand United dispite not agreeing on everything. Because Turkey is a valuable geopolitical nation for NATO and the EU. That is the main reason NATO support Turkey. They dont like Turkey, but that dosent matter when its Strategic location means more.

Turkey knows this and use it for what it is Worth. NATO will never let Russia get a hold of Turkey.

That does n't mean they have to stand with Erdogan.

originally posted by: DJW001

originally posted by: spy66

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: spy66

That is true. within NATO there are members who dont agree on all the aspects of these events. But still they stand together as one allience behind Turkey. That is the main thing. It doesnt matter if some disagree if they in the end stand United.

But they don't stand united. Very few political leaders of NATO member states like Erdogan's Islamist government: there's a reason why Turkey is not in the EU. Because of Turkey's escalation in Syria, NATO would not back it if it invokes Article V. You need to find a new super-villain.

They do stand United dispite not agreeing on everything. Because Turkey is a valuable geopolitical nation for NATO and the EU. That is the main reason NATO support Turkey. They dont like Turkey, but that dosent matter when its Strategic location means more.

Turkey knows this and use it for what it is Worth. NATO will never let Russia get a hold of Turkey.

That does n't mean they have to stand with Erdogan.

It is exactly what it means as long as he runs the Circus in Turkey.

Today the US asked Norway to help out in Syria. The odd thing is that the US did not spesifically mention against ISIS. That was brought to Our attention.

We will probably send 6 to 10 F-16s to Cypros, where we also were stationed when we helped the US to bomb Libya.

This is what is happening.

- Right now the US are building up their alliences to Counter Russia. The argument used is to fight ISIS. But to fight ISIS is not the real strategy. The strategy is to Counter Russia. Because Syria is all about who controlls Syria. The US allience is a buildt up of a imidiate responds force. The US need this imidate responds force in Place, becasue mobing NATO forces will take time. And it would be difficult to get NATO forces in after the SH....t hit the fan.

- As a back up the US have NATO Cooperation With Turkey. Turkey is going to be used by the US to provoke and poke Russia. And that is exactly what is happening. And Erdogan is the perfect clown to do the job on behalf of US interests in Syira.

a reply to: spy66

there is a topic about it www.abovetopsecret.com... , but also my prev comment have this news, US airfighters attacked syrian army. But few hours later they also killed 40 women and children in a non isis territory.

It seems Russia with Iran and Syria, will create a noflight zone even for west.


li nk

Maybe thats why Russia send 50 ships in Caspian seas...

a reply to: spy66

It is exactly what it means as long as he runs the Circus in Turkey.

Ah! So you don't really believe that the United States can instigate regime change by underhanded methods?

breaking news just now! Russia announced support for IRAQ against Turks, if Turks attack the iraqi military that will attempt to escort Turks out from Iraqi borders. link

ps: sorry for the many comments, the news appear like crazy and I only transfer them here. (its breaking news 10 min ago)

originally posted by: Ploutonas
Also breaking news just now! Russia announced support for IRAQ against Turks, if Turks attack the iraqi military that will attempt to escort Turks out from Iraqi borders. link

ps: sorry for the many comments, the news appear like crazy and I only transfer them here.

Somewhat ambiguously. It's interesting that Baghdad and Moscow seem more concerned by Turkey helping the Kurds than they are by Daesh holding Iraq's second largest city and the surrounding oil fields....

originally posted by: Ploutonas
a reply to: MrSpad

My only disagreement with what you've wrote is about the Kurds. I am not an expert in Turkish interests, but in our records Turks and Kurds are killing each other. Very recently Turks bombarded small villages with Kurdish women and children within Turkey! Also Turks are trying to avoid the american plans for a Kurdish state that will shrink turkish borders.

So its hard for me to believe that Turks violated another country land, in order to train and protect the ones who kill within Turkish borders and Syria (lets not forget that Kurds in Syria, also killing Turks), Russia aids and trains the Kurds within Syria to fight Isis as well.

The Iraqi Kurds are long time Turkish allies just the Turkish Kurds are enemies of Turkey. The Kurds until the threat of ISIS spent most of the time fighting each other. These are the same Kurds that are backing Turkey again Russia ISIS oil claims Kurds deny Russian ISIS oil charges against Turkey.

This is one reason people get so confused about sides in Syria in Iraq. Their are many many factions all fighting for their own causes.

originally posted by: earthling42
a reply to: MrSpad

Hasn't this always been like that? mosul is a province with an arab population, but the surroundings has always been heavily populated by kurds who are mostly sunni muslim but also shiite muslim, yazidi and christian.

There is actually a great gain if Iraqi forces can do this on their own, so far, they have been making good progress because ISIS has lost a lot of terrain in Iraq.
And yes, with the help of the west since they formally requested for military assistance, but that is air support, not boots on the ground.
Despite years of unrest and suicide bombings, i'm of the notion that we will see Iraq stand on its own feet again.
Not every muslim has the same view as extremists, so we differ on the notion of another civil war.

One thing should be absolutely clear, this is a sovereign country, they have requested military assistance but everything the coalition does should be based on instructions from the Iraqi forces and in accordance with the Iraqi government.
The US or Turkey cannot and should not determine their own course without coordination with the Iraqi government.

Well the problem is Iraq is thinking post ISIS already. If a Turkish backed force of Kurds and Sunni Iraqi's take back Mosul while the Iraqi Shia forces have been unable Mosul will become a negotiating piece down the road. The Kurds already consider themselves independent of Iraq and have been acting that way for almost 2 decades. They know once ISIS is gone Iraq is going to want either to bring the Kurds back under control which is not likely or to at least limit the territory they have. At the same time unless the Iraqi government changes the Sunnis are likely to want their own state as well. Iraq as a nation is dead. It end up being two or three nations at the end. Mosul in Kurdish Sunni hands is not something the Iraqi Shia want to deal with. Of course with the Turks backing the Kurds and Sunni's it is clear that Turkey as also preparing for the post ISIS in Iraq. And would like to have to partner nations along its borders.

The problem for Iraq is even if the Turks pull out they can still leave advisers and tons of weapons making the Kurds and Sunnis a real problem for Iraq.