Two Eyewitnesses Affirm CA Shooters were 3 WHITE MaleS

a reply to: ReadLeader

We all distinctly heard "3" or at least think we did...at first it was more likely reported "2 or 3 shooters" which became "up to 3 shooters" then eventually "3 shooters" - that's what was reported over and over and over, by media and officals

As for hearing "zip, nada, ziltcho" about anyone besides the husband & wife, by the end of the first search the authorities determined there were in fact only the 2, so what more is there to say?

a reply to: mandelaeffect

Even on the radio they said there were three shooters. At first it was 1-3 shooters for the first couple hours or so, but then it was confirmed to be three.

How do we know there were more gunmen? Because there are almost always more gunmen:


8-1-66 U of Texas/Austin Tower Sniper
Officially one lone gunman

www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy1B5mfzCBA
"I looked up there on the north end there's the one shot, then right in the middle there's a shot, then on the south end there was a shot. ...I thought there was at least three of them right there, you know."
--"There were shots coming from everywhere. ... It looked like a gang of people up there."

2-28-97 North Hollywood Bank Shootout, Los Angeles, CA
Officially two lone gunman

LA Times
"Lawyers on both sides acknowledged outside court that they believe there were five to six people involved..."
witness: "..there WERE a total of 5 armed robbers"

3-28-98 Westside Middle School near Jonesboro, AS
Officially two lone gunman

www.nap.edu...
"According to witnesses, many of the students knew immediately who was responsible for the shooting, ... naming Andrew Golden, Mitchell Johnson, and a third shooter, reported to be an older student at a nearby high school."

4-20-99 Columbine High School, Jefferson County, CO
Officially two lone gunman

signofthetimes.yuku.com...
Twenty minutes after the incident began, JeffCo. Lt. Manwaring "advised him(JCSO Vincent DiManna) there were as many as seven gunmen inside the cafeteria and commons area."

4-26-02 Gutenburg Gymansium, Erfurt, Germany
Officially one lone gunman

Spiegal, 19/2002
"A few teachers and students are certain that there was a second shooter, who escaped with the fleeing students..."

4-13-06 Dawson College, Montreal, Canada
Officially one lone gunman

www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/09/13/shots-dawson.html
"At one point, police had told local media outlets that two gunmen were dead and a third was still at large."

2-12-07 Trolley Square massacre, Salt Lake City, UT
Officially one lone gunman

www.sltrib.com/ci_5214340
"After police had shot dead the suspected shooter, police warned of a second shooter on the second floor of the mall."

4-16-07 Virginia Tech, Blacksburg, VA
Officially one lone gunman

www.washingtonpost.com/wp...00763.html
"Planet Blacksburg reports two additional people taken into custody."
"People are reporting seeing two different shooters... "
"...at one point three people were seen being escorted away from Norris Hall... in handcuffs."

12-4-07 Westroads Mall, Omaha, NB
Officially one lone gunman

disc.yourwebapps.com...
"Breaking: Two men arrested in military fatigues in shopping mall shooting spree. 'Guys dressed in camouflage, with guns, leaving a school bus, acting suspiciously before the shooting.' "

12-9-07 YWAM/New Life Church, Denver, CO
Officially one lone gunman

www.freerepublic.com/focu...&;page=451
"740 AM radio reports Two gunmen One is shot dead the other taken into custody inside the church."
"...there were concerns that there were as many as two or three more people involved... "

3-11-09 Albertville-Realschule, Winnenden, Germany
Officially one lone gunman

www.stern.de...:grin:er-Amoklauf-Winnenden-Er/657536.html
"The parents who were waiting for their children talked about a second gunman."

4-30-09 State Oil Academy, Baku, Azerbaijan
Officially one lone gunman

www.postchronicle.com...
"Students who witnessed the rampage spoke of two attackers..."

11-5-09 Ft. Hood, TX
Officially one lone gunman

www.foxnews.com...
"All three of the people believed to have carried out the shooting were soldiers, Lt. General Bob Cone told reporters Thursday evening."

1-12-10 UofA/Huntsville
Officially one lone gunwoman

www.abovetopsecret.com...
"The local CBS affiliate is saying there were two shooters"

1-8-11 Tucson/Giffords shooting, AZ
Officially one lone gunman

signofthetimes.yuku.com...
Witnesses clearly described another suspect with a gun.

7-22-11 Oslo/Utoya Island slaughter, Norway
Officially one lone gunman

www.tv2.no...
"We also received conflicting messages, between two and five assailants with assault rifles ... said chief of staff Magne Rustad at Nordre Buskerud Police District."

12-13-11 Liege, Belgium gun/grenade attack
Officially one lone gunman

jackpotinvestor.com...
"The daily newspapers Le Soir and La Capitale reported that three assailants threw grenades into a crowd at the bus shelter and opened fire with guns."

7-20-12 Aurora Batman Shooting, Colorado
Officially one lone gunman

www.ibtimes.co.uk...
"Local media report that two gunmen went on the rampage, both wearing gas masks. One of the gunmen is now in custody, and police are searching for the other."

8-5-12 Sikh Temple Shooting, Wisconsin
Officially one lone gunman

www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ecdSKi9_fs&feature=player_embedded
"An eyewitness reports that the massacre was committed by four white males dressed in black clothing."

12-11-12 Clackamas Town Center Mall, Oregon
Officially one lone gunman

signofthetimes.yuku.com...
A man wearing a mask and all black opens fire. Two other men wearing masks and all black are seen at the same location and at the same time.

12-14-12 Sandy Hook Elementary, Connecticut
Officially one lone gunman

hypervocal.com...
"The Hartford Courant and ABC News are both reporting there were two shooters."

4-9-13 Lone Star College CY-Fair, Houston, Texas
Officially one lone knifeman

freerepublic.com... KHOU-TV
“Two of the victims here are saying there’s two different guys stabbing people."

6-7-13 Santa Monica Community College, CA
Officially one lone gunman

www.capitalbay.com... e-he-was-angry-at-parents-divorce.html
"An eyewitness told ABC7 cameraman Shawn McCarthy that there was indeed a second gunman who opened fire a few blocks to the east of the schools south campus."

9-16-13 Washington DC Navy Yard Shooting
Officially one lone gunman

www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/liveblog/wp/2013/09/16/shooting-at-washington-navy-yard/#liveblog-entry-17645
"Three shooters are involved in the Navy Yard shooting, a police spokeswoman said. One of the shooters is “down,” police said, but two remain in a building on the grounds."

11-1-13 LAX shooting
Officially one lone gunman

www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3086438/posts?q=1&;page=51
posters
"Channel 2 in L.A. is reporting that two armed suspects dressed in camouflage clothing entered Terminal 3 and opened fire..."

11-4-13 Westfield Shopping Mall, New Jersey
Officially one lone gunman

newyork.cbslocal.com...
" “There was two people in armored suits with AK-47s just going around shooting people randomly,” she said."

5-23-14 Isla Vista, Santa Barbara, CA
Officially one lone gunman

hollywoodlife.com...
"Multiple witnesses say that they saw two people inside of the suspect’s BMW."

6-10-14 Reynolds High School, Portland, OR
Officially one lone gunman

q13fox.com...
"BREAKING: Police report 3 shooters at Reynolds HS; 2 fled the scene."

It's not just them, on the radio that night I listened to a few women stating that they saw white men. I thought it was weird, because immediately afterward the broadcaster totally ignored their comment about the men.

a reply to: JohnFisher

It was confirmed that they "were looking for three shooters" ... not the same as "there are three shooters"

Radio, TV, 'Net ... they all repeat what usually just one/the latest source provides. It's not like the radio news announcer was there or even had a crack team of Lois Lane like reporters ducking in to the crime scene getting some scoop.

We really have to stop throwing around the term "confirmed" when it comes to news that is still unfolding. That sounds too official when it may not be. This was "confirmed" that was "confirmed"...oh yeah, by who? Just one guy walking by? A victim? I say it was NEVER confirmed by the police, FBI, NSA, etc that there were 3 shooters. Maybe they confirmed "some witnesses reported 3 shooters" but are those witnesses reliable? That's pretty important in my book.

a reply to: mandelaeffect

You do realize, I hope, that two of the suspects were caught and killed in a shootout. Understand, also, that once the shooters were dead, their nationality was easy to define. Heh

originally posted by: VoidHawk

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: charolais
So we lose our ability to count to three when we're scared? Sorry, but I'm having a bit of trouble accepting that premise. Giving minute details---yeah, I'll go with that but the simple act of counting the number of people seen fleeing isn't something that goes awry with an adrenaline rush.

Dont let them get you off topic

Sandy Hook. Remember the video we all saw of police hunting people in the woods? But it was blamed on one person.

That cinema shooting, that too had more than enough evidence of others being involved. But only one person went to court.

Man I completely forgot about that suspect that was said to have ran into the woods after the Sandy Hook shooting...

originally posted by: jordandyer
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

I think they could literally show the video of the "three white males" walking into the building shooting 50 people and walking out and people would still pin it on Mr. and Mrs. Farook.

The same two Farooks that were shooting at the police? I'm glad those two terrorists were killed.

The government would not admit there were 3 shooters who got away or even 1. The talk of two planned strikes may have well been correct. There could be many things in the investigations behind scenes but we will not be told.

originally posted by: Sunwolf
Whatever happened to the go pro cameras they were said to be wearing?That is a very interesting aspect.

The feds are probably trying to round some up that some white guys were wearing so they can pin it on three white men.

A few things:

1) Many of us were reporting the event LIVE on ATS, while listening to the open police channels...the issue of THREE shooters were on the radios for hours....it became two.

2) The 'shootout" was listened to live. So the possibility that Tashfeen and Farook were' framed" is kind of absurd, since we literally heard the gunfire on the radio and these two were out driving in their truck. Did someone PLACE guns in their hands and force them to drive? Hard to believe.

3) Possibility they could have been patsies in an OP, were armed to do something else, and actually WORKED for the Government.

4) There's issues with TASHFEEN MALIK'S identity and PHOTO ID. Something is off.

It's possible they were part of an OP and were Patsies. But they were definitely THERE and involved. Patsies MAYBE, completely framed and uninvolved...not likely.

Also:

1) The main woman claiming THREE WHITE shooters is Sally Abdelmageed. Name origin? Ehtnicity? Religious slant?
To be considered. Possible bias

2) Listen to the recordings of neighbors on YouTube. does the audio match the weapons? I heard some fully auto bursts. Was it the police using full auto? The perps? The exchange recorded tells a story too. I wish some vets or weapon experts would analyze the audio.

During the course of the event, I watched and listened to coverage as it unfolded. For the entire time the discussion was that there were 3 shooters. What was made very clear however was that these shooters were wearing lots of clothing and tactical gear and were also masked. All of the reporting and police statements said that they had no additional information to release because no one could identify the shooters.
The SUV was mentioned and obviously the police were looking for it.
I think its quite possible that the third shooter indeed escaped and may in fact be the "friend" that is supposed to be in a medical facility right now. The police are still trying to get to him and ask about the fact that he purchased the rifles used in the attack.
I honestly expected that the SUV that was attacked (I have no other word for it) would be a few gang bangers cruising the wrong area. I thought the cops tried to pull them over and they were riding with guns and drugs and so they shot it out. I expected the over-zealous reaction of LEO's. So I was surprised that it turned out to be a man and his wife that had connections to the attack. Nothing that happened however leads me to believe that the police somehow got the wrong guy.
A female in fatigues and tactical gear, forgive the expression loses a lot of her female shape. She would be easy to mistake for a male if she was masked up.
So while I do in fact believe that there is a third shooter out there I am fully satisfied that the cops got the other two.

The thing that I find a little fishy is how come they were only a couple miles away from the place of the shooting after more than 3 hours later? Where did the couple go during those 3+ hours? The police were using Syed Fyrooks name from the very beginning of the incident... I would imagine police went to their house very soon after the shooting??

Were they driving around in circles for hours before being (caught)?

a reply to: mandelaeffect

Why has this been placed in skunksworks?

^controlled opposition protocols maybe? wheres the OP?!

a reply to: charolais

Thats a good question and I think it leads us to a third shooter. The story that was reported was that the police went to the home of "someone connected' (this may have been the Farook residence) and that the shooters were there but fled just as the cops arrived. This is what sparked the chase in the SUV.

What we are not sure of is what home did they go to?

originally posted by: Dragoon01
a reply to: charolais
What we are not sure of is what home did they go to?

It was reported at the time that the residence where they were discovered belonged to Farook's parents, though other info indicated the parents lived in Irvine, at least 40 miles away. So who knows--this story is all over the place.

a reply to: mandelaeffect

So we got the whole world identifying the man and woman as the shooters, but because these 2 guys say otherwise, we're supposed to believe we're being lied to by the media, government, police, family of accused, etc....

Instead of trying to find conspiracies in EVERYTHING, maybe focus some of your energies on solving real problems, instead of the phoney ones being feed to you by Prison Planet, Breitbart, FOX'NEWS" and donald trump. You sound like a 12 year old.