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posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: game over man


I don't know why people get upset if more laws and security gets put into place, it's for our protection and our freedom.


Because at what point do you say enough is enough?

Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither.

You would be safer if you never left your house, never got off your bed, etc., but you aren't exactly living your life either.




posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:34 PM
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a reply to: game over man

All you have to do to be put on the no fly list is to share a name -literally, only a name- with a suspected possible terrorist. Meaning if there's a suspected terrorist with the name "John Smith", then no John Smith will have 2nd Amendment rights.

I know I'm not on the no-fly list (I know this because I can fly - on planes, of course), but I've got a few name dopplegangers out there. They'd better keep their noses clean, for my sake.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

How do you boil a frog?
Toss him into a pot of boiling water...he hops right out.
Put him in a pot of room-temperature water...and turn the the heat up gradually, degree by degree,...and his a** is cooked!
THAT's how government regulations and restrictions are boiling us.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:40 PM
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For the moment these terrorists are content using guns and bombs. And if their only motive is to create Terror than it is probably enough, but sooner or later they are going to figure out that there are more effective ways to kill off mass amounts of people.

I would rather see our money spent on protecting our power grid or adding safety measures to protect our food and water supplies. These seem like really vulnerable areas.

Creating more useless gun laws, seems like a distraction from doing something that really could make us safer.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:41 PM
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Then we have lost. Terrorism and fear have won because we let fear bring us to the point that we are willing to turn on each other.

I have to disagree with you on this. I don't think most people are afraid, maybe a bit pissed off, but not afraid.

To be honest we may be better off if more people are afraid. A pissed off, person that feels they have lost too much, is not going to cower, and wait for what little they have left to be taken. The radical Islamist are willing to die for Islam and a life in paradise, and the anti-radical Islamist is willing to die for family, country, and life here on Earth.

It is not a matter of fear. It is a matter of culture and beliefs. Trouble is there are no winners, because dead is dead.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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Creating more useless gun laws, seems like a distraction from doing something that really could make us safer.


I agree, but what would make us safer ?



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:43 PM
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Bombs are ILLEGAL too. In fact BOMBS are terrorists preferred weapon.

Just ask Tsarnev's.

There is nothing you can do to defend against that.

No lists.

NOTHING.
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posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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And in case the subtle facts didn't sink in on the no fly list...the SB shooters were not on the no fly list, nor was the Planned Parenthood shooter, nor were the Boston Marathon Bombers, nor Adam Lanza, nor the Colorado Movie Theater shooter...I could make a very, very long list here but I think even the most dense can get the gist here.

And like others have already said, there is no due process to being added to the no fly list. With the stroke of a pen (and his phone) Obama could add the membership of ATS to that list on a whim. Like I said to another staffer recently, Obama is less like Hitler and more like Hindenburg who altered things at will.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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Protecting the grid, should be our first priority. It is estimated that 90% will die if we loose the grid. And now that the power companies are interconnected via computers, it wouldnt be hard to crash the whole thing.

A few well placed bombs, detonated over America could cause a collapse of the grid. According to a interview on Coast to Coast last week.
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posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:46 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: game over man


I don't know why people get upset if more laws and security gets put into place, it's for our protection and our freedom.


Because at what point do you say enough is enough?

Those who give up liberty for safety deserve neither.

You would be safer if you never left your house, never got off your bed, etc., but you aren't exactly living your life either.




Enough is enough? What do you mean? They aren't doing anything obviously. There is more news about the police killing and beating people up. I'd rather them do less of that and more capturing terrorist in the midst of plotting their attack before the terrorist actually do go on a killing spree.

I don't think you understand, the police already circle the block and are trying to make arrests and give out tickets non-stop. I'd rather them use what technology they have access to and capture terrorist instead of ticketing and arresting non-threatening citizens.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:50 PM
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originally posted by: dogstar23
a reply to: game over man

All you have to do to be put on the no fly list is to share a name -literally, only a name- with a suspected possible terrorist. Meaning if there's a suspected terrorist with the name "John Smith", then no John Smith will have 2nd Amendment rights.

I know I'm not on the no-fly list (I know this because I can fly - on planes, of course), but I've got a few name dopplegangers out there. They'd better keep their noses clean, for my sake.


Share a name with a terrorist! You also have a SS # and birth certificate to prove you aren't a terrorist. Do you know how many people in the US share the same name? People in America lose their first amendment right all the time, all the time.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:55 PM
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Do you know how many people share a SSN?



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:55 PM
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There are a lot of things that can be done to make you safer.

You could have to pass a state approved security vetting. You could have you movements restricted based on that and have to carry your papers around with you to prove you passed. You would have to give up your vehicle if you don't pass. You could have to submit to a curfew. You could have to submit your home to random inspections by LEOs if you don't pass. You could have to have your papers inspected on a whim by any LEO who decides to demand them anytime, anywhere. You could be refused certain lines of work. You could be forced to live in certain areas. You could be removed from the general population ...

At what point is your safety worth the loss of liberty because like it or not, every law that is passed involves a loss of liberty, if not directly for you than for someone else.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 08:56 PM
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How many illegals have stolen how many SSN over the years?



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 09:00 PM
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There are a lot of things that can be done to make you safer.


Yep another of which is our government stop interfering in a Muslim civil war, and arming terrorists.

Because they believe that crap of 'The enemy of my enemy is my 'friend''. crapola.

That would go along way.

Another one is add those terrorist the House of Saud to a list called the state sponsors of terrorism.

Then follow that up with their 'allies', and to top it off. Add their cousins the Iranians.

That would go along way to making us safer.

Instead of trying to deny our constitutional rights.
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posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 09:06 PM
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Grid or no grid, there are around 20 bridges guarded by nothing but a video camera (but not all of them) if removed from operation would end logistic transportation nationwide. NYC would be completely out of food within 48-72 hours. Smaller cities like DC might make it to 5 days. But even the smallest towns would be out within 10-14 days.

Sure, there are detours and alternate routes but you are still looking at an incredible death toll. And months to repair/replace those bridges if you could keep people on the job.

No electricity takes about a month except in large cities to work up the high death toll. And people can adapt fairly well if they understand the situation. I went 8 months without it. Cooked over a single burner propane stove. Soups and canned goods with the occasional take out meal.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 09:13 PM
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Now this is how one goes about fighting 'terrorism.

German Vice Chancellor warns Saudi Arabia over Islamist funding

The German Vice Chancellor calls it out.

Obama wants to make besties.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 09:22 PM
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Obama talked about tightening Visa restrictions tonight, BUT it was the Obama administration that LOOSENED restrictions on the Fiance' VISA (K-1) program, that brought Malik into the country, even though she gave false information.


The 90-day fiancé visa supposedly requires a passport, police certificates from the country of residence, medical examination records, evidence of financial support, and evidence of meeting and having a relationship with an American fiancé. But the Obama administration streamlined the process so that it can all be accomplished completely online.

That change ended the requirement that an applicant must visit a U.S. embassy where he or she would be photographed and had their fingerprints taken in person.


www.breitbart.com...
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posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 09:27 PM
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originally posted by: game over man
I don't know why people get upset if more laws and security gets put into place, it's for our protection and our freedom.


The problem with this is that , you have to place 100% trust in the people that are making these laws and securities, and the people enforcing them...

You have to 100% trust that they actually have our best interest at heart and not their own agenda...

Can you say you trust them 100% to do that?

Because I don't not for 1 second..



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 09:30 PM
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Let's see...



While it’s reasonable to estimate that there are 700,000 people on this list, only a small fraction are American citizens or legal residents. Experts said it’s likely that only about 10,000 are Americans, while the rest are foreigners.

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Out of 318 MILLION people. 10,000 citizens are on the list. And out of those 10,000 -- how many are on there falsely? And out of those that are on the list falsely, how many are buying guns?

We're probably talking about a 100 people AT MOST that would get turned down when trying to buy a gun from a store, or someplace where background checks are done.

I've personally known several people who "just gave some guy I know some money" and bought a gun that way. Friends selling friends guns, family members passing away and the guns get handed down. A lot of guns get moved around that way too, and that never gets mentioned or addressed.
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