Texas Secession Passes State Republican Party Resolutions Committee Vote

originally posted by: Kuroodo
Mexico invaded and the US just watched and laugh, then Mexico gave Texas back to the US in a trade agreement

Isn't that happening now

They wanna leave I say let them leave.


However we all know the USA would never let them go! They would have to fight thier way out and even then they would be nuked from orbit if they ever started to win.


So no they wont be leaving now or ever! Many Americans would rather blow them up for being traitors, rather than allow them to have thier own country.

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Klassified
Instead of posturing, why doesn't Texas get other states involved and collectively file a general grievance with the Federal government?

If I remember correctly a few years back, Texas threatened to remove TSA from it's airports and go back to private contractors after some highly publicized groping incidents. Feds basically said you do that and no commercial aircraft will be allowed to fly from or to the state of Texas. They (Texas) backed down.. Moral of the story ?

Great point. Which is exactly why Texas needs a consensus of states to come together on a mutual list of grievances. Secession isn't going to happen, but a large enough group of states can get something done.

We call that a legislature and a Supreme Court.._

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Klassified
Instead of posturing, why doesn't Texas get other states involved and collectively file a general grievance with the Federal government?

If I remember correctly a few years back, Texas threatened to remove TSA from it's airports and go back to private contractors after some highly publicized groping incidents. Feds basically said you do that and no commercial aircraft will be allowed to fly from or to the state of Texas. They (Texas) backed down.. Moral of the story ?

I don't want to visit the USA, but Texas, yes

uhhhh.....Texas currently is still part of the USA. I hope the Republican do put succession on the ballot. Not all Texans are fools. As a born and raised Texas farmer.....we've grown to like the federal agricultural subsides, soil banks, oil leases, price supports, etc.

Secession is just pandering by the GOP....anyone in business knows that.

grist.org...

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: EvillerBob
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Now, if Texas came to a point where secession was a serious possibility... would any bordering states consider abandoning the Union and creating an alternative union with Texas?

Legal frameworks only work when they're enforced. What happens when a state decides to stick two fingers up to Washington and throw their lot in with Austin?

I'm a born and bred Texan, still own property in the panhandle and chose to live in a state bordering Texas, NM. We would never Join a break away union with Texas. That would just be plain stupid. The Republicans pushing for secession know full well it's impossible. A clear cut case of "All Hat, no cattle"

I feel blessed that I don't have to live in Texas and put up with that Conservative, Right Wing, Christian BS. That's why I left; if you don't conform to their ridged ideology, theology and dogma you are ostracized. Freedom in Texas....yeah right!

Boy, you liberal born-and-bred Texans, the way you are explaining Texas, is making me wanna move there.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Klassified
Instead of posturing, why doesn't Texas get other states involved and collectively file a general grievance with the Federal government?

If I remember correctly a few years back, Texas threatened to remove TSA from it's airports and go back to private contractors after some highly publicized groping incidents. Feds basically said you do that and no commercial aircraft will be allowed to fly from or to the state of Texas. They (Texas) backed down.. Moral of the story ?

I don't want to visit the USA, but Texas, yes

uhhhh.....Texas currently is still part of the USA. I hope the Republican do put succession on the ballot. Not all Texans are fools. As a born and raised Texas farmer.....we've grown to like the federal agricultural subsides, soil banks, oil leases, price supports, etc.

Secession is just pandering by the GOP....anyone in business knows that.

grist.org...

So you like being taxed by your federal government so you can receive some back.
What percentage are the subsidies compared to taxes.
I don't want a specific answer

originally posted by: Rezlooper

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: EvillerBob
a reply to: TrueAmerican

Now, if Texas came to a point where secession was a serious possibility... would any bordering states consider abandoning the Union and creating an alternative union with Texas?

Legal frameworks only work when they're enforced. What happens when a state decides to stick two fingers up to Washington and throw their lot in with Austin?

I'm a born and bred Texan, still own property in the panhandle and chose to live in a state bordering Texas, NM. We would never Join a break away union with Texas. That would just be plain stupid. The Republicans pushing for secession know full well it's impossible. A clear cut case of "All Hat, no cattle"

I feel blessed that I don't have to live in Texas and put up with that Conservative, Right Wing, Christian BS. That's why I left; if you don't conform to their ridged ideology, theology and dogma you are ostracized. Freedom in Texas....yeah right!

Boy, you liberal born-and-bred Texans, the way you are explaining Texas, is making me wanna move there.

Who you callin BOY, boy, and what in the hell makes you think we would let you in?

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Klassified
Instead of posturing, why doesn't Texas get other states involved and collectively file a general grievance with the Federal government?

If I remember correctly a few years back, Texas threatened to remove TSA from it's airports and go back to private contractors after some highly publicized groping incidents. Feds basically said you do that and no commercial aircraft will be allowed to fly from or to the state of Texas. They (Texas) backed down.. Moral of the story ?

I don't want to visit the USA, but Texas, yes

uhhhh.....Texas currently is still part of the USA. I hope the Republican do put succession on the ballot. Not all Texans are fools. As a born and raised Texas farmer.....we've grown to like the federal agricultural subsides, soil banks, oil leases, price supports, etc.

Secession is just pandering by the GOP....anyone in business knows that.

grist.org...

So you like being taxed by your federal government so you can receive some back.
What percentage are the subsidies compared to taxes.
I don't want a specific answer

Son, if you ever do come to Texas....you will get a quick lesson in minding YOUR OWN business. **** off! Your assumptions are pure BS.

I think what many are not counting on is the vast numbers of people in others states that would flood Texas to get away from the Federal government. I think Texas as an independent country could do alright in time. Heck, I would consider packing my bags and throw in with them much like Davy Crockett did except is too damn hot down there for me and I really hated the smell of the Rio Grand.

And as many times as I got stuck going down to Laredo, I count myself fortunate that I only had to stay over night twice. San Antonio I didn't mind so much other than the heat during the day.

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: olaru12

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Klassified
Instead of posturing, why doesn't Texas get other states involved and collectively file a general grievance with the Federal government?

If I remember correctly a few years back, Texas threatened to remove TSA from it's airports and go back to private contractors after some highly publicized groping incidents. Feds basically said you do that and no commercial aircraft will be allowed to fly from or to the state of Texas. They (Texas) backed down.. Moral of the story ?

I don't want to visit the USA, but Texas, yes

uhhhh.....Texas currently is still part of the USA. I hope the Republican do put succession on the ballot. Not all Texans are fools. As a born and raised Texas farmer.....we've grown to like the federal agricultural subsides, soil banks, oil leases, price supports, etc.

Secession is just pandering by the GOP....anyone in business knows that.

grist.org...

So you like being taxed by your federal government so you can receive some back.
What percentage are the subsidies compared to taxes.
I don't want a specific answer

Son, if you ever do come to Texas....you will get a quick lesson in minding YOUR OWN business. **** off! Your assumptions are pure BS.

Bites hard doesn't it, giving all your money away and getting scraps back

now you yawn, you have woken up

Alternately, if you get more than you give, hey welfare Is part of community support

Little man with a little state attitude

Don't get upset, I am just a nobody on the Internet, you take this far to personal

i noticed the knee jerk reaction here is "secede? that's stupid." maybe. maybe not.

BUT

www.cnsnews.com...

back in june, the governor made a gold bullion depository in texas so they could make a currency backed by gold and other precious metals. i don't know how many of you have studied the problems of fiat currency.

texas currently has no state income tax and a very small sales tax, generating most of its revenue from property taxes. they could conceivably collect the taxes that normally go to the federal government AND then increase state tax levels quite a bit and still have taxes lower than places like illinois.

texas is large and has many resources. its economy isn't perfect, but it's better than a lot of other states.

also, it's a big state, larger in size and economic power than many countries. it has excellent infrastructure (for as long as people drive cars). it also has a large agricultural base.

there are problems, though. most of its oil revenue now comes from fracking. fracked oil isn't going to last nearly as long as most people think. the wells have very high depletion rates. they could increase deep water drilling, but that's probably not a good idea. the oil revenue makes texas's books look a lot better than they will be in 20 years. so if they do secede, in all likelihood, it probably won't change things as much as anyone thinks.

i AM curious about how many people would vote for a secession. me, personally, am more interested in acquiring texas dollars than a texas citizenship. i was born in texas. i live in illinois now. if i was asked to vote, today, i'd say don't secede. but based on the direction this country is headed, (economically and infrastructurally) in 10 years, if trends continue as they have, i might be tempted to vote yes. and i'm pretty sure if texas seceded, the amount of people flowing out of texas would be balanced by those flowing in. and of course, everyone moves on their own dollar. duh. why should any government pay for that?

originally posted by: bknapple32
If you want out of the united states. Then by all means, good bye and good riddance to traitors.

I've never understood this notion. Why wish them ill will? If they don't want to be part of the US then so be it. It would be a very bad idea for them to secede, but why call them traitors for peacefully disagreeing and wanting to go in a different direction?

originally posted by: ringdingdong
We lose a 3rd of our funding, except that's just not the case cuz we don't pay federal taxes anymore. Sounds like a wash economically, and a win for liberty.

Oh and with the military stuff, one riot one ranger... all I got to say there.

Actually, it is the case. For every dollar the federal government spends in Texas, Texas is able to produce 68 cents to offset that money. The remainder, that lost third is covered by federal spending from other states. Texas is one of if not the largest welfare state in the country. In a secession 1/3 of your budget would evaporate overnight, while the borders you need to defend would more than quadruple.

If Texas were to secede it would be a very high tax, likely socialist nation within 2 years and probably with a lot of poverty. Texas is not well positioned to go it alone.

a reply to: TrueAmerican

I find it funny that according to that article, it is something that can only be decided by voter in the GOP primary. Guess only they can be considered an actual Texan...

In my opinion this would be similar to the recent Scotland independence vote:

NO 2,001,926 55.30
YES 1,617,989 44.70

www.bbc.com...

But if Texas succeeded, it would probably be peaceful and without civil war. They would soon join NATO and maintain relations with the US. Many folks who propose absurd ideas such as banning BBQ restaurants within the Austin city limits would migrate back to the US.

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Klassified
Instead of posturing, why doesn't Texas get other states involved and collectively file a general grievance with the Federal government?

If I remember correctly a few years back, Texas threatened to remove TSA from it's airports and go back to private contractors after some highly publicized groping incidents. Feds basically said you do that and no commercial aircraft will be allowed to fly from or to the state of Texas. They (Texas) backed down.. Moral of the story ?

The moral was simple sky... and the warning was publshed.
"If you secede we'll turn the whole Lone Star into a no-fly zone"
The legislature backed down, and went tuck-tailed home.
So would I ... I've seen what a Warthog can do to a Saturn.

a reply to: Aazadan

I'm calling BS on that. We were the only state in the union making bank while everyone else was treading water a few years back.

Pull out the references or I'm going to consider it nonsense.

Confirmed, complete nonsense. For every dollar we give we receive 91 cents in return.

Tax vs Aid

Low Dependence

Also, stating Texas is "one of the, if not the largest welfare state" is disingenuous. This is like stating the US is the most indebted nation in the world. Both are ranked 3rd by population, yet when you take a per capita compared to the GDP, the results become more telling and truthful.

Texas is about in the middle as far as percentage of population on SNAP. Not gonna fool me!

originally posted by: Cypress

originally posted by: Klassified

originally posted by: 727Sky

originally posted by: Klassified
Instead of posturing, why doesn't Texas get other states involved and collectively file a general grievance with the Federal government?

If I remember correctly a few years back, Texas threatened to remove TSA from it's airports and go back to private contractors after some highly publicized groping incidents. Feds basically said you do that and no commercial aircraft will be allowed to fly from or to the state of Texas. They (Texas) backed down.. Moral of the story ?

Great point. Which is exactly why Texas needs a consensus of states to come together on a mutual list of grievances. Secession isn't going to happen, but a large enough group of states can get something done.

We call that a legislature and a Supreme Court.._

Yes sir. We do.

a reply to: Aazadan

First of all. Texans oeacfully leaving the union is laughable. Second of all, they are absolutely traitors. They are american citizens openly trying not to be american anymore.

originally posted by: Ahabstar
I think what many are not counting on is the vast numbers of people in others states that would flood Texas to get away from the Federal government.

...to live under the Texas idea of Federal Government.

I think Texas as an independent country could do alright in time. Heck, I would consider packing my bags and throw in with them much like Davy Crockett did except is too damn hot down there for me and I really hated the smell of the Rio Grand.

Actually, we wouldn't. The government would be a mess while they tried to sort out borders, treaties with other countries, trading partners (because the goods and income that come here because we're part of the US would have to be renegotiated... and instead of negotiating with a major world power, they'd be negotiating with a small country with no international military forces.) We'd have to negotiate with the rest of the US for food and other goods and services.

The US military could also pull out rather than renegotiating. And Texas would have to set up immigration laws (would they let you in? You assume we would but whoever makes the laws might put up a waiting list or put up a lot of other restrictions.) NASA would probably leave. There'd be a fight over land that the Federal government currently owns and manages.

Businesses that moved here because of incentives (businesses that wanted to operate in the US) could pull out once they got taxed by The Nation of Texas.

And there'd be no money to fix our roads (which are already horrible, as you may know.) And then there's the endless arguments and gerrymandering of districts that goes on.

FURTHERMORE - right now we don't have a state tax. If we became a nation, our dear legislators would have to set up some kind of additional tax to make up for lost Federal revenue. Every time they've tried to do this, there's been a voter revolt (we don't want income taxes... we'll pay more in sales tax instead.) So either our sales taxes will rise to stupid levels OR we'll get an income tax.

Lots of disadvantages.