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San Bernardino shootings: Once again Pakistan is the source

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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 09:06 AM
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Is it not logical that the majority race will of course have the highest total of crimes, mass shootings etc? White people make up half the population and commit 50% of the murders. Now others have disproportionately high ratios and others with low. reply to: Jefferton




posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 09:29 AM
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a reply to: asen_y2k


This terrorist attack clearly shows the source of the terrorist ideology in the world, i.e Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. And these countries are suppose to be NATO allies. Hypocrisy at its finest. And I am sure, no one will do anything to change this.


This might be a bit off topic, but never in a million years would anyone be able to convince me that Pakistan wasn't aware that Bin Laden was living practically across the street from LE/military installation, and consequently complicit in his concealment.

Of course they said they didn't know, and we are too PC to call them on it.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa

originally posted by: boncho
a reply to: asen_y2k
We tried closing ourselves away from evil enemy empires, it gave us Hitler. The United Nations spring up afterwards.


lol, game, set, match... All else fails, just bring up Hitler.


Right, it's not like Hitler enacted his "struggle" against the world. Totally different than "jihad". /sarcasm
edit on 5-12-2015 by FlyingFox because: freedom



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 06:06 PM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

Two countries created from whole cloth in the 20th century along with that other country in the ME that is the source of many of the worlds problems, which was, like Pakistan, created in 1947, that is Israel.

Saudi was created in 1926


If you took away these countries I wonder would the world be at peace?


Probably not


The legacy of colonialism is still holding some countries back from progress




edit on 5-12-2015 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 06:44 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Actually the Saud family seized power much earlier than the "creation" of the country in a bloody rampage in Riyadh in the early part of the the 20th century. This was before the western powers began their wholesale redistribution of land and treasure. (Here is a link to the sanitized version of the "conquest" of Riyadh. The less sanitized version is that he and about 40 of his followers slipped into the city in the middle of the night and began raiding the homes of the rich and powerful, slitting throats of all in the household. By daybreak the city had surrendered rather than see the carnage continue.) en.wikipedia.org...

This was just his "retaking" what his family felt was theirs all along.

Go back and read the history of the entire region from the time Islam was created by a crazy, angry man. While western powers have meddled extensively over the past century, the western powers can't even begin to create the massive bloodletting that the original inhabitants practiced prior to the west's interventions. Therefore, to simply "blame colonialism" for the problems there today is silly. Rather than looking to the "legacy of colonialism" why not look to the real source of the violence---the creator of the religion of Islam. He was the one who went about slaughtering people in exactly the same manner than ISIS is operating today. These facts were taught when I was in school---back in the dark ages---before the history books were sanitized to simply say something like...."captured the city" with no mention of the barbaric means used to do so.

So no, blaming western civilization for a barbaric culture that has existed without western culture's help for hundreds of years is simply distraction. It is all part of "Blame the white folk" for all the problems in the world.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 07:08 PM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

Well beside Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran and Pakistan, we have done every other country, so I guess we need to get Pakistan next, followed by Saudi Arabia, Iran and last but no forgotten Egypt.

Yes I been sarcastic.

Yes, Pakistan harbor a lot of the main training camps from terrorist groups, for them is a safe haven.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 08:31 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: asen_y2k

Well beside Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Iran and Pakistan, we have done every other country, so I guess we need to get Pakistan next, followed by Saudi Arabia, Iran and last but no forgotten Egypt.

Yes I been sarcastic.

Yes, Pakistan harbor a lot of the main training camps from terrorist groups, for them is a safe haven.



As we have seen before, bombing a nation is not only inefficient but also counter productive. There must be some other way to deal with these countries who are a source of terrorists from the level of the government itself.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 08:37 PM
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a reply to: hounddoghowlie


no, only she lived in Saudi Arabia, he born and raised in the U.S. met her on line and went there to marry her. he never lived there


But you know she had only just moved to Saudi Arabia? She's Pakistani.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 08:42 PM
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originally posted by: angeldoll
a reply to: hounddoghowlie


no, only she lived in Saudi Arabia, he born and raised in the U.S. met her on line and went there to marry her. he never lived there


But you know she had only just moved to Saudi Arabia? She's Pakistani.



The man is also of Pakistani origin and both had visited Pakistan on multiple occasions. They specifically visited the 'Red Mosque' in Islamabad where they were indoctrinated and radicalised.

The Red Mosque openly supports ISIS and is allowed to run by the Pakistani government. This is how bad the situation is there.
edit on 5/12/15 by asen_y2k because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 08:59 PM
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originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: asen_y2k

So...
Ignore the fact they both lived in the US, and Saudi Arabia.
Ignore the fact they legally bought those weapons in the US.
Ignore the fact that they were, for all everyone knew, just a normal couple.

CLOSE THE BORDERS!
INCARCERATE ALL PEOPLE OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN!

The lunacy on this site just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.


Ok, show me one Philippino who was borned in the US who pledges support to ISIS and kills people.


If we're going to get into statistics you might want to wear a helmet.
Of all terror attacks on US soil in the last 10 year, the VAST MAJORITY have been carried out by White, Christian American males.

So, I hope you're getting those internment camps set up for the right people. Here's a hint, you'll need to be stocking up on country music and Bibles.


Do you have these statistics? I just checked the Fbi database and we'll it looks like your wrong. Muslim extremists make up half of all terrorists attacks. The rest is decided between right wing beliefs such as neo nazis and abortion clinics. And even in that is other sub groups and then there is incidents that terrorism doesn't apply like the belt way shooter. He committed the shootings to cover up killing his wife.

It's very dangerous to ignore the fact there is Islamic extremism. Does this mean we need to keep all Muslims out no but we do need to acknowledge there is a correlation as well. How do we balance this I have no idea but I know ignoring the connections because we want to be politically correct means slot of people will die. This isn't going to go away its the new reality of the 21st century. And the first step to dealing with it is to admit it happens instead if blaming guns or government policies. The truth is simple Islamic extremists use policy as an excuse but it is not by any means a deciding factor to them. There factor is what they see as a war between true believers and the rest if the world.
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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:29 PM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

The problem with Pakistan is that the government doesn't control the alliances that its military does with suspected terrorist groups because the soldiers itself are part of the groups.

Is been known that the reason they do this is because family ties to the different tribal groups in the middle east.

I guess is a way of survival.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 05:02 AM
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originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: boncho
Where does your reasoning come from. The couple are Pakistani in origin and the last time I looked no-one and I mean no-one was bombing Pakistan. Ergo. you HAVE to bring that religion into the equation.




Are you kidding? Hundreds of drone strikes in Pakistan from 2004-1015

If count them all, but as mentioned, hundreds...
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"keep your friends close and your enemies closer" but how does that work when you don't even know who your enemy is
Um, isn't that obvious? Keep Pakistan close so they let you bomb the # out of their country for a decade...
edit on 6-12-2015 by boncho because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 05:08 AM
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originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: asen_y2k

So...
Ignore the fact they both lived in the US, and Saudi Arabia.
Ignore the fact they legally bought those weapons in the US.
Ignore the fact that they were, for all everyone knew, just a normal couple.

CLOSE THE BORDERS!
INCARCERATE ALL PEOPLE OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN!

The lunacy on this site just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.


Ok, show me one Philippino who was borned in the US who pledges support to ISIS and kills people.



The 34-year-old man was tagged by authorities as "one of the United States most wanted fugitives."

His arrest was made secret and announced by the Bureau of Immigration and Deportation. Infante, who was reported to have traveled to Basilan, a stronghold of the Abu Sayyaf, had been deported to Guam. Federal agents escorted the Filipino-American, who was also suspected of planning to smuggle illegal drugs to the Philippines. United States authorities have issued a warrant for the arrest of Infante in New York after Customs men in July 2003 seized one of his package from Oakland containing weapons’ parts addressed to his safehouse in Zamboanga City.

"His arrest and deportation is another big step in our campaign against terrorism because this man is known to have aided the Abu Sayyaf in acquiring weapons used by the group in committing atrocities against our soldiers and civilians," Philippine immigration chief Andrea Domingo said in a statement.


en.wikipedia.org...

Just 1? Way too easy...



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 05:26 AM
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originally posted by: boncho

originally posted by: crayzeed
a reply to: boncho
Where does your reasoning come from. The couple are Pakistani in origin and the last time I looked no-one and I mean no-one was bombing Pakistan. Ergo. you HAVE to bring that religion into the equation.




Are you kidding? Hundreds of drone strikes in Pakistan from 2004-1015

If count them all, but as mentioned, hundreds...


Well your both kind of right the drone attacks aren't happening on normal Pakistan citizens. They are being done in the tribal areas. To a groups called the pashtuns to be honest Pakistan themselves would like them to be wiped out. Problem is they can cause a lot of trouble for pakistan. Pakistan has control of an area known as Federally Administered Tribal Areas aka fata. This area has tribal leaders that maintain control of the area think it was 7 maybe more. Anyway these tribal leaders have supported al qaeda and the Taliban and most politicians don't like their seeming independence from Pakistan. But here's the catch they having the backing of some very high ranking officers in the Pakistan military. And the politicians can't afford to go against the military. Why do they have military support they attack India and have an agreement not to attack pakistan. And several military officers are surprise from that area.

So drones have been used to kill terrorists in that area and yes sometimes pad runs are being killed in the strikes but they are the ones allowing the terrorists to operate their with their assistance as well. However new policies put into place doesn't allow drone strikes to occur any longer on groups even if they show to be terrorists. The new policy States they can only attack confirmed targets with no civilians present. Tough criteria also why drone strikes have dwindled down to 15 or so this year. The number is a lot smaller then people believe. And now Pakistan is doing drone strikes of their own smart considering they can lie and go wasn't us.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 06:10 AM
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originally posted by: boncho

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: asen_y2k

So...
Ignore the fact they both lived in the US, and Saudi Arabia.
Ignore the fact they legally bought those weapons in the US.
Ignore the fact that they were, for all everyone knew, just a normal couple.

CLOSE THE BORDERS!
INCARCERATE ALL PEOPLE OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN!

The lunacy on this site just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.


Ok, show me one Philippino who was borned in the US who pledges support to ISIS and kills people.



The 34-year-old man was tagged by authorities as "one of the United States most wanted fugitives."

His arrest was made secret and announced by the Bureau of Immigration and Deportation. Infante, who was reported to have traveled to Basilan, a stronghold of the Abu Sayyaf, had been deported to Guam. Federal agents escorted the Filipino-American, who was also suspected of planning to smuggle illegal drugs to the Philippines. United States authorities have issued a warrant for the arrest of Infante in New York after Customs men in July 2003 seized one of his package from Oakland containing weapons’ parts addressed to his safehouse in Zamboanga City.

"His arrest and deportation is another big step in our campaign against terrorism because this man is known to have aided the Abu Sayyaf in acquiring weapons used by the group in committing atrocities against our soldiers and civilians," Philippine immigration chief Andrea Domingo said in a statement.


en.wikipedia.org...

Just 1? Way too easy...


Damn, I did not know there were muslim Filipinos. My bad.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 06:13 AM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: asen_y2k

The problem with Pakistan is that the government doesn't control the alliances that its military does with suspected terrorist groups because the soldiers itself are part of the groups.

Is been known that the reason they do this is because family ties to the different tribal groups in the middle east.

I guess is a way of survival.



Pakistan is practically run by the military, always have been. The civilian gov does what the army head tells them. Hence Pakistan has no economy or much social program. The country!s no. 1 priority is the army. Even the navy is ignored. The army general is the de facto ruler of
Pakistan.



posted on Dec, 6 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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Pakistan is practically run by the military, always have been. The civilian gov does what the army head tells them. Hence Pakistan has no economy or much social program. The country!s no. 1 priority is the army. Even the navy is ignored. The army general is the de facto ruler of
Pakistan.


Exactly.
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:36 AM
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originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: boncho

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: Rocker2013
a reply to: asen_y2k

So...
Ignore the fact they both lived in the US, and Saudi Arabia.
Ignore the fact they legally bought those weapons in the US.
Ignore the fact that they were, for all everyone knew, just a normal couple.

CLOSE THE BORDERS!
INCARCERATE ALL PEOPLE OF PAKISTANI ORIGIN!

The lunacy on this site just keeps getting more and more ridiculous.


Ok, show me one Philippino who was borned in the US who pledges support to ISIS and kills people.



The 34-year-old man was tagged by authorities as "one of the United States most wanted fugitives."

His arrest was made secret and announced by the Bureau of Immigration and Deportation. Infante, who was reported to have traveled to Basilan, a stronghold of the Abu Sayyaf, had been deported to Guam. Federal agents escorted the Filipino-American, who was also suspected of planning to smuggle illegal drugs to the Philippines. United States authorities have issued a warrant for the arrest of Infante in New York after Customs men in July 2003 seized one of his package from Oakland containing weapons’ parts addressed to his safehouse in Zamboanga City.

"His arrest and deportation is another big step in our campaign against terrorism because this man is known to have aided the Abu Sayyaf in acquiring weapons used by the group in committing atrocities against our soldiers and civilians," Philippine immigration chief Andrea Domingo said in a statement.


en.wikipedia.org...

Just 1? Way too easy...


Damn, I did not know there were muslim Filipinos. My bad.


Really? Islam in the Philippines is huge, more than 10% of the population en.wikipedia.org... many cities even live under kind of a pseudo sharia-like laws, or at least 'influenced' to say the least.

However, for extremism I would not put them on the high end of the stick. Generally.
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posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:39 AM
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a reply to: dragonridr

You are honestly arguing how drone strikes are 'not that bad' and they are 'just used on bad guys'. First look up collateral damage. Second consider for a second how 'Murica would react if Pakistan were bombing, aka: operating drone strikes within US borders. Even if it were only 'tribal regions' (redneck areas?)

Can you honestly say you don't think regular Americans would care, even if it were simply targeting KKK or other radical religious organizations? (WBC, etc)

Really consider it for a minute.
edit on 7-12-2015 by boncho because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 7 2015 @ 02:42 AM
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a reply to: boncho

and they are good at backyard gun smithing.





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