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Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act

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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 02:52 AM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Im canadian, my socialist ass is doing very good thank you, the good old the commies are coming.




posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 02:53 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: AboveBoard
And that is where you are wrong and show that you did not understand the "system" of the past.

I had cancer at a young adult age and for TEN YEARS after that I could not buy ANY health insurance. They did not care that it could kill me to be uninsured and I had NO follow up care. I'm still alive but it is in spite of big health insurance folks who care exactly as much as credit card companies and collection agencies.

My son has a congenital heart defect. Upon reaching adulthood, he can stay on our insurance now until age 26 AND in spite of being medically fragile, he NO LONGER has to choose poverty and Medicaid (your tax payer dime) to stay alive and afford his medication or future cath lab or surgical procedures.

If you think it wasn't broken, then you never really needed it.


A friend of mine is in a wheelchair. He was on disability for 15 years, but he eventually finished college, got himself a degree, and then the degree lead to a graphics job. Once he started getting paychecks he lost his disability and started making too much for Medicaid (we're not talking a lot of money here, maybe 18k per year). Basically, he fell into the gap where he doesn't get a subsidy, can't afford insurance, and doesn't get it provided. He's about to be forced to quit his job and go back onto disability at $700/month because in the past 6 months of work he has racked up $50,000 worth of medical expenses that he can't pay.

The system is screwed up, his situation now is the way it was for millions more without the ACA. The ACA fixed that for some people but not for everyone. If the ACA is repealed he'll be even more screwed as he'll never get insurance due to pre existing conditions.


The ACA has never covered my disability. I am hearing impaired. I also qualify for disability, but I do not receive any. I decided to work. I do not earn enough to afford even the ACA - whereas, before this administration completely f###ed up everything (and I do mean everything - Obama unwon the war on terror for us), I was able to qualify for coverage through my employer - which, oddly enough, refuses to provide it anymore.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 04:08 AM
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Another reason I'm glad to live in Canada.. You guys should do whatever we did. Sure it takes a lot longer to get any sort of test done and our specialists aren't as good, but I'll take free healthcare over ridiculous charges and fines any day.

Edit: yes I know it's not actually free healthcare.
edit on 5-12-2015 by andrew778 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 04:13 AM
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a reply to: queenofswordsYeah...i wish they repeal Obama care. Then hopefully Single payer will replace it.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 04:25 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

ACA was made with backroom deals to special interest groups. It's not fixable. Not to say the next idea would be better.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 04:41 AM
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originally posted by: GeisterFahrerThe ACA has never covered my disability. I am hearing impaired. I also qualify for disability, but I do not receive any. I decided to work. I do not earn enough to afford even the ACA - whereas, before this administration completely f###ed up everything (and I do mean everything - Obama unwon the war on terror for us), I was able to qualify for coverage through my employer - which, oddly enough, refuses to provide it anymore.


Most employers did not provide health care though, and it was still wrong in the cases of the ones that did. Providing health care gives your employer huge leverage over you.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 05:11 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

If you think the GOP will be compassionate, think again. Their only answer is to ignore the health care issue. As long as they have health care they could care less for those who don't. Middle class is approaching extinction and the 1% are fatter than pregnant pigs, Yet they think avoiding and ignoring the elephant in the room will solve the problem. I hope Obama care fails so the pressure to produce a single-payer system gains prominence. Beef-up Medicare for all. For all those FOX News brainwashed GOP supporters who cry single-payer is "socialistic", i got news for you...It's not. It is supported with taxes, but allotting govt. money to non-profit organizations to pay America's health care cost is more than logical. Personally, I could care less for health care insurance companies and the stock holders involved with them. Also, Big Pharma CEO's should be regulated as well. These scum who live in crystal mansions need to get a real job and quit getting rich off the stricken folk as they do now. Adam Smith's model of Capitalism is great when you offer a product to the public that may be a better mousetrap or a widget and those who do should get rich doing so. But allowing these parasites heaven on earth to manage the necessity of heath care is criminal.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 05:34 AM
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a reply to: dagann

The 1% got fat on Obama and the Democrats watch. Dems don't care either, Obama made secret deals to help big business and brutalize the rest of us.

Both sides care about themselves and political points.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 06:04 AM
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Oh for F&*#@ITY F*@$'s SAKE, stop it with the "It's all the other side's fault" attitude and realise that both parties have been screwing everyone since Reagan.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 09:47 AM
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originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: AboveBoard
And that is where you are wrong and show that you did not understand the "system" of the past.

I had cancer at a young adult age and for TEN YEARS after that I could not buy ANY health insurance. They did not care that it could kill me to be uninsured and I had NO follow up care. I'm still alive but it is in spite of big health insurance folks who care exactly as much as credit card companies and collection agencies.

My son has a congenital heart defect. Upon reaching adulthood, he can stay on our insurance now until age 26 AND in spite of being medically fragile, he NO LONGER has to choose poverty and Medicaid (your tax payer dime) to stay alive and afford his medication or future cath lab or surgical procedures.

If you think it wasn't broken, then you never really needed it.


A friend of mine is in a wheelchair. He was on disability for 15 years, but he eventually finished college, got himself a degree, and then the degree lead to a graphics job. Once he started getting paychecks he lost his disability and started making too much for Medicaid (we're not talking a lot of money here, maybe 18k per year). Basically, he fell into the gap where he doesn't get a subsidy, can't afford insurance, and doesn't get it provided. He's about to be forced to quit his job and go back onto disability at $700/month because in the past 6 months of work he has racked up $50,000 worth of medical expenses that he can't pay.

The system is screwed up, his situation now is the way it was for millions more without the ACA. The ACA fixed that for some people but not for everyone. If the ACA is repealed he'll be even more screwed as he'll never get insurance due to pre existing conditions.



He could move to a state with expanded Medicaid? That's what created those horrible and unforgivable gaps.

I'm so sorry to hear this. Your friend deserves better.

Peace,
AB



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: GeisterFahrer

Your state does not provide expanded Medicaid which is supposed to fill that gap? Is that what happened?

I'm so sorry you are having to deal with that. It is totally understandable that you are enraged. I do think that if your state chose not to expand Medicaid, it is the state government that is to blame for your predicament.

I sincerely wish you well and hope some sort of solution can be found to help you.

- AB

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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:07 AM
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originally posted by: olaru12


Perhaps your ire is misplaced. Obama the neocon did exactly what the insurance corporate oligarchy paid him to do.
Follow the money....

btw...the GOP knows this and they are expert at playing "rope a dope" phony political theater.

It's called capitalism....




Exactly.
It is all for show
Are the 'Republicans going too boot out the Pharma and Insurance Lobbyists that shovel boatloads of money to both sides?
Are they going to boot out the revolving door industry insiders from DC.
If not, then it is all theater.


www.opensecrets.org...

Top Lobbying Industries
Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:23 AM
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originally posted by: Krazysh0t
a reply to: JDmOKI

Hey, I'm ALL for fixing the ACA. Let's do it! But repealing it? HA! If you think paying taxes for not having health insurance is bad? Just wait.


I know it would be bad at first, but I think the Health Insurance and Pharma Industry all together should be disbanded and forced out of business. It would cause prices to collapse when people do not have 200,000 dollars out of pocket for a procedure that costs 200 bucks in another country.

There are a lot of overpaid people in the industry that need to take a paycut in this globalist utopia.
I have an acquaintance making over 300K a year as a Pharma salesman 'selling' pills to doctors while gifting them at the same time. Nice gig when other people are paying for it. He is at the bottom of the totem pole, so imagine the millions execs make with other peoples money.

It is time to put an end to the outrageously overpriced and overpaid insurance and pharma thieves before we do anything else.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:32 AM
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With United Healthcare losing money on this,Dems who voted for this might change their minds.I do not have numbers,however I would imagine that United has donated to a few Democrats.


thehill.com...



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:35 AM
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Also,as a Christian I believe in universal healthcare.Why don't we start with some small steps that could have a big impact.No caps on coverage and you cannot be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.Sounds like a good start to me.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: amicktd
Again showing what people don't know. Marx and Lenin both stated that socialism was but a bridge to the more extreme communism. Both involve redistribution of income. Socialism is not as fully centralized.
Here maybe this will help www.discoverthenetworks.org...


Obamacare is not socialism but corporatism with profits still the main factor.
They refused to negotiate prices. They all need to go bankrupt and the execs thrown in the poor house.

They make so much of other peoples money that they are able to shovel more than anyone else at politicians

www.opensecrets.org...

Top Lobbying Industries

Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $3,146,090,212
Insurance $2,190,651,832



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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Notice how the GOP has nothing but a little bit of lip service on how it will be replaced. Meaning all those people that got healthcare finally will now be without. What of them?



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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originally posted by: buckwhizzle
Also,as a Christian I believe in universal healthcare.Why don't we start with some small steps that could have a big impact.No caps on coverage and you cannot be denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.Sounds like a good start to me.


Sounds good. But, tell us. In a country of 380,000,000 people (and god knows how many millions of illegals) where half the population doesn't even pay a dime of income tax, who will pay for this universal healthcare? Doctors, nurses, hospitals, staff, clinics, labs, radiologists, etc. etc. etc. do not work for free.



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:43 AM
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The biggest issue your system right now has is that most of the stuff is ridiculously overpriced. Medicine that costs like five bucks per tablet to make is sold with a markup of 10,000%
edit on 5/12/2015 by Eilasvaleleyn because: Reasons



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 10:45 AM
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Sometimes you don't need to "fix" something. You just need to replace it.



Sure, you may be "worse off" when you have to walk. But how many pringles cans are you really able to come up with?



Guess we can just invest in duct tape.....




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