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Under GOP control, Senate finally passes bill to repeal Affordable Care Act

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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:01 PM
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Wow a political group trying to cater to there voters, must be election time.




posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: Kukri
Don't kid yourslf nothing is free. It is still a redistributionist scheme . All those people in those other countries are paying for it in taxes. People really need to learn the truth instead of relying on propaganda from the socialist left. Also the unintended consequences are that employers are not hiring full time because they cannot afford ACA. People are suffering from this in a palpable way. Also costs have gone up not down which is what happens when gov tries to force price controls on the market. Plus if gov pays for stuff the cost automatically goes up.

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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:07 PM
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Id love to know how much is the healtcare cost in the usa going up every year for the past lets say 20 years, to be able to compare to obamacare.

Cause all i see is people doing the blame game with no facts what so ever.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So your saying that us evil socialist dont understand that our healthcare comes from paying taxes, wow im learning new things every day.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:08 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Sorry my ats is wonky these days.
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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:15 PM
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originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So your saying that us evil socialist dont understand that our healthcare comes from paying taxes, wow im learning new things every day.
. Apparently you haven't learned it yet. And you could have learned from the fall of the Soviet Union but did not. Socialism doesn't work and never will. Whenever a gov tries to centrally control anything you get what happened in ussr. Are you too young to remember reports of the bread lines? And then again if you do know it comes from higher taxes you know that it's not fre
edit on 4-12-2015 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: So if you keep telling people it's free knowing it's not..... Well alrighty then....



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:19 PM
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"Affordable Care Act"? You're using thier spin? If it was "affordable" there would be no need for, government/Scocialist substadees. Do we pass "laws" to make subjects/dependants, or a "free people"? Good! I'm glad! It was "passed".



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: dukeofjive696969
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

So your saying that us evil socialist dont understand that our healthcare comes from paying taxes, wow im learning new things every day.
. Apparently you haven't learned it yet. And you could have learned from the fall of the Soviet Union but did not. Socialism doesn't work and never will. Whenever a gov tries to centrally control anything you get what happened in ussr. Are you too young to remember reports of the bread lines? And then again if you do know it comes from higher taxes you know that it's not fre


Well if Socialism = Communism then its only fair if Right-Wing Conservative = Terrorist



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 03:45 PM
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a reply to: amicktd

No! I'd rethink your math. Right never = wrong. By todays "standards", George Washington was a "terrorist". .. Grow a pair of nuts or breast. Doesn't matter to me which,...but grow somthing! I get what you're saying...just, helping out. There humour...😏
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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: Kukri


You don't need a replacement for something that wasn't needed in the first place


And that is where you are wrong and show that you did not understand the "system" of the past.

I had cancer at a young adult age and for TEN YEARS after that I could not buy ANY health insurance. They did not care that it could kill me to be uninsured and I had NO follow up care. I'm still alive but it is in spite of big health insurance folks who care exactly as much as credit card companies and collection agencies.

My son has a congenital heart defect. Upon reaching adulthood, he can stay on our insurance now until age 26 AND in spite of being medically fragile, he NO LONGER has to choose poverty and Medicaid (your tax payer dime) to stay alive and afford his medication or future cath lab or surgical procedures.

If you think it wasn't broken, then you never really needed it.

Peace,

AB



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 04:33 PM
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I'm sure they are only doing this to boost donations.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 04:37 PM
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a reply to: amicktd
Again showing what people don't know. Marx and Lenin both stated that socialism was but a bridge to the more extreme communism. Both involve redistribution of income. Socialism is not as fully centralized.
Here maybe this will help www.discoverthenetworks.org...
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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 04:53 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Norway and Sweden and the UK are on the brink of Soviet style Communism and three-block long lines for toilet paper? Wow. I had no idea. Someone should tell them.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:11 PM
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originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Norway and Sweden and the UK are on the brink of Soviet style Communism and three-block long lines for toilet paper? Wow. I had no idea. Someone should tell them.
. Ummm ok. thefederalist.com...



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:28 PM
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I'm always astonished when ACA is labled socalist by conservatives; when it's the insurance companies that profit from ACA. That's not socialism..... that crony capatalism. Just like when oil companies are paid subsidies with my tax dollars, even though they show obscene profits... corporate welfare.



All the democrats have to do to keep winning elections is to point out the Republican hypocrisy of supporting big business while kicking the taxpaying citizens to the curb.
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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:30 PM
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a reply to: ThirdEyeofHorus

Well, that is The Federalist, so they are going to say that Socialism = Evil = Communism = Evil.

Sweden is a Scandinavian country, no? Here is a New York Times article about their health care system.

What Sweden Can Tell Us About Obamacare



While in Sweden this month as a visiting scholar, I’ve asked several Swedish health economists to share their thoughts about that question. They have spent their lives under a system in which most health care providers work directly for the government. Like economists in most other countries, they tend to be skeptical of large bureaucracies. So if extensive government involvement in health care is indeed a recipe for doom, they should have clear evidence of that by now.

Economic View
A column that explores life through an economic lens with leading economists and writers.
Don’t Assume a Fed Action Will Move the Market DEC 4
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Urban Charter Schools Often Succeed. Suburban Ones Often Don’t. NOV 20
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Yet none of them voiced the kinds of complaints about recalcitrant bureaucrats and runaway health costs that invariably surface in similar conversations with American colleagues. Little wonder. The Swedish system performs superbly, and my Swedish colleagues cited evidence of that fact with obvious pride.


Here is a fun graph with data from 2011 (or nearest). The first stages of the ACA were enacted in 2010, so it does not represent ACA's effect on health care costs.



Health care in Iceland:
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I put this here because of how well they did on the graph...


Posting this here for my friends back home who seem to believe that socialized healthcare is the enemy to freedom. I live in a country with socialized healthcare, and I can tell you that the government does NOT make decisions about the level of care that I can and cannot receive. That would contravene the fundamental right to health care that everyone is guaranteed by this country's constitution. A large part of that is due to the fact that there are no insurance companies with financial incentives and large CEO compensation or lobbyists, and healthcare professionals don't always have the threat of litigation looming overhead. The US healthcare system will not change unless and until all of these issues are adequately addressed.

It means that healthcare costs reflect what it actually ought to cost for care, not the exorbitant amounts that patients currently face in the US. For instance, the cost of childbirth, if one had to pay out of pocket (i.e. they weren't yet in the system with a social security number), including an overnight hospital stay in a private room, is around $1,000. It is nice to not have to worry about going into bankruptcy if I or one of my family members were diagnosed with an illness that required treatment beyond the scope of my insurance plan.

Healthcare is NOT rationed here and has been comparable to anything I have received in the US, if not more hands on. Patients have choices and the ability to seek additional opinions. I have never had to wait for an appointment or treatment. Prescriptions are affordable, and essentially cost the same or less as I paid when insured in NYC. Conversely, a close friend that I know recently had to wait for a month to get in to see a specialist covered under her well known insurer/plan in the NYC area regarding a critical medical issue.

I would choose this system any day of the week over the US system. This fend-for-yourself mentality in the US is absurd and outdated — no other developed country in the world allows its people to flounder the way that Americans do. After living here for almost a couple of years now, I've slowly realized that this notion that we've been taught that the US is the best at everything is simply not true, and this is especially the case with healthcare.

One other thing — we pay a little more in taxes than we paid/would pay on income in NY (federal, and state, and local combined), and with that also get the equivalent to Medicare, Social Security, and subsidized (nearly free) university education. It's just that the wealthy actually pay taxes, too.


peace,
AB



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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Is there anyone still in favor of Obamacare? Even those who are 100% in favor of a nationwide healthcare Obamacare has never been the way to go. We need to get rid of it and go back to the drawing board for something better.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: olaru12
All the democrats have to do to keep winning elections is to point out the Republican hypocrisy of supporting big business while kicking the taxpaying citizens to the curb.


Are they winning?

It is funny today that Hillary has finally come out to pledge she will spend 1.2 trillion dollars as soon as he gets into office. 200 billion of it is to pay off everyone's college loans. I'm sure there is enough people to vote for her now, well it isn't as bad as Obama's buying everyone a house, but it is close.
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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:40 PM
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We need to FIX it or go single payer. Go back to the "old way?" or "rip it up" and you hurt many millions of people - that's not so good in an election cycle.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:40 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

I'm a "Conservative" and I, agree with you! "Our Government", has "enumerated" power/authority. "Healthcare" isn't one of them. Neither is "marriage"..another story. It's "Constitutional" or it, isn't. That's the "law" of our "Rebublic". Wishes, hopes, dreams and freedom..are up to the people. Not the government. They are by "law" restricted.
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