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Less than half of German Tornado fleet available

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posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 11:52 PM
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I wrote a thread last year about the German military readiness levels falling in recent years. A new report from the German Defense minister shows just how bad it's gotten. Germany has elected to join the campaign against ISIS, and will deploy 6 Tornado aircraft for reconnaissance missions against the group, as well as a frigate.

Germany currently has 66 of the type in their inventory. Of those 66, 29 are currently airworthy. The German military has seen a huge decrease in readiness levels in recent years, even in new aircraft. Twice they've stopped deliveries of new Typhoons due to manufacturing issues with the aircraft being delivered.


Only 29 of Germany's 66 Tornado jets are airworthy, a defence ministry report has revealed.
It comes two days before German MPs are expected to vote in favour of military action against Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria.
Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen has stressed that only six of the operational Tornado jets would be needed for the proposed mission.
A vote on the UK's involvement takes place in parliament on Wednesday.
Germany decided to join the fight against IS after an appeal by French President Francois Hollande in the wake of the 13 November Paris attacks.

www.bbc.com...




posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:00 AM
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I'm sure ISIS are just trembling at the thought of German Tornados, all twenty-nine of 'em...



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:01 AM
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It's the same with the UK. Every European country has been cutting back on their military spending in order to pay for social services and social integration.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:08 AM
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We're rapidly getting to the point of "What if someone gave a war and no one showed up" levels. Most of Europe, including Russia is suffering from having old equipment, and ridiculously low readiness levels, while the US equipment is falling apart due to age and wear and tear.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:16 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
We're rapidly getting to the point of "What if someone gave a war and no one showed up" levels. Most of Europe, including Russia is suffering from having old equipment, and ridiculously low readiness levels, while the US equipment is falling apart due to age and wear and tear.


Well isn't that good news that most countries have old equipment, that would mean war would not be as fierce as when the equipment's were deployed fresh from the production lines back in those days...

But I think there is more emphasis now a days by both the Russians and US, in terms of upgrading military technology as opposed to maintaining old hardware...


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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:22 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
We're rapidly getting to the point of "What if someone gave a war and no one showed up" levels. Most of Europe, including Russia is suffering from having old equipment, and ridiculously low readiness levels, while the US equipment is falling apart due to age and wear and tear.


Wider Europe (including Russia) has their military strength decreasing. Countries which are increasing their militaries are USA, China and India.
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 12:31 AM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

The US isn't increasing anything, they're replacing.

Fighter purchases and age

In 2008, the average age of the USAF fighter fleet was in its 20s. The F-16s were looking at cracks in wings and bulkheads, and the F-15s were suffering longeron cracks, and had longerons that were too thin. The bombers weren't much younger, and the B-52 is ridiculously old.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 01:57 AM
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I can see why they are stuck on the ground if they build planes like they build cars. I had a VW Passat and it took me over two hours to change a dead battery.
That's every bit of a ten minute job on a Ford.
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 01:58 AM
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I sometimes think that the reason is that they expected the drones to be able to do pretty much any mission so they sort of said well so long as we have enough normal kit to keep up training and for specialist jobs like escorting Russian bear bombers etc we'll be fine as there will be plenty of warning to get the remainder of the planes to flight readiness if needed.

The cost I think is the main thing, how many times do we hear of some plane being retro fitted to fill a new role as its cheaper than building a new one but it never takes into account the fact the plane is already 20 years old and as such will need more regular maintenance than a brand new one.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:12 AM
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Not surprising this and to be honest, the RAF's Tornado fleet isn't in much better shape. We'd be lucky to be able to maintain operational tempo with 24 of the 79 we have, deployed. Which is a crying shame, because it is precisely those Tornado's with their Raptor pods that our Allies want in Syria.
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 03:40 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
I wrote a thread last year about the German military readiness levels falling in recent years. A new report from the German Defense minister shows just how bad it's gotten. Germany has elected to join the campaign against ISIS, and will deploy 6 Tornado aircraft for reconnaissance missions against the group, as well as a frigate.

Germany currently has 66 of the type in their inventory. Of those 66, 29 are currently airworthy. The German military has seen a huge decrease in readiness levels in recent years, even in new aircraft. Twice they've stopped deliveries of new Typhoons due to manufacturing issues with the aircraft being delivered.


Only 29 of Germany's 66 Tornado jets are airworthy, a defence ministry report has revealed.
It comes two days before German MPs are expected to vote in favour of military action against Islamic State (IS) militants in Syria.
Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen has stressed that only six of the operational Tornado jets would be needed for the proposed mission.
A vote on the UK's involvement takes place in parliament on Wednesday.
Germany decided to join the fight against IS after an appeal by French President Francois Hollande in the wake of the 13 November Paris attacks.

www.bbc.com...


Well, Germans are an anti-militarist nation, thanks to their WWII legacy. Their military spending levels are low, and that is not going to change substantially (imho). Also the reorientation towards a more expeditionary force has taken its toll.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 04:15 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

Sincerely? I think the world can do without a Germany military ... just fine.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 06:11 AM
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German lost its best brains and bodies in two world world wars, just like the UK did, its a spent nation now, made worse by an ex communist president.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 06:46 AM
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a reply to: pikestaff

Huh? What, the largest economy in Europe with a reputation for excellence in high end engineering has "lost it's best brains" and is a "spent nation"? And the UK as well, on course to exceed Germany by 2030?

Righto...



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 07:11 AM
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a reply to: Zaphod58

The remaining B-52s may be old in calendar years, but how bad are they in flight hours?



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 08:17 AM
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a reply to: Borys

Some portions aren't bad hours wise, others not so much. They've had a lot changed and upgraded over the years. No matter what they do though the skin always ends up in horrible shape.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 08:30 AM
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All the Tornados are getting old now, like all the combat jets which have been in service since the 1980s. They have some Typhoons which could do air to ground. Combat aircraft are just so complex and expensive to build now not many new models are coming online.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 08:55 AM
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originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: asen_y2k

The US isn't increasing anything, they're replacing.

Fighter purchases and age

In 2008, the average age of the USAF fighter fleet was in its 20s. The F-16s were looking at cracks in wings and bulkheads, and the F-15s were suffering longeron cracks, and had longerons that were too thin. The bombers weren't much younger, and the B-52 is ridiculously old.


Yes they are replacing but with tech much advanced. US is THE largest overall military in the world. When they replace their tech with more advanced tech, we can say they are increasing overall strength. Just their new and improved bigger aircraft carrier is the best example. China, India and Russia have aircraft carriers similar in size to old US ones. The new one has nothing similar in the world.



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 09:43 AM
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originally posted by: asen_y2k

The new one has nothing similar in the world.


The new Ford class carriers are roughly the same size as the current Nimitz class boats.
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 11:00 AM
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a reply to: asen_y2k

Comparatively they aren't increasing though. They're getting, on average, less equipment that does more. So relative strength isn't improving.

China, India, and Russia currently have nothing even close to the Nimitz Class carriers. The Chinese carrier has a displacement of 67,500 tons loaded. The Russian carrier has a displacement of 61,300 tons loaded, and the Indian carrier has a displacement of 40,000 tons while the one under construction is 65,000 tons. A Nimitz class hull is a 100,000 ton displacement, and the Ford is 110,000 tons.




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