the UK has voted in favour of Syrian air strikes.

a reply to: stumason

You're the delusional one - no one is bombing Syria to get rid of Assad.

Liar.

originally posted by: intrptr
LOL. Been military pounding toyota pick up trucks in the desert for over a year, if we can't defeat a rag tag army like that, might as well just give up…

Spread over an area larger than the UK, among Civilian populations. We could of course adopt the Russian strategy of carpet bombing area's with dumb munitions, that'll get 'em.... :doh:

originally posted by: intrptr
The Road to Basrah was a one night stand. Do go on about "ISIS ruling the world".

The Road to Basrah was a convenient Turkey shoot. The entire Iraqi Army was formed in a nice long line for A-10's to rake. Not even close to a comparison.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: stumason

You're the delusional one - no one is bombing Syria to get rid of Assad.

Liar.

No, it is you who is lying. Prove it then.

a reply to: stumason

Newsflash - no one is attacking "Syria". Assad has been left entirely untouched by UK (and Western) aircraft.

The only thing "entirely untouched" by western air strikes is ISIS. In fact NATO protects ISIS, shooting down Russian planes.

Flash your main stream news at someone else.

a reply to: stumason

The UK is a small island living of past glories, we are being lead by warmongering elitists who are just living out their fantasies they used to all discuss as boys in the dining halls of Eaton. Guys like David Cameron and George Osborne do not represent me they represent a elitist society.

Your assertion that we could take out China just based on how we can project power is a entirely speculative claim.

Now yes i do believe that we have to defend ourselves against threats like ISIS but pissing the off by bombing them is hardly the way to do that in my view. Every conflict we have gotten involved in since 9/11 has only made things worse just look at what we have left behind in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, you cannot honestly say that those countries have been better of or that the threat posed by terrorism to the UK has lessened thanks to those conflicts.

There comes a time when we need to step back and admit that constant conflict is not working.

As for cuts, I work in the NHS, let me tell you it is being cut, just the other week the government proposed a £800l million spending cut to student nurse funding for instance. They will probably end up spending at least double that fighting ISIS.

a reply to: stumason

Spread over an area larger than the UK, among Civilian populations. We could of course adopt the Russian strategy of carpet bombing area's with dumb munitions, that'll get 'em…. :doh:

US Actually protects ISIS caravans, heres one right here…

a reply to: intrptr

Oh jeebus..... As predicted, delusional ranting...

Turkey shot down a Russian plane for flying over their airspace after repeated warnings over the past months to stop it. Not NATO.

As for your Video - that could be from anywhere, at anytime.

By the way, that isn't an Apache... It's clearly a Hind...

I can't believe you actually posted that! What an epic fail! Hahahahah!

a reply to: stumason

Easy to hide convoys of trucks in the desert. For a year the west is bombing Syria and missed these? How come you aren't applauding Russia bombing ISIS?

a reply to: stumason

So Russia is protecting ISIS caravans, then? Then they mist be bombing Syrians.

Oh, I get it. The US is supplying Russian troops with TOW missiles to destroy the Syrians and we are defending oil shipments to the turkish border with Hind helicopters.

My bad.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
The UK is a small island living of past glories, we are being lead by warmongering elitists who are just living out their fantasies they used to all discuss as boys in the dining halls of Eaton. Guys like David Cameron and George Osborne do not represent me they represent a elitist society.

Okie dokie....

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Your assertion that we could take out China just based on how we can project power is a entirely speculative claim.

Not at all - it was the subject of a Study done by the Royal United Services Institute. If you read what I said, it makes perfect sense. In an equidistant war, where both sides would need to rely on their ablity to project power and logistically support the mission, China simply lacks the capability.

I wouldn't expect an "NHS" employee to be able to understand that though.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Now yes i do believe that we have to defend ourselves against threats like ISIS but pissing the off by bombing them is hardly the way to do that in my view. Every conflict we have gotten involved in since 9/11 has only made things worse just look at what we have left behind in Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya, you cannot honestly say that those countries have been better of or that the threat posed by terrorism to the UK has lessened thanks to those conflicts.

We owed Iraq after we abandoned them in GW1. Afghanistan was already a haven for terrorists, it isn't so much now. Libya was going to happen regardless what we did, all NATO did was shorten the War.

At the end of the day, you can't just say that didn't work before in another, but very different, situation so lets not do it again. We need to deal with the here and now - which is that a very powerful and evil group is poised to take over a significant chunk of the ME and is causing a refugee crisis on our borders.

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
There comes a time when we need to step back and admit that constant conflict is not working.

So, we just leave them to it?

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
They will probably end up spending at least double that fighting ISIS.

Hopefully!

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
a reply to: stumason

The UK is a small island living of past glories

The UK is THE centre of the capitalist system along with New York. It has to use its armed forces as it always has done to defend these interests. It is not living in the past. The UK is the centre for some of the most influential companies and people in the world, big players that control Planet Earth's resources. The armed forces are used to protect these interests around the globe. Big money is at stake and you don't control this by doing a Costa Rica.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: stumason

So Russia is protecting ISIS caravans, then? Then they mist be bombing Syrians.

You're really daft, aren't you? That is actually a video of Iraqi units being escorted by their own Hind...

And you tried to pass it off as a US Army Apache escorting IS forces?

EPIC FAIL

originally posted by: intrptr
Oh, I get it. The US is supplying Russian troops with TOW missiles to destroy the Syrians and we are defending oil shipments to the turkish border with Hind helicopters.
My bad.

No, you don't get it at all. Not even slightly. You just believe what you want to believe which funnily enough ends up with you making circular arguments and contradictory statements,. because you haven't got a bloody clue.

Russia isn't in Syria to bomb Syrians, yet somehow they are the enemy. Despite they are attacking the very enemy the West claims to be fighting.

Doesn't that mean the Russians and NATO are allies in the war on terror?

Should'nt we be praising the Russians for bombing ISIS, "too"?

a reply to: intrptr

Because they haven't been touching IS for the most part - the bulk of their strikes have been supporting Assad's forces near Aleppo. Yes, they've bombed a few IS targets and congrats for that - but it isn't even the subject in this thread so why would I applaud them?

Listen, you're flapping around now for an argument and it's failing, badly. You've been shown to post knowingly false information, which used to be a banning offence on ATS.

a reply to: intrptr

Who's saying Russia is the enemy? I don't recall anyone saying in this thread they were the enemy.

Again, you're now deflecting in an attempt to change the subject over you obvious posting of a fake video in an attempt to besmirch NATO, which failed.

a reply to: stumason

I wouldn't expect an "NHS" employee to be able to understand that though.

You condensing little.... (finishing that sentence is not worth getting banned)

I have said this to you before and i will say it to you again, you suffer from this air of arrogance where by you assume to be the smartest guy in the room, the guy holding all the cards and you smash anyone's opinion who disagrees with you.

I can respect that you think bombing ISIS is a worthwhile endeavour for the national interests with out resorting to almost school yard bully boy tactics.

Please just try to show a modicum of respect for those who have different views than you do and stop with this pathetic arrogance.

I am not going to carry on with this debate with you, I come to ATS for a bit of fun and mature debate not to be pissed off by the likes of you.

Good luck next time you need a NHS employee who is obviously not as smart as you as to have a grasp of the political landscape but might have half a brain to keep you alive.

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: stumason

Spread over an area larger than the UK, among Civilian populations. We could of course adopt the Russian strategy of carpet bombing area's with dumb munitions, that'll get 'em…. :doh:

US Actually protects ISIS caravans, heres one right here…

SO PEOPLE ARE AWARE - AS SOME HAVE STARRED THIS POST - THIS IS NOT A VIDEO OF AN APACHE "ESCORTING" IS FORCES, BUT RATHER AN IRAQI AIR FORCE HIND ESCORTING THEIR OWN FORCES

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Awww...

But it's ok for you to throw around the insults and name calling? I thought you wanted "mature debate", but then bang on about "warmongering elitists" and attacking people's backgrounds?

And you're quite happy to dismiss other people's opinions and posts as "mere speculation" as if you know it all, but cannot handle it when it comes back to you and throw your toys out the pram?

I honestly do not expect a medical professional (whatever it is you do - could be a cleaner for all I know, so giving you credit there) to know anything about Military matters.

Grow up and get a thicker skin.... Jeebus...

a reply to: stumason

Youre the one pretending NATO isn' fighting the Syrian military with hired mercenaries. Here are your allies using an American TOW missile to destroy a Syrian tank.

a reply to: stumason

Its not about growing a ticker skin.

Its about mutual respect in a adult debate.

You think it serves the national interests to bomb ISIS.

I think that bombing ISIS will further increase the threat of terrorism, use up financial resources that could be put to better use and is overall unnecessary.

Both view points are equally valid, yet you bulldoze anyone who disagrees with you.

And what makes you a expert on military matters, for all you know i could have spent 15 years in the military before moving into the NHS.

Also i did not call you a "Warmongering elite" I was clearly talking about the Cameron and his cronies at Westminster.

In fact my first post that you responded with your usual arrogant flare was not even directed at you.