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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: marg6043

Article said that Malik's older sister put her sister together with Farook.




posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:19 PM
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originally posted by: butcherguy

originally posted by: roadgravel
Senator say the authorities cannot monitor the dark web.

I have this feeling that if I can view it.... they can monitor it.


Instills faith in the leadership...

And this man helps decide our country's course and whether we go to war.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: roadgravel

The cannot? but I'm sure they are in sites like this one reading what we are posting.




posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:20 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: butcherguy
The local ABC station in Philly just had a photo of the woman with her face uncovered. They said it was just released.


PHOTO
www.wcvb.com...




SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —ABC News has obtained the first photo of San Bernardino, California, terror suspect Tashfeen Malik.

Since news today that San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik is said to have posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS around the time she and her husband killed 14 people Wednesday, the world's attention has shifted to the mysterious mother-turned-murderer.

ABC News reported Malik, who was born in Pakistan, moved to Saudi Arabia 25 years ago when she was about four years old. When she was older, she likely moved back and forth between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to a source close to the Saudi Arabian government.

In 2007, she returned to Pakistan to study at Bahuddin Zakri University in Mulatn and stayed until 2012, according to a Pakistani intelligence official. She was said to be a brilliant student and was not known to have religious or political affiliation while there.

It is unclear how Malik's family knew Syed Nazrim Farook, an American of Pakistani origin born in Chicago, but Pakistani officials said it was Malik's older sister that set the two up. U.S. officials said Farook could have met Malik or her family in Saudi Arabia during a trip there in the fall of 2013. After another trip in July 2014, Farook returned to the U.S. with Malik in tow. The couple was married the next month.

Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a "fiancé" visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner's temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.

Six months ago, the couple had a baby daughter and named her according to a naming convention more common to Arab families, rather than in the typical Pakistani manner.

How Malik purportedly became radicalized enough to post the purported pledge of allegiance to ISIS and help kill more than a dozen people in a quiet California town is still a mystery.

The official close to the Saudi Arabian government said that Saudi intelligence officials did not have her on any of their watch lists and she did not appear to have any link to extremists in the region. Neither Malik or Farook were on the FBI's radar in the U.S., officials said.

FBI Special Agent David Bowdich said today it's also unclear who in the relationship led the other down the violent path.

"I don't know the answer, whether she influenced him or not. Being a husband myself, we're all influenced to an extent. But I don't know the answer," he said.

FBI Director James Comey said the Bureau is still investigating whether ISIS inspired the attack, but said there is "no indication" they were part of a larger network. No other suspects are being sought, though Bowdich didn't rule out the potential for later arrests.

Today lawyers for the Farook family cast doubt on the reports of the ISIS pledge and said that there hasn't been any real evidence that the couple has any "extremist tendencies."

"None of the family knew of him as being extreme, aggressive or having any extreme religious views," one of the attorneys said.

The other noted that Malik was very soft-spoken and conservative -- so much that Farook's brothers never saw her face, due to the full burqa she always wore in public.

As the FBI continues to investigate, Nada Bakos, a former CIA analyst, told ABC News she would not be surprised if Malik had been ISIS-inspired. "Terrorism is not gender-specific," she said.

A recent report by George Washington University's Center for Cyber and Homeland Security said that of the 71 individuals arrested in the U.S. since March 2014 with purported ties to ISIS, 10 were female.

Bakos, whose work with the CIA concentrated on al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the precursor to ISIS, told ABC News she often tracked female extremists for the Agency and noted that AQI infamously used a female suicide bomber in a failed suicide attack in Jordan in 2005 -- the woman had hidden a bomb under her dress, but it failed to detonate.

"Men don't have a monopoly on terrorism or conducting violent acts," she said. "At this point, in the evolution of terrorism, it wouldn't be surprising to see a woman take an operational role."


From your quote above paragraph 6 is pretty important is it not? She gave a bogus address on her 'fiance' visa app? Is that what vetting is?


Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a "fiancé" visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner's temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:22 PM
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originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
This whole thing is just UNBELIEVABLE!

I think I can smell my neurons frying...

- The west sponsors ISIS in Syria.



Conspiracy theory..And a flavor of 9-11 truthers.



- Fundamentalist Islam extremists launch terrorist attacks in Paris.


You mean ISIS



- Turkey shoots down Russian planes attacking ISIS



The Russians were bombing Turkmen and crossed the Turkish Border.



- ISIS launches terrorist attacks in San Bernadino



They haven't said this was ISIS directed.



...and now, before the bodies are even cold, authorities allow the media to trample all over a critical evidence scene!!



No authorities were present...A reporter either paid or convinced the landlord to let them in. They broke the law.



ABSOLUTELY UN-FREAKING-BELIEVABLE!!!



Retreat from hyperbole to the facts and you might find it more "freaking believable".
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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:23 PM
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originally posted by: whatnext21

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: butcherguy
The local ABC station in Philly just had a photo of the woman with her face uncovered. They said it was just released.


PHOTO
www.wcvb.com...




SAN BERNARDINO, Calif. —ABC News has obtained the first photo of San Bernardino, California, terror suspect Tashfeen Malik.

Since news today that San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik is said to have posted a pledge of allegiance to ISIS around the time she and her husband killed 14 people Wednesday, the world's attention has shifted to the mysterious mother-turned-murderer.

ABC News reported Malik, who was born in Pakistan, moved to Saudi Arabia 25 years ago when she was about four years old. When she was older, she likely moved back and forth between Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, according to a source close to the Saudi Arabian government.

In 2007, she returned to Pakistan to study at Bahuddin Zakri University in Mulatn and stayed until 2012, according to a Pakistani intelligence official. She was said to be a brilliant student and was not known to have religious or political affiliation while there.

It is unclear how Malik's family knew Syed Nazrim Farook, an American of Pakistani origin born in Chicago, but Pakistani officials said it was Malik's older sister that set the two up. U.S. officials said Farook could have met Malik or her family in Saudi Arabia during a trip there in the fall of 2013. After another trip in July 2014, Farook returned to the U.S. with Malik in tow. The couple was married the next month.

Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a "fiancé" visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner's temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.

Six months ago, the couple had a baby daughter and named her according to a naming convention more common to Arab families, rather than in the typical Pakistani manner.

How Malik purportedly became radicalized enough to post the purported pledge of allegiance to ISIS and help kill more than a dozen people in a quiet California town is still a mystery.

The official close to the Saudi Arabian government said that Saudi intelligence officials did not have her on any of their watch lists and she did not appear to have any link to extremists in the region. Neither Malik or Farook were on the FBI's radar in the U.S., officials said.

FBI Special Agent David Bowdich said today it's also unclear who in the relationship led the other down the violent path.

"I don't know the answer, whether she influenced him or not. Being a husband myself, we're all influenced to an extent. But I don't know the answer," he said.

FBI Director James Comey said the Bureau is still investigating whether ISIS inspired the attack, but said there is "no indication" they were part of a larger network. No other suspects are being sought, though Bowdich didn't rule out the potential for later arrests.

Today lawyers for the Farook family cast doubt on the reports of the ISIS pledge and said that there hasn't been any real evidence that the couple has any "extremist tendencies."

"None of the family knew of him as being extreme, aggressive or having any extreme religious views," one of the attorneys said.

The other noted that Malik was very soft-spoken and conservative -- so much that Farook's brothers never saw her face, due to the full burqa she always wore in public.

As the FBI continues to investigate, Nada Bakos, a former CIA analyst, told ABC News she would not be surprised if Malik had been ISIS-inspired. "Terrorism is not gender-specific," she said.

A recent report by George Washington University's Center for Cyber and Homeland Security said that of the 71 individuals arrested in the U.S. since March 2014 with purported ties to ISIS, 10 were female.

Bakos, whose work with the CIA concentrated on al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI), the precursor to ISIS, told ABC News she often tracked female extremists for the Agency and noted that AQI infamously used a female suicide bomber in a failed suicide attack in Jordan in 2005 -- the woman had hidden a bomb under her dress, but it failed to detonate.

"Men don't have a monopoly on terrorism or conducting violent acts," she said. "At this point, in the evolution of terrorism, it wouldn't be surprising to see a woman take an operational role."


From your quote above paragraph 6 is pretty important is it not? She gave a bogus address on her 'fiance' visa app? Is that what vetting is?


Malik came to the U.S. on what is known as a "fiancé" visa, which allows an American fiancé to petition for his or her partner's temporary entry before marriage. For the visa application, the address she listed in her Pakistani hometown, ABC News discovered today, does not exist. Malik received a her Green Card this summer, U.S. officials said.


Yeah, but don't worry... all those Syrian widows and orphans will be vetted just as thoroughly.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:24 PM
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Yes they did, to me smells like guilt, no that they may have been involved but that they probably knew and didn't do anything about it, that makes them accessory to murder.

Still now is so funny, I tell you, all the political candidates saying that they knew it was a terrorist attack,. they are letting Obama fry by himself.


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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: Stormdancer777
there is also this

Terrorist Syed Farook’s Sister Is Active Member of of Radical Islamist Group

www.thegatewaypundit.com...



Jamaat-e-Islami is essentially a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Both are Islamist groups with a history of support for terrorism and who intend to use electoral means to implement Sharia governance.

Syed Farook’s sister received a certificate of appreciation from The Islamic Circle of North America Sister’s Wing – the US branch of Jamaat-e-Islami.

The certificate was found in her brother’s home.


So there were two women?

I didn't know that.


Interesting. Now THAT makes sense.

I was wondering why they didn't release the names until CAIR (which is the Muslim Brotherhood) was ready for a Press Release!

BTW, The Muslim Brotherhood is way, way too chummy with the current administration.


www.washingtontimes.com...



Obama secretly backing Muslim Brotherhood

President Obama and his administration continue to support the global Islamist militant group known the Muslim Brotherhood. A White House strategy document regards the group as a moderate alternative to more violent Islamist groups like al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

The policy of backing the Muslim Brotherhood is outlined in a secret directive called Presidential Study Directive-11, or PSD-11. The directive was produced in 2011 and outlines administration support for political reform in the Middle East and North Africa, according to officials familiar with the classified study.

Efforts to force the administration to release the directive or portions of it under the Freedom of Information Act have been unsuccessful.

White House National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan declined to comment on PSD-11. “We have nothing for you on this,” she said.

The directive outlines why the administration has chosen the Muslim Brotherhood, which last year was labeled a terrorist organization by the governments of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates as a key vehicle of U.S. backing for so-called political reform in the Middle East.

The UAE government also has labeled two U.S. affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim American Society, as terrorist support groups.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: roadgravel
mom lives in house for year(s), 24/7, and has no idea of what is going on. Yeah, I'm buying into that one.


In reality if this was a traditional muslim household this could very well be true. In that situation, a female would never, ever, question any activity of a male above the age of seven years. That's how radical these people are. The males are so scared of the power of a female that they put all these "religious" rules in place about even interacting with a female. Questioning a male can bring on a beating. (And for those who would dispute this post: my information comes from women who made the sad mistake of marrying into the religion.)



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: roadgravel

The cannot? but I'm sure they are in sites like this one reading what we are posting.



I was kidding. The NSA probably runs half the dark web.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:25 PM
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a reply to: whatnext21
Where are the pictures from her Visa and her Green card?

You can barely take a crap in America with out a photo ID, where are her ID photos?

Sorry I just think they are hiding who she really is.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:27 PM
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a reply to: whatnext21
Nice catch.
Good thing they are doing a bang up job of vetting everyone.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: butcherguy
The local ABC station in Philly just had a photo of the woman with her face uncovered. They said it was just released.


PHOTO
www.wcvb.com...



All kidding aside if I saw that photo at random I would still think that she looks like someone that would happily kill you in your sleep. Those eyes are half angry and half dead inside.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:29 PM
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a reply to: infolurker

The links between Obama, his brother and the Muslim brotherhood has been debate for a long time, but still nobody wants to take it seriously.

BTW after the FBI press conference, Obama has been very quiet.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:30 PM
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originally posted by: infolurker

originally posted by: Stormdancer777
there is also this

Terrorist Syed Farook’s Sister Is Active Member of of Radical Islamist Group

www.thegatewaypundit.com...



Jamaat-e-Islami is essentially a branch of the Muslim Brotherhood. Both are Islamist groups with a history of support for terrorism and who intend to use electoral means to implement Sharia governance.

Syed Farook’s sister received a certificate of appreciation from The Islamic Circle of North America Sister’s Wing – the US branch of Jamaat-e-Islami.

The certificate was found in her brother’s home.


So there were two women?

I didn't know that.


Interesting. Now THAT makes sense.

I was wondering why they didn't release the names until CAIR (which is the Muslim Brotherhood) was ready for a Press Release!

BTW, The Muslim Brotherhood is way, way too chummy with the current administration.


www.washingtontimes.com...



Obama secretly backing Muslim Brotherhood

President Obama and his administration continue to support the global Islamist militant group known the Muslim Brotherhood. A White House strategy document regards the group as a moderate alternative to more violent Islamist groups like al Qaeda and the Islamic State.

The policy of backing the Muslim Brotherhood is outlined in a secret directive called Presidential Study Directive-11, or PSD-11. The directive was produced in 2011 and outlines administration support for political reform in the Middle East and North Africa, according to officials familiar with the classified study.

Efforts to force the administration to release the directive or portions of it under the Freedom of Information Act have been unsuccessful.

White House National Security Council spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan declined to comment on PSD-11. “We have nothing for you on this,” she said.

The directive outlines why the administration has chosen the Muslim Brotherhood, which last year was labeled a terrorist organization by the governments of Saudi Arabia, Egypt and the United Arab Emirates as a key vehicle of U.S. backing for so-called political reform in the Middle East.

The UAE government also has labeled two U.S. affiliates of the Muslim Brotherhood, the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim American Society, as terrorist support groups.


Ah. The Muslim Brotherhood/ISIS/CAIR connection to this.
We all know how much Obama loves the Muslim Brotherhood....the plot thickens.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:31 PM
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originally posted by: Indigo5

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: butcherguy
The local ABC station in Philly just had a photo of the woman with her face uncovered. They said it was just released.


PHOTO
www.wcvb.com...



All kidding aside if I saw that photo at random I would still think that she looks like someone that would happily kill you in your sleep. Those eyes are half angry and half dead inside.


I would NEVER be sleeping next to that.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:32 PM
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a reply to: diggindirt

While that is right, when it comes to Americas laws, it doesn't matter, if the women knew and did nothing she will still be guilty by association.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:33 PM
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More confusing info on Malik in this ABC article:

abcnews.go.com...

*Moved to Saudi when she was 4 , but seemed to frequently travel between the countries.

*Used a non existent Pakistani address on the application for visa...

*Was granted a permanent "green card" July '15

*another version of the husbands name surfaces..

Syed Nazrim Farook
( I understood the name to be Syed Rizwan Farook)

The more info published, the more befuddled I get...




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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Well it seems that under the "fiancé visa", is not that difficult to come to America to marry an American established Muslim.

Now in the news they are debating this issue and how safe the practice is for the US.



posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 05:36 PM
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originally posted by: marg6043
a reply to: infolurker

The links between Obama, his brother and the Muslim brotherhood has been debate for a long time, but still nobody wants to take it seriously.

BTW after the FBI press conference, Obama has been very quiet.





Yeah the entire secret services is hard at work removing his foot from his mouth.

It might take awhile.



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