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Stoltenberg threatens war against Russia?

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posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 04:21 AM
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Just found this article, don't know if anyone read it yet. So had to put it here ... if it's true, I just got a field day. Just when things were cooling down, here we have a guy who wants war with Russia.

Link to article


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posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 04:27 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

NATO resumes contacts with Russia — Stoltenberg



BRUSSELS, December 2. /TASS/. NATO’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg has said that the alliance has made a decision to resume the procedure of convening NATO-Russia Council meetings for engagement with Russia.

NATO terminated these contacts in 2014 over the crisis in Ukraine.

"We decided also to keep at the same time channels for political contact open. And the NATO Russia Council is part of these channels for political contact and dialogue… And I will now explore how we can use the Council as a tool for political engagement. We have never decided to not use it. And I welcome the support to then convene a Council, and we will look into how we can do that. I will do that together with the ambassadors, and I will come back on when and how this can be done."

Earlier, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in a radio interview contacts between Russia and the West were gradually getting back to normal and Russian delegates did not feel themselves in isolation at international events. He acknowledged that some formats of contacts had been frozen by the West.

"The Russia-NATO Council is frozen. So are the sectoral dialogues with the European Union and in some cases, the activity of inter-governmental commission for trading and economic cooperation. But this process is returning to normal. The operation of these mechanisms is being restored," Lavrov said.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 04:31 AM
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Interesting to see what he actually said, but NATO has always taken the view that Article 5 stands, so how's that news?

The article is also erroneous as it states NATO is in Syria.

Anyway, if the OP can point us to the speech where Stoltenberg "threatens war against Russia". Otherwise this is made up guff.

Transcripts of NATO speeches



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 04:32 AM
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a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

I saw that article too, so we have two versions ... this one here, seems to be a very "subtle" way of saying "we're going to war", without mentioning Russia. But saying "No Turkey this Christmas" ... despite the facts mounting up that Turkey is a "black sheep". In a mounting war effort, with Britain and Germany (US stooge) entering the theatre ... things are "bound" to get dirty. Especially if the "concesus" is that "even an indirect attack, will be answered with war".



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 04:33 AM
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Try again...

First here is the actual title -

Attacking NATO member equals attacking entire alliance - Stoltenberg


2 - He never threatened war.

3 - NATO added language to deal with the hybrid warfare Russia used when they invaded Ukraine.

Why do you guys go out of your way to distort information / make stuff up? Can we not discuss an article on its own merits without the distortions? Or is Putin so bad that all thats left is to lie to try and divert attention?


ETA -
Meanwhile in Russia...

Russia / Putin such a good nation/guy that Montenegro has been offered membership in NATO. As expected Russia is throwing a temper tantrum about it. So apparently only the Syrian people can decide whats best for Syria while the people of Montenegro cant decide whats best for Montenegro. I wonder why no nations are flocking to an alliance with Russia?

Putins leadership is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.
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posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 04:58 AM
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a reply to: paraphi

This guy is a NATO secretary and this is what he says:

The illegal separatist groups are yet to be disarmed.

Knowing that it's the Ukranian government who has broken the Minsk Treaty, and that Point 11 of the treaty has not been implement. Whereas Point 11, says basically the separatists will be self-determining republics. Stating "illegal separatists", in this instant says Stoltenberg is a "dictator" whose ideology is to deprive people of their wish for freedom.

We strongly encourage Ukraine to continue along the path of reform.

This is all he says about it ... very soft wording ... so, yes, Stoltenberg represents a biased side.

It's actually in his speech on 1st of december. He is stating, that all the member states are coming down to defend Turkey. This, with his statement on "hybrid war's", can only be understood as they are ganging on Russia. Turkey isn't under attack, but we can expect another incident with a "russian missile ending the threat", which Stoltenberg says basically NATO is preparing for that.


All of this is relevant for Turkey. It is part of the assurance measures for Turkey. And I also expect other allies to make further commitments and we expect to take some new decisions within weeks on the assurance measures for Turkey. But once again we have been there for many years. We have augmented the air defences of Turkey for several years and we have decided to address the need to support Turkey before the incident last week, so that has been on our agenda for a long time.



What we have seen over a long period of time is that Russia is deploying advanced military capabilities both in Syria, in the eastern part of the Mediterranean, but also alongside NATO borders in other parts of Europe. We have seen that up in the high north, we have seen that in the Baltic Sea, especially in Kaliningrad and we have also seen that in the Black Sea and in Crimea. And this part of a pattern where we see that Russia is developing what is called anti access and area denial capabilities. And that is exactly one of the reasons why NATO is adapting. That is the reason why we have increased the readiness and the preparedness of our forces. That is one of the reason we have increased our military presence in the eastern part of the Alliance. And that is reason also why we are now addressing how we can develop and strengthen our deterrence and continue to adapt our military capabilities to a more assertive Russia. And to a Russia which has deployed modern military capabilities alongside NATO borders in many places of Europe. So this is something we are responding to. We are following and assessing it very closely and NATO is adapting to this new security environment.

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posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 05:16 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Where will he find morons to fight for him? Or all those soldiers will follow orders brainlessly.

My country is in NATO but I doubt anyone will go fight some stupid war for some stupid corporation that want money. Maybe some poor soldiers will go if they pay good.

But if this escalates to war for your life more than 80% Europeans won't fight.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 05:35 AM
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originally posted by: saadad
But if this escalates to war for your life more than 80% Europeans won't fight.


That's why I don't understand the guy ...



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 07:01 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

Lost with what point you are trying to make... Turkey is in NATO and NATO will defend Turkey against overt aggression. Where's the news in that?

Back to your OP, is anyone "threatening war against Russia"? Please, show us this is true!

Oh, here's the link to your quotes above, which were (for context) answers to questions.

Doorstep statement by NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg at the start of the meetings of NATO Ministers of Foreign Affairs



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 09:12 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra

2 - He never threatened war.


True


3 - NATO added language to deal with the hybrid warfare Russia used when they invaded Ukraine.


Debatable, I am not of the same opinion, but it's perfectly fine if you believe so.


Why do you guys go out of your way to distort information / make stuff up? Can we not discuss an article on its own merits without the distortions? Or is Putin so bad that all thats left is to lie to try and divert attention?


Why is anyone with a different opinion, and possibly scared by the threat of a WWIII episode these days, a shill for Putin?


ETA -
Meanwhile in Russia...

Russia / Putin such a good nation/guy that Montenegro has been offered membership in NATO. As expected Russia is throwing a temper tantrum about it. So apparently only the Syrian people can decide whats best for Syria while the people of Montenegro cant decide whats best for Montenegro. I wonder why no nations are flocking to an alliance with Russia?

Putins leadership is like rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.


Another debatable opinion, but in all honesty Montenegro is still "too full" of russian influence and can be a threat to the entire balkans block of NATO countries for multiple reasons. So you just missed an opportunity to discuss the political and social consequences of such a move to just propagandise your russophobia. Nothing new.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 09:25 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

I can't and won't support any war in that cesspool called the Middle East. The Shia and Sunni's have been in conflict for over a thousand years! They could blow each other up for all I care. The only reason the U.S. wants Bashar Al-Assad removed is because of Saudi Arabia and Israel. If they want him removed let them take him down. The U.S. has no business being over there in the first place! The U.S. has created more conflict over there since our intervention.




posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 09:33 AM
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originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: bjarneorn

Where will he find morons to fight for him? Or all those soldiers will follow orders brainlessly.

My country is in NATO but I doubt anyone will go fight some stupid war for some stupid corporation that want money. Maybe some poor soldiers will go if they pay good.

But if this escalates to war for your life more than 80% Europeans won't fight.


Considering that in the West the military makes up much less than 5% of the population 80% makes no difference one way or the other.

As for the OP why is everybody so desperately looking for a war on ATS?



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 09:36 AM
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a reply to: bjarneorn

I don't think a reiteration of NATO's resolve is a threat, it sounds more like a warning. Good for him!



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 01:12 PM
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originally posted by: Mastronaut
Why is anyone with a different opinion, and possibly scared by the threat of a WWIII episode these days, a shill for Putin?


Speaking of making stuff up please point out where I said shill for Putin. Secondly its ok to be scared but its not ok to hide behind being scared while pushing a false narrative about about war when no such comments were ever made.



originally posted by: Mastronaut
Another debatable opinion, but in all honesty Montenegro is still "too full" of russian influence and can be a threat to the entire balkans block of NATO countries for multiple reasons. So you just missed an opportunity to discuss the political and social consequences of such a move to just propagandise your russophobia. Nothing new.


It seems the Russians are the ones pushing ethnic fear mongering. Russia is more a threat than Montenegro is. Russia doesn't understand what its like to have allies, or even relations with other countries, as equals, which is ironic considering russia complains about not being treated as an equal.

Russia also needs to brush up on their geography since they dont seem to know where Montenegro is even at.

The constant claims of russophobia is a pathetic attempt at distraction considering the issues are with the russian government and not the russian people. Its easier to lie than it is for pro russians to admit the truth.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 01:16 PM
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a reply to: MrSpad

Its part of the Kremlin talking points trying to link NATO to "russophobia" by repeating NATO every chance they get to create a new boogeyman since ukraine blew up in their face. Their involvement in Syria will also blow up in their face and need to change the story there for their domestic audience.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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i'm a proud western man but i'll have to admit on a global scale the west acts like a psychpathic lying fat juvenile bully out for a fighting whereas russia acts like a reasonable adult.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 03:40 PM
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i'm a proud western man but i'll have to admit on a global scale the west acts like a psychpathic lying fat juvenile bully out for a fighting whereas russia acts like a reasonable adult.


So threatening the neighbors, annexing part of another countries land on a lie, then lying to his own country about their role in Ukraine, killing or jailing those who oppose him...I guess not looking at those I guess he could be acting like a reasonable adult.

Not even close to being a reasonable adult.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 06:39 PM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
Speaking of making stuff up please point out where I said shill for Putin. Secondly its ok to be scared but its not ok to hide behind being scared while pushing a false narrative about about war when no such comments were ever made.


As I said I agree that he wasn't talking about war, but you implied "shilling" for Putin in every single post that didn't suit your taste in the last week at least. It moves the attention from the argument to the pseudo-insult.


It seems the Russians are the ones pushing ethnic fear mongering. Russia is more a threat than Montenegro is. Russia doesn't understand what its like to have allies, or even relations with other countries, as equals, which is ironic considering russia complains about not being treated as an equal.


This is your opinion, not facts. Montenegro has been invited intentionally to piss off Russia and is still a country that has many many issues of russian infiltrations and who knows what could be the retaliation. In fact balkans are such a "sensible" place for wars in Europe that I wouldn't meddle with them for non issues.
Montenegro isn't even the land of Shangri-la, it's mostly run by a corrupt mafian-style government and it probably needed a "regime change" to be presentable.


The constant claims of russophobia is a pathetic attempt at distraction considering the issues are with the russian government and not the russian people. Its easier to lie than it is for pro russians to admit the truth.


Sorry but this is a baseless insult to everyone who isn't russophobic like you. You basically post and view everything through a fallacy, that russians always lie and your country propaganda machine is instead truth. This is nationalist bigotry and lowers your credibility whenever you comment on Russia. I don't think that russophobia could stick to anyone better than you on this site since most of the time it's you who distract from the argument, like in this case where you conveniently avoided to mention anything about Montenegro except that russian don't know where it is.



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: anticitizen

So threatening the neighbors, annexing part of another countries land on a lie, then lying to his own country about their role in Ukraine, killing or jailing those who oppose him...I guess not looking at those I guess he could be acting like a reasonable adult.

Not even close to being a reasonable adult.


So instead doing wars 4 times a week, torturing people abroad, manipulating every financial market, surveilling your people even when dumping, supporting terrorists and feudal states and sporting a police that kills 1k people a year is clearly the behaviour of a government that's made of reasonable adults.

Looking at how things are going, you made even Putin look like reasonable.
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posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 08:02 PM
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originally posted by: tsurfer2000h
a reply to: anticitizen




i'm a proud western man but i'll have to admit on a global scale the west acts like a psychpathic lying fat juvenile bully out for a fighting whereas russia acts like a reasonable adult.


So threatening the neighbors, annexing part of another countries land on a lie, then lying to his own country about their role in Ukraine, killing or jailing those who oppose him...I guess not looking at those I guess he could be acting like a reasonable adult.

Not even close to being a reasonable adult.


Your missing the whole big picture! Germany since the early 90s has been pressuring the U.S. into supporting every Muslim outclave to break up every Russian ally which happens to be close to Russia. The big one was Yugoslavia. German intelligence started the mess in the Balkans to support the Muslims. Russia is still furious over that. Now They tried the same stunt with Ukraine but Russia seen it coming and rushed into Crimea to stop it, support eastern Ukraine to stop the Nazis from taking control of the whole country and make it a pricey adventure for Germany.

Germany and Turkey go hand and hand through the Muslim Brotherhood. Turkey has ruled the whole med area three times in History. Turkey wants it back and you have seen this taking place through the so called Arab spring via the Brotherhood. ISIS is the Muslim Brotherhoods military wing though you wont hear that because they got such a bad name in Egypt when their corrupt leaders were escorted out.

If Turkey is allowed into the EU , Turkey plans on giving passports to all the other huge Stan nations like Kazakhstan making the EU a Muslim dominated Union overnight. Its not a joke, its very serious and vital for Russia to stop Turkey because Putin is Christianity's last hope.




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