originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Bedlam
I Need help unraveling some of my twisted internal logic, so if you could.
I am not sure I understand all of this right but maybe you guys can help.
So RF are ELF right? The human brain works on ELF and emits ELF radiation between the ranges of .5 - 30hz. Like beta and theta waves are around 7ish
hz I think. So we got really low frequencies in common.
ELF is RF. Not the other way.
Ok - here's where a lot of people get this wrong. The human brain doesn't "work" on ELF. It also doesn't emit ELF radiation.
Next, let's take a fast stop at 'what is frequency'. It's the number of times per unit time that something repetitive occurs. That's it. If your
faucet drips at 10 drips per minute, that's the drip frequency. If you burp five times a day, that's a burp frequency. Frequency is an attribute of a
cyclic phenomenon. It isn't something tangible. I can't hand you a bucket of frequency, as if 'frequency' had its own reality, separate from the
phenomena it describes.
However, two things having the same frequency doesn't mean that they are interrelated in any way at all. If my blink frequency matches the faucet drip
frequency, it doesn't insinuate that my eyes have faucet drips in. If I have a blue car, it doesn't mean that it is related to sky even if the colors
are the same. A lot of confused folk and fraudsters try this one, but it doesn't hold water.
Next, your brain waves. They're essentially meaningless, if you're looking for content. They can tell you very very basic things, like whether you are
actively processing information. But it's like looking at task manager's CPU loading number and trying to figure out what level you're at on Fallout
4. The info isn't there. I like to think of it as standing outside a football stadium listening to the crowd. You hear crowd noise that's the
aggregate of thousands of voices. That's similar to a 'brain wave' - it's the voltage aggregate of millions of neurons' membrane potentials.
From outside, I can hear peaks of noise that correspond to the game state. But it doesn't tell me who's winning or what sort of play is being run, or
what the coaches are saying to players on the bench. More, I can't stuff a stadium full of people and play crowd noise back to them from outside and
make a football game happen.
So the concept of 'brain wave' can't be thought of as really telling you a lot, or being something that contains a lot of detail or information. It's
just not there. You can't do a lot by zapping "brain waves" into someone, either. Although you might drive the crowd nuts if you turn the 'sound' up
Next, electric potential is not radio. Electrical potential doesn't radiate as a wave without some extra work to turn it into EMF. If I have a sound
card with a cable plugged into the output jack and no speaker, it doesn't radiate radio waves at audio frequency. Similarly, the small low frequency
potential waves produced by your muscles and neurons do not radiate as radio waves either. For one reason, that cable is miles too short. As are you.
You do not efficiently receive or radiate ELF because of the magnitude of difference between your head and a 7Hz radio wave - a 7Hz wave is 28000
miles long, and change. It's horrifically difficult to radiate ELF due to the wavelength.
So, don't fall into the trap of 'this thing has oscillating electric potential - therefore it's emitting that as radio'. A lot of people seem to
conflate that, and it's not true.
Nerves communicate between each other via their Resting Membrane Potential which is fairly low like somewhere around 40mV - 90mV. So it wouldn't
take a whole lot of energy to fire a nerve to communicate.
Not so much. The membrane potential isn't how they communicate - it's a byproduct of how they function. That's an entire other post. But you can't
fire a neuron by applying 40mV, or you'd be convulsing on the floor right now as you rapidly died. The power lines induce several volts of electric
potential at 50 or 60Hz across your body, yet they don't constantly fire every neuron you have.
In order to trigger a nerve to fire with an electrical signal, you have to put enough potential across the membrane to fool ion channels into opening.
That's a LOT more volts/meter than 40mV across your body. More, it takes a while for an ion channel to react. Neurons top out at about a 1KHz firing
rate. Most are less than 100Hz.
Brain Waves are controlled by Calcium Ions flooding the Thalamus. The frequency is determined by how much calcium has flooded it. Too much Calcium
ions and the signal stops and has to wait for the levels to drop before a new pulse is generated. Thus setting the time domain of the Brain Waves.
Low frequency brainwaves controlled by ions only needing small amount of juice to get motivated and move across the synapse.
The whole thing is a LOT more complex than that. The reticular activating formation changes the overall activity level of the brain, but what happens
then depends on the entire structure, the inputs it's receiving and a metric crapton of other inputs, some chemical.
Could tinsy induced (from what, you tell me. But I guess RF finessed just right or something similar) ELF Electro Magnetic energy out of phase with
the brain waves time domain force a change in the brainwaves by prodding or retarding the ion flow of the calcium into the thalamus?
If so couldn't a powerful enough directional antenna of some sort be able to induce those changes in a subjects nervous system?
A neuron is pitifully small compared to an ELF wave. Consider - an ELF radio wave with an output of 30 Watts or so is the best we've ever managed.
Now, what's the voltage slope of that scattered out over a 26000 mile long wave? What would the total voltage across a neuron's membrane be?
Also, with 26000 miles as a wavelength, "directional" isn't really something that exists. You can't be on the planet and escape the near field.
And if so, and a decade or so of research charting out all the different possible permutations and their effects on brainwaves and activity, allow for
like a.....what I wanna say is can we make like some sorta remote control with an antenna that if aimed at people can make them pop n lock and break
dance on demand?
No. It takes a trailing active sensor array hundreds of feet long to detect the voltage slope of the e-field of ELF for subs to receive it (the old
way) or a superconducting quantum interference detector to pick up the H-field. A neuron doesn't stand a chance. Plus, what would you send to someone
to cause such a complex behavior, given that you can't get more than about a 1/10 modulation noise free? When you see movies showing it taking seconds
to send characters to a sub, that's actually true. The lower the frequency, the less you can convey with it. For 7Hz, you can't send more than about
0.1 symbol per second. Not exactly the sort of thing that can impart complex behaviors. Or images, or voices. Nor can it be aimed.
I'm not really communicating my crazy idea well and I'm sure I got most of it screwed up science wise but I hope I'm getting the notion across. Any
I think a nice read on 'how do neurons fire' is in order.
edit on 3-12-2015 by Bedlam because: (no reason given)