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So we should let the mentally-ill and homeless who roam our streets starve to death?
Let the families who lost everything during the Great Recession starve to death?
Let those who are fully mentally-capable of supporting themselves yet were born in p***-poor conditions starve to death?
Now don't go and say "But there are WAY too many people exploiting the system!" because, I assure you, those who DO exploit these programs are few and far between.
Unless of course, you get all your information from Fox News, Drudge, Rusch, or Brietbart ... sites that are plagued with an almost dangerously blind form of conservativism.
Advocating self sufficiency is one thing but it's another to insinuate that everyone using social programs is abusing the system because it 's too easy to give up.
originally posted by: ghostrager
a reply to: wantsome
Apologies if I misunderstood, what part of advocating self sufficiency equated to being 'self righteous'?
Perhaps it was the part where ones self sufficiency profits themselves and you felt they should share their additional fruits?
But that's exactly what I'm saying! What if they are mentally-capable but can't find a job due to how they were raised, or if they DO have a job but the pay is so low they might as well be living in the street.
Also, please cite your sources for where you're getting this information. I'll tear them apart with simple human logic and ACTUAL EVIDENCE, but I'll give you the chance.
originally posted by: Boscov
No, we should give them free food and monthly stipens, and 1 & 1/3 votes during elections.
No, we should give them free housing and free college tuition to ensure their survival.
No, we should allow them to live in any country, anywhere they choose, and allow them to live off national taxations, no! World taxations.
Yes, the less fortunate should get everything, and the more fortunate should lose everything, that'd balance it out.
Yes, few and far between! Nevermind the few and far between seem to be increasing...let us find more fortunates and spread the wealth! We should vote on it!
Yes! Fox News has to go! Too fortunate! Let us create media based off of who is less fortunate! We could vote on it!
Yes, all conservatives are mean and bitter humans! Don't believe me? Let's vote on it!
Millions of Americans work full time, year round, for poverty-level wages. Barbara Ehrenreich decided to join them. She was inspired in part by the rhetoric surrounding welfare reform, which promised that a job -- any job -- can be the ticket to a better life. But how does anyone survive, let alone prosper, on $6 an hour? To find out, Ehrenreich left her home, took the cheapest lodgings she could find, and accepted whatever jobs she was offered.
Moving from Florida to Maine to Minnesota, she worked as a waitress, a hotel maid, a cleaning woman, a nursing-home aide, and a Wal-Mart sales clerk. She lived in trailer parks and crumbling residential motels. Very quickly, she discovered that no job is truly "unskilled," that even the lowliest occupations require exhausting mental and muscular effort. She also learned that one job is not enough; you need at least two if you intend to live indoors.
Nickel and Dimed reveals low-rent America in all its tenacity, anxiety, and surprising generosity -- a land of Big Boxes, fast food, and a thousand desperate stratagems for survival. Read it for the smoldering clarity of Ehrenreich's perspective and for a rare view of how "prosperity" looks from the bottom. You will never see anything -- from a motel bathroom to a restaurant meal -- in quite the same way again.
originally posted by: [post=20092650]ghostrager[/post
Food, shelter, and clothing aren't "rights"! Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness are. You have the freedom to live and find what makes you content, but you have to work for it.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ghostrager
Aah Milton Friedman. Good choice.
With the freedom to rise comes the freedom to fall. Though it's a difficult pill to swallow, you're right, handouts are not rights.
The reason people want government handouts is not for the sake of the poor, but because they don't want to have to do the charity themselves. The welfare state subsidizes poverty. It pays people to be poor.