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GOP Ohio governor destroys Trump in rant: ‘He’s not going to be the nominee

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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 12:27 PM
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No one cares about Jeb Bush. Were sick of the Bush family period. The last Bush president failed to protect this country on 9/11.




posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 12:30 PM
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Maybe the US is looking for leadership and not a Kumbaya singer.

Gen X is seeing how very very different the US is compared to when they grew up in the 70s and 80s.

Can we just be great again ? Can we stop being pushed around ? Can we please stem illegal immigrants who push the collective wages down ? The left is pushing the narrative that the immigration issue is not resonating with Latinos and other swing voters. I personally believe that some of the most ardent anti immigration proponents are Latino. I know my wife is. She thinks, " How dare people come illegally when it took me a degree, a year and 1000s of dollars, to get in legally."

Let's face it. Americans want someone with some balls. We have gone from the greatest nation on earth to collective mediocrity. Enough already. We can either lead or go the way of Rome.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 12:35 PM
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Without Women, the younger voters and the minorities; about all that leaves in Trumps base is old white people and a few southerners: He knows this and is just stringing along his devotees for purely egotistical reasons.

There is another strategy at work here...I think he is secretly working for Jeb and the mainstream GOP.

When Trump bails, and he will be leaving a lot of disaffected fanboys that won't vote...who will that ultimately benefit?

The reason I think the Trump candidacy was all a charade is because he really doesn't have any liquid capital to finish the race unless he gets some supporters with deep pockets.

Smoke and mirrors....amigos!



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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:18 PM
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a reply to: olaru12

Here's something to consider....

Rush Limbaugh hasn't endorsed Trump. Republicans without Rush's endorsement ain't got Jack ****!

Rush is mainstream GOP all the way. Unless Limbaugh comes out solidly for The donald....Trumps toast!

In fact it looks like Trump is dividing the GOP

insider.foxnews.com...



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:33 PM
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originally posted by: Kiwiberry
Maybe the US is looking for leadership and not a Kumbaya singer.


Trump is not a leader, he's a dictator. All of his leadership experience has revolved around signing the paychecks of those under him. He never goes to a board to defend his direction or his position, he doesn't tolerate alternative ideas in the board room, and he doesn't listen to others. It's his way or no way at all and that just doesn't work in a political atmosphere where power is divided between multiple branches.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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originally posted by: pavil
Normally I would but his fundraising has been almost nothing compared to others. Fundraising totals Oct 2015

None of the big money GOP donors are with him.....yet.


This isn't the expensive part of the campaign either. Trump has said he's willing to spend $100 million of his own money on his campaign. The campaign is estimated to cost the winner $2 billion this year. In other words Trump is willing to fund himself 5% of the way. By his own words he's selling out to the highest bidder since 95% of his winning campaign (if he wins) will need their money.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:36 PM
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Trump is not a leader, he's a dictator. All of his leadership experience has revolved around signing the paychecks of those under him. He never goes to a board to defend his direction or his position, he doesn't tolerate alternative ideas in the board room, and he doesn't listen to others. It's his way or no way at all and that just doesn't work in a political atmosphere where power is divided between multiple branches.


So given our choices and the criteria of working well with others, who do you suggest ? No one is saying that Trump is perfect, but he certainly has the momentum of the current US zeitgeist.
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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:48 PM
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originally posted by: Kiwiberry

Trump is not a leader, he's a dictator. All of his leadership experience has revolved around signing the paychecks of those under him. He never goes to a board to defend his direction or his position, he doesn't tolerate alternative ideas in the board room, and he doesn't listen to others. It's his way or no way at all and that just doesn't work in a political atmosphere where power is divided between multiple branches.


So given our choices and the criteria of working well with others, who do you suggest ? No one is saying that Trump is perfect, but he certainly has the momentum of the current US zeitgeist.


zeitgeist.....I don't think so!

He is just currently getting a lot of press because of his outrageous behavior and foolish statements. That means nothing this far away from the actual elections. For him to get any real traction; he needs more than bombastic sound bites and rabble rousing rhetoric. He has maxed out his popular support. And the Republican steering committees see this.

Real world politics dosen't care about youtube or twitter or facebook. That's just kid stuff.


With out the support of mainstream GOP party faithfuls, Trump won't get the nomination. He has just made to many enemy's in the GOP.

Perhaps a 3rd party bid would be his best bet because he is dead in the water as far as the GOP is concerned.

Here in Texas they say that Trump is all Hat, no cattle.
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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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originally posted by: Kiwiberry
Maybe the US is looking for leadership and not a Kumbaya singer.

Gen X is seeing how very very different the US is compared to when they grew up in the 70s and 80s.

Can we just be great again ? Can we stop being pushed around ? Can we please stem illegal immigrants who push the collective wages down ? The left is pushing the narrative that the immigration issue is not resonating with Latinos and other swing voters. I personally believe that some of the most ardent anti immigration proponents are Latino. I know my wife is. She thinks, " How dare people come illegally when it took me a degree, a year and 1000s of dollars, to get in legally."

Let's face it. Americans want someone with some balls. We have gone from the greatest nation on earth to collective mediocrity. Enough already. We can either lead or go the way of Rome.



But they also need a brain with those "balls"

Certainly not a racist, narcissistic , elitist, anti constitutionalist, arse hole named trump.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:52 PM
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zeitgeist.....I don't think so!

He is just currently getting a lot of press because of his outrageous behavior and foolish statements. That means nothing this far away from the actual elections. For him to get any real traction; he needs more than bombastic sound bites and rabble rousing rhetoric.

Here in Texas they say that Trump is all Hat, no cattle.

Ok fine... So who are Texans backing ? What's our alternative from your perspective ? I'd love Rand Paul to win but that's never going to happen..



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:54 PM
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originally posted by: Kiwiberry
So given our choices and the criteria of working well with others, who do you suggest ? No one is saying that Trump is perfect, but he certainly has the momentum of the current US zeitgeist.


On the right Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina are real leaders. Paul is an expert on foreign policy and has shown some real leadership qualities and Fiorina is a master at getting groups like a hostile corporate board to agree with her plans. Fiorina is a bit too much of a warmonger for me and I don't like Paul on social issues but there's no denying that both are leaders. Kasich also has a record of working well with others and he's close enough to the middle that he's actually electable (if he avoids more of those moments where he advocates for a theocracy). On the left Sanders is a leader and is proposing some very real change.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 01:58 PM
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originally posted by: Kiwiberry

zeitgeist.....I don't think so!

He is just currently getting a lot of press because of his outrageous behavior and foolish statements. That means nothing this far away from the actual elections. For him to get any real traction; he needs more than bombastic sound bites and rabble rousing rhetoric.

Here in Texas they say that Trump is all Hat, no cattle.

Ok fine... So who are Texans backing ? What's our alternative from your perspective ? I'd love Rand Paul to win but that's never going to happen..


Jeb was selected a long time ago by the neocons and the corporate military industrial complex. The real power in American politics.
Do you know how to spell politics? MONEY...... Elections are just entertainment.

If I'm wrong I'll eat my shoe laces along with a side of crow.
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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 02:06 PM
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On the right Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina are real leaders. Paul is an expert on foreign policy and has shown some real leadership qualities and Fiorina is a master at getting groups like a hostile corporate board to agree with her plans. Fiorina is a bit too much of a warmonger for me and I don't like Paul on social issues but there's no denying that both are leaders. Kasich also has a record of working well with others and he's close enough to the middle that he's actually electable (if he avoids more of those moments where he advocates for a theocracy). On the left Sanders is a leader and is proposing some very real change.


I do like Rand Paul and really loved his father. Fiorina scares the hell out of me because I was involved in selling HP goods during her reign and it wasn't pretty. Look at the history of the HP Touchpad.; the first big Android based Tablet. They could have had that market completely and they screwed the pooch under her leadership. She 100% snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

If I was in my 20s again I would probably have voted for Saunders but i don't believe (after living and working in 15+ countries now) that we can tax ourselves into prosperity, although I do believe that health care should be a basic human right, like the UN Constitution written by Eleanor Roosevelt says. I also agree on some other points he makes but I can't vote for socialism.

As bad as the choices are I am siding with Trump at the moment. You can't say that he hasn't been successful in business. He has, period.. Hell, how many times did Abraham Lincoln declare bankruptcy. Even Walt Disney did.. Non issue.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 02:11 PM
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This may give you a little insight in what is going on in Trumpland. Fox won't tell you....




Trump shunned by Hispanic GOP lawmakers as black pastors make him change campaign plans


www.rawstory.com...

Trump pissed off Hispanics early on in the campaign...why? Because he already knew he wasn't going to get the nomination. But it would rally the voters that hate Mexicans.

The world of politics isn't like it was in Mayberry with Opie, Andy and Aunt Bea....In fact it never was!

It's a brave new world.
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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: Kiwiberry
I do like Rand Paul and really loved his father. Fiorina scares the hell out of me because I was involved in selling HP goods during her reign and it wasn't pretty. Look at the history of the HP Touchpad.; the first big Android based Tablet. They could have had that market completely and they screwed the pooch under her leadership. She 100% snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.


Fiorina is bad at business, but that's just makes her persuasion skills even more impressive because she got people to go along with a bad plan.


I also agree on some other points he makes but I can't vote for socialism.


One democratic socialist (which isn't quite the same thing as just a socialist) that has their power checked by the legislative and judicial branches isn't going to make the country descend into socialism. It might get us a sane tax plan and proper social programs though. On the subject of taxes, we can't cut our way out of our current problem. The US spends less per citizen than any other developed nation, we don't have a spending problem what we have is a revenue problem. For every proposal Bernie has put forward he has included a way to fund it that raises more than it costs so that we can get the revenue problem under control.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 04:01 PM
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One democratic socialist (which isn't quite the same thing as just a socialist) that has their power checked by the legislative and judicial branches isn't going to make the country descend into socialism. It might get us a sane tax plan and proper social programs though. On the subject of taxes, we can't cut our way out of our current problem. The US spends less per citizen than any other developed nation, we don't have a spending problem what we have is a revenue problem. For every proposal Bernie has put forward he has included a way to fund it that raises more than it costs so that we can get the revenue problem under control.


Well I'll go and read his platform and answers. I just personally don't believe that socialism works, and I went to University in Sweden and have heard every argument for Socialism from the best. It MAY work with a homogeneous society under 10 million or so with a strong work ethic.. maybe. With the makeup of the US, I think it will just become one big welfare state like South Africa has. 3% of the population paying welfare for 50+ %.

I do agree with you that the rich need to pay their fair share but I also think that we need to get our companies to come back to the US, stop illegal immigration (which lowers wages drastically across the board) and force corporations working in the US to pay taxes on their income overseas, just like individuals have to. I have paid taxes to the US every year even though I lived overseas. The rules need to be the same for corporations.

I will look at Saunders platform.
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posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 05:42 PM
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You mean he's still in the race?

I guess that's one thing I learned today.



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 05:43 PM
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I have a question: When those corporations make that income overseas, aren't they taxed on it by the countries where they made it? If so, why should they be taxed on it again here?



posted on Nov, 30 2015 @ 05:46 PM
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We don't need another puppet of the elite.


Trump IS the elite.



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