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New Long Range Bomber/Attack Aircraft With Shape Shifting Hull and Wings

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posted on Dec, 1 2015 @ 03:17 AM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

Yeah that video is from 2007 so I would guess some sort of layered, shape memory material (topological insulator), at some point, might be considered a more viable option.







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posted on Dec, 1 2015 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: Jukiodone
a reply to: StargateSG7

Yeah that video is from 2007 so I would guess some sort of layered, shape memory material (topological insulator), at some point, might be considered a more viable option.



The sandwiching I think is actually done for
Strength reasons to "enforce" the shape
memory effect and its reversal.

Nitinol is weak by itself on a torsional
(i.e. twist) basis and needs to be sandwiched between wide strips of a strengthening
member so that the shaping effect occurs
ONLY along a specific axis in a very
controlled and predictable manner!

I have done further research and have
PERSONALLY concluded that Nitinol
(Nickel-Titanium) heat induced shape
memory effect is only suitable as a
test bed due to the possibility of
uncontrolled "spring release".

It is my opinion that a shape memory
effect induced by the CONTROLLED
presence or absence of an electrical
current is the more viable AND SAFER
morphing product.

Much like human muscles which use
chemical reactions induced into a
cascading effect via by a spike in
electrical current to cause muscle fibre
contraction, I am suggesting that
lightweight Aluminum or Carbon/Kevlar
strips sandwiched between an ELECTRICALLY inducible Shape Memory
material may be what was chosen for
a final test aircraft.

I am not sure what type of metal or
composite material is most able to
emulate Nitinol but be safely controlled
by electrically/hydraulically/shock
pressure triggers!

---

I think others here would have more
info on the WHO (i.e. which organizations
are ACTIVELY doing research and
development on shape shifting wing
and hull topologies).

I think we can agree that LMCO and
Northrup are a given on building this
type of tech but I am VERY curious if
Scaled Composites and Boeing have
any interest or active contracts
in this area!

Amyone else know of any specific
electrically, pressure or shock inducible
shape memory materials could be used
for morphing wings and hulls?


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posted on Dec, 1 2015 @ 09:52 AM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

Try checking out "Flexys", intelgurl mentioned this in an aircraft forum thread a while back. Besides mission adaptive wings, that they call compliant control, they have several other applications for the technology.



posted on Dec, 1 2015 @ 08:18 PM
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a reply to: Badgermole42

I'll check out the website --- thanks!

On a secondary note, I'm curious as to the Project Code Name
which i HAVE NOT been able to get as of yet from ANY of my
current sources for the Morphing Wing and Hull test craft!

All I know is that full flight envelope tester
craft has been flying since at least July 2015!



posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 03:12 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: StargateSG7

Is there a chance of a ...hidden industry that is possible?
Could some prohjects have cash vectored to the that are exclusively private?


...

The only really "private" firm is Scaled
Composites which does work on creating
Fancy prototypes which tend to get farmed
Out to the Big Four (Lmco, Northrup, Raytheon,
Boeing) for high rate production
once full flight testing is done.

The REALLY TOP SECRET stuff is done
In-Service at specific facilities in Utah,
Texas, New York, Missouri, etc under
Trade names and in non-descript
Warehouses.

The CIA (aka The Company) literally
buys front companies, leases warehouses
And does its own manufacturing via trusted
Ex-employee subcontractors or using full
CIA-hired employees. There is quite a heated rivalry between NSA and CIA
Who don't typically cooperate on projects.
The NSA has its own quite large CPU
chip-making and 3D printing/CNC plant
And the CIA mostly subcontracts.

The USAF, NAVY and ARMY have very large research labs kept separate from other
services and even secret from other
inside-service labs! The Marines and
Coast Guard have a few small mission-
specific labs but they mostly get stuff
from the big NAVY research centres.
DARPA is a research entity on its own
Directly under the control of the Pentagon
And RAND is a combined Private/University/Pentagon multi-subject research arm
With money coming from multiple parties.

Sooooo.....to answer your original question,
Everybody sleeps with everybody else and
The ONLY truly private entities are Scaled Composites and some small arms manufacturers in Texas, Colorado
and Wisconsin/Michigan.

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posted on Dec, 2 2015 @ 11:32 AM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

Then would you extrapolate answers to 3 questions?
1 who would be the production facilities for a TR3 type project?
2 who is authorized to run such equipment extraConstitutionally?
3 Which agency enforces their security?



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:13 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: StargateSG7

Then would you extrapolate answers to 3 questions?
1 who would be the production facilities for a TR3 type project?
2 who is authorized to run such equipment extraConstitutionally?
3 Which agency enforces their security?


...

A TR3b (aka Astra/Locust) would fall
Under the auspices and oversight
of a single Three Star General (USAF)
Who directly reports to the Secretary
Of Defense and the President Only!

The Joint Chiefs Of Staff (i.e. The
Military version of Executive Board
Members) would NOT be informed
Until actual Deployment of the final
Product!

Product development for those types
of programs is Full SAP (Special Access
Program) and/or Full CAP (Compartmentalized
Access-only Program) where only trusted,
well-Vetted personnel are tasked to work on
Small very well defined and separate parts
Of the larger program. Only a very few
Upper level team executive managers
would know and have access to the
Entire project overview and/or
full design specifications.

Such projects tend to be completed
in parts in multiple facilities around
the country and then shipped for final
Assembly in a leased but secure warehouse
Or at a specific specialty secret facility usually
located in California, Nevada, Puerto Rico,
Alaska, Utah, Missouri, Wisconsin, Upstate
New York, Michigan, Texas, Arizona, Minnesota,
And Washington State. Each secret facility
Tends to have an area of expertise which
Project leaders choose for technical
resource and personnel skills reasons.

In terms of funding, there is no secret,
It's all fully accounted for within The Black
Budget which can range between 45 to 62
Billion dollars per year in recent years.

It's just that Congress is only given a
line item number, budget amount and
a generic codename.

SOMETIMES the really secretive projects
Get added to the Department of Energy's
Budget under an innocuous project name
and budget amount but that's pretty rare
these days. (i.e. now it's mostly huge
computing Systems and Laser/Maser
research and Nuclear devices and systems
which are in DOE's domain)

In terms of security, mostly it's Wackenhut,
XE (i.e. Blackwater), and three other private
Firms doing the warehouse and general off-base
Guard duty. For the close-quarters and in-house
Facilities or during in-field testing, many times
Specially assigned units of Delta Force or
Navy Seals, or less often, Army Rangers are
Directed to provide such security. Those units
Have extra special vetting done and a three
month or six month rotation of personnel
within that assigned unit only. There is
usually a special financial bonus given
And a longish extra NDA (non-disclosure agreement review and reminder) and full
team and individual Debriefing done at
the end of the assignment.

..

I'm fairly familiar with some of these base
Assignments and the security measures
Taken during such projects.
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posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 02:58 AM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

The NSA and the CIA don't cooperate
With ANYONE ELSE and use only their own
Facilities and personnel to modify existing
Gear for their OWN uses!

NSA has their own CPU chip making facilities
And a bunch of fancy 3D printers/CNC machines
While the CIA has a lovely hangar or three full
Of modified aircraft, boats, drones, cars, trucks
And even bugged household items and toys
ready for deployment around the world!

I loved taking a walk through the in-house
museum...what a treasure trove of spycraft
gear and spycraft lore !!!

The Dungeon (aka lower NSA computing centre)
was a nice lookie-loo too! just don't eat
the Sloppy Joes.....lest you LIKE rarifying
The air around your colleagues !!!



posted on Dec, 3 2015 @ 05:35 PM
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a reply to: StargateSG7

What type of anti disclosure would require a lethal response?
Who is the ISA?
Does the IMF have a military faction?
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There used to be 2 NROs one was the "Office" and the other was "Organization? what happened?
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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 02:21 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: StargateSG7

What type of anti disclosure would require a lethal response?
Who is the ISA?
Does the IMF have a military faction?
There used to be 2 NROs one was the "Office" and the other was "Organization? what happened?


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The NRO (National Reconaissance Office)
If I remember correctly was carved out of
The USAF who had an Imagery Systems
Directorate as did all the other services
In the 1950's that all had their own aerial photography units, their own aircraft
And specialty photographers.

It wasn't until the imagery section
of the CIA asked for excessive
budgetary allocations starting in
the Early 1950's, that various
high level officers in the services
And the White House under the JFK
and Lyndon Johnson administrations
finally got all the services to agree
to get aerial and space imagery
from a single source.

Reluctantly the CIA and USAF gave
Up staffers and gear to a single office
That eventually became the NRO after
All the other services shut down or
Moved ther space and aerial imaging
Centers over to the NRO.

The above is a very rough outline
Because it was before my time but
Some old timers I know have a
generally similar tale to tell.

...

Regarding your other questions, as far as
I know the IMF is a political organization
Not a military one. Any police actions by
The IMF to perform "Monetary Shaping"
Within usually destitute or war torn lands
Would fall under the United Nations.
...

I have NO IDEA who the ISA is unless
you're actually talking about the
NSA or DIA or are talking about the
religious figure of Prophet ISA (aka Jesus)
...OR...what I believe I think you're referring
To based upon your previous writings on ATS
is the Israel Security Agency (ISA) which does
Close quarters protection of nuclear facilities,
Knesset politicians, and accompanies
Shin Bet/Mossad assassination squads
On global missions.....

...

If by anti-disclosure, you mean ET, there
Is no need...the UFO community does that
Job very well all by themselves via their
Own Ineptitude!

Otherwise the NSA or DIA uses disinfo
agents to stress out UFO community
members (i.e. cause mental breakdowns
Much like what happened to Bennewitz
et al...) ... Or TPTB otherwise sends
Enforcers like ME who rather ENJOY using
Sledge hammers on fidgety fingers to
make my eloquent points known about the
displeasures of THE POWERS THAT BE
Regarding the disclosure of the actual
existence of various Alien Groups living
on or visiting Earth going back more
than a Billion+ Years ago....

In the old days, we just invoked 20 year
Sentencing threats over National Security.
Nowadays, the Gen-Y's are lippier and
don't listen so well, so my shiny new
Colt-45 on the table and a heavy
Sledge Hammer Hovering over a
pinned hand are what is required
To get their cooperation! I almost
Never have take an actual whack
Which usually ends before knuckle #2!

The Taser jolts to their Juevos adds
Extra poignancy to my explanations
as to WHY it's a bad idea to cross us...

;-) :-)



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posted on Dec, 4 2015 @ 10:50 PM
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I would wonder if YOU thought it was neccessary to hide UFO stuff.
ISA are army guys.
en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 12:44 AM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: StargateSG7

I would wonder if YOU thought it was neccessary to hide UFO stuff.
ISA are army guys.
en.wikipedia.org...

...

Once I saw FOG (Field Operations Group)
Only THEN did I know who ISA is...it seems
the names have changed..... :-)

I never interacted with FOG (that I know of!)
since that was before my time and I was,
Kinda/sorta am involved in the computing
systems/imaging/Making nice round holes
side of things....

ISA (aka FOG) would NOT likely have been
Directed to Anti-disclosure operations since
the CIA is tasked with External-to-USA political
Counter-Ops and the NSA is tasked with
Inside North America political counter-ops.

FOG sits on hilltops and hides in vans, or in
Apartment suites taking photos and notes
Of people and places to strike at on a purely
Tactical basis. A tactical demolition or
Sniper-oriented Delta, Seal and Ranger
team would be assigned the close quarters
strike part or an AC130 does the work
From on high or a Reaper gets sent....!!!

For targets in Western Countries, it usually
Gets pawned off to Isreal or to the UK for
Tne Makem Dead projects or to normal
police SWAT/FBI/Federal Marshal teams
for arrest and detain ops.
...

Regarding UFO material and personnel, it's
All a waste of time since Special Systems and
Projects are COMMONLY mistaken for said
UFO's...then add in common media handling
Tactics attached to group and targeted
individual psychological shaping operations,
It all but becomes nearly impossible to
Tell which is ET or not.....

Does ET exist? YUP!
92 billion light years of visible universe
Full of Galaxies with a total of many
QUADRILLIONS of stars tells me
OH YES! ET DOES EXIST!

Have I ever met one in person?

PROBABLY YEAH...................


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posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 03:05 AM
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Do you think ET SHOULD be concealed from the masses?
Why?



posted on Dec, 5 2015 @ 08:43 PM
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originally posted by: cavtrooper7
a reply to: StargateSG7

Do you think ET SHOULD be concealed from the masses?
Why?


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I will explain it in this way...we humans have
NO CONTROL AT ALL as to the disclosure
Of ET to the masses...A Five Million tonne
Starship hovering over the White House
Would DEFINITELY Do the job...!!!

The ONLY reason why disclosure hasn't
yet happened is that the aliens PERSONALLY
AGREE with the assessment by politically
powerful people that general disclosure
Is not viable at this time!

ET exists! Period! Deal With It !!!

However, since general Earth-visiting ET's
are NOT the most powerful entities around,
their decision to not disclose can also be
EASILY overridden as seen fit by Others....
And there is not a damn thing ET or
human political figures could do about it!

And I will leave it at that .....!!!

In my case disclosure has already happened
And doesn't bug me either way...on a personal
Basis i am not sure some humans would be able
To handle disclosure due to closemindedness
And a 12th Century mindset...they would react
rather badly to ET disclosure!

The much-bigger entities could put a stop to
Any shenanigans by either humans or ET ...
...BUT ....we are mere toys/ants to them...
And their motivations are neither human
NOR ET-centric.....



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posted on Dec, 10 2015 @ 06:19 PM
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I know you expressed a hint of finality in your last post, but I know I'll regret it if I don't at least ask. When you talk about "Others" and "bigger-entities" are you referring to (for lack of a better term) inter/extra-dimensional beings?



posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 05:38 PM
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In a sense, that's quite predictable! Just look at the gaps.

Remember when the AF and CIA were perfectly fine with retiring the SR-71 suddenly? They talked 'satellites, yadda yadda'.

Well, uh, rapidly taskable reconaissance with unpredictable flight path is a pretty nice thing to have, and satellites don't cut it. We're pretty sure now that they've had something else for a while.

And the F117A and FB-111 have been retired for a while and the Air Force is dead set on retiring A-10? They're talking 'F35, yadda yadda'.

Well, uh, survivable ground attack is a pretty nice thing to have, and F-35 is sort of weak at it.

Next up, stealth tankers and JSTARs.
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posted on Dec, 11 2015 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: Tajlakz
a reply to: StargateSG7

I know you expressed a hint of finality in your last post, but I know I'll regret it if I don't at least ask. When you talk about "Others" and "bigger-entities" are you referring to (for lack of a better term) inter/extra-dimensional beings?


---

I will say this...Non-Euclidian N-Space (got that term from some
documentation sent to me from years ago!) is a way of describing
a living space that contains those who have the ability to manipulate
quantum states (i.e. ensure wave-function collapse) which will govern
the behaviour of our larger more-molecular world.

And ANYTHING that has the ABILITY to CHANGE or ENSURE that
quantum states are set to a specific level AUTOMATICALLY precludes
them from being mere ET or Humans --- They Are Gods! PERIOD !!!!

And to explain the term EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL, I will use
some computer science terminology, to express how
humanity's world looks.

Human_World = Array [ ZERO to X1 by ZERO to Y1 by ZERO to Z1 ] of Time Units;

and

Extra_Dimensional_World = Array [ ZERO to X2 by ZERO to Y2 by ZERO to Z2 ] of Human_World;

And since the Extra_Dimensional_World is located on a "Higher-level"
ARRAY INDEX, it means that extra dimensional being can access ANY
index BELOW it's own so that means very much like an anti-virus
program, it can examine ANY single one or series of human-world
time-slices JUST BEFORE they are "run" on the main CPU.

This means that said extra dimensional being can CHANGE and
JUMP INTO or MOVE OUT OF any human world time slice at any
time and if necessary modify the contents of any time slice
as it sees fit! So that makes the EB's gods for all practical purposes.

Extra Dimensions are a mathematical construct dealing
with collections and storage of data values. That construct
is also very useful in describing what an extra dimension is
in relation to the physical world and how our universe is
LIKELY to be laid out on a quantum physics-basis.

Because any array element on a lower dimension is accessible
and modifiable by indexing to it from a higher array dimension
it means any RESIDENT of a higher level array dimension ALWAYS
has access to ANY INDEX on a lower level array dimension.
AND any LOWER dimension has no way to access an upper-level
array dimension because the upper level "indexing variable" can't
be "seen" or manipulated by the lower level resident.

And taking the computer software analogy again, we humans
only have Ring-3 Privileges on the main CPU chip being only able
to see our own end-user folder and personal documents, while the
Extra-Dimensional being has Ring-O Administrator privileges and
can see and manipulate EVERY folder and EVERY document
of ANY end-user and can DO what they want without us EVER
seeing or being AWARE of what is being done to our life
files and folder. Ergo, "The Others" are "Gods" to use humans!

So YES! In fact, the Universe IS a Matrix and YOU ARE
just one of it's Batteries!

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posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 07:50 PM
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Electrical operation of the air frame is a fun idea. Insulating it from from lightning strike or other electrical discharges could make the whole idea invalid. Imagine having the shape change suddenly on one wing. OOPS....
It's a small point but it acts like a big hammer.



posted on Jan, 19 2016 @ 08:38 PM
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Love to know the TOE these guys get to play with.
Almost MIB stuff.

What about in times of a national war would some see early deployment
?
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posted on Jan, 22 2016 @ 04:14 PM
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It's almost obvious once you start looking at the holes:
* AF is very eager to retire A-10
* F-111 retired
* F-117B retired
* F-15E and AC-130 not surivable against anti-air
* F-22, too much demand elsewhere

The holes in the capability matrix point to a medium A-X craft.

And the LRS-B bomber is going to retire the B1B, not the B-52.

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