A Push in the Australian Senate to Reexamine the Purchase of the F-35

a reply to: Obi88

The T-50 isn't a supersonic bomber, it's a fifth generation fighter.

a reply to: Obi88

And? The US is the only country with fifth generation aircraft in service or entering service.

a reply to: Obi88

No they weren't. You should bother to actually read what happened instead of sitting back and laughing about it.

www.rt.com... China's pretty smart, why do we want the f-35 ?

a reply to: Obi88

And did you bother to read it? It was a static test airframe, that was at the equivalent of well over 3/4ths of its projected life cycle, nearly 7,000 equivalent flight hours and over 13,000 hours of testing.

And what do you have to say about the legacy aircraft that don't have nearly that many hours on them that have worse cracks than this was. Those are ok, right? Since they're not F-35s.

a reply to: Obi88

And what would you do? Buy more F-18s, that are going to get slaughtered going up against new air defense systems?

a reply to: CovertAgenda

Future fighter aircraft should be selected on the basis of needs and requirements of the future they will be expected to operate in, as well as the state of technology now and into the future.

Not the needs and requirements of 1980.

I'm not getting anything good on it... This is most of the info haters gon hate

a reply to: Obi88

Amazing how when you only look for bad things, you find bad things. I can find plenty of links that are reporting good things, and you'll just say that all are propaganda or lies.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Obi88

And what would you do? Buy more F-18s, that are going to get slaughtered going up against new air defense systems?

if we buy the very expensive un finished f-35s our air defence will drop.. Our hornets have years of upgrades and are fitted with the latest gear. If we are to get new fighters, it's gotta be the Su-35.

a reply to: Obi88

So you'd spend just as much, if not more, buying an aircraft that requires major changes to be able to accept Western weapon systems that it can't accept now, or buy them and then completely overhaul your weapons systems buying Russian weapons that are incompatible with any of your allies.

It doesn't matter if your Hornets are heavily modified, they're not going to survive long against S400s and K77Ms. Neither will your precious Su-35s.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Obi88

Amazing how when you only look for bad things, you find bad things. I can find plenty of links that are reporting good things, and you'll just say that all are propaganda or lies.

Haha I know. Man how r us humans gonna live in this world. U gotta admit, if u were aussie and in my shoes. The cheaper Su-35 has to be the better buy. We could get double the planes, offer more jobs for pilots,mechanic,ect,ect.. And down the track if the f-35 is fully developed and peaking....well the t-50 will be out then

a reply to: Obi88

The Su-35 flyaway cost is $65M, equipped with Russian equipment. By the time you add Western engines, sensors, Link 16, complete wiring harness to talk to weapons, it's going to cost you as much, if not more than a single F-35A. So you're not saving crap by buying Su-35s.

a reply to: Obi88

I am Australian.

Misinformed opinions like yours are dangerous.

- Su-35 does not have western avionics therefore is largely incompatible with our communications systems.
- Su-35 weighs 40% more than a F-35 and has twice as many engines. It's a bigger aircraft and burns more fuel therefore I find it unlikely it's going to be significantly cheaper to maintain or buy.
- Su-35 is primarily a air superiority aircraft therefore does not meet requirements.
- Su-35 has not been integrated with western weapons.

What do you get when you take a Su-35 and attempt to fix those problems? You get huge development cost and massive increase in unit cost. F-15 is more expensive than the F-35, Su-35 is significantly bigger than the F-15 therefore imagine how much that thing would cost. In addition you would end up with a 4th generation aircraft that still isn't stealth.

In all terrible idea.