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The excavations works conducted in the area have unearthed equipment belonging to various civilizations.
The findings include sepulcher ruins from the late Roman era, along with two “Bezirhanes” (a seed oil process unit) dating back to early periods of Anatolian civilization.
Additionally, fragments from pots and pans used in houses and kitchens, dating back to periods from the late Roman era to the early Byzantine period have been found during the archaeological dig. Pipes and oil-lamps have also been unearthed from the Ottoman and early Republican era.
Again, Ephorus, [reference to earlier historian, Ephorus of Cyme, 400-330 BC] in the passage where he claims the locality in question for the Cimmerians, says: They live in underground houses, which they call "argillae," and it is through tunnels that they visit one another, back and forth, and also admit strangers to the oracle, which is situated far beneath the earth; and they live on what they get from mining, and from those who consult the oracle, and from the king of the country, who has appointed them fixed allowances; and those who live about the oracle have an ancestral custom, that no one should see the sun, but should go outside the caverns only during the night; and it is for this reason that the poet speaks of them as follows: "And never does the shining sun look upon them"; but later on the Cimmerians were destroyed by a certain king, because the response of the oracle did not turn out in his favour; the seat of the oracle, however, still endures...
...where people dwell Whom a perpetual cloud obscures outright,to whom the cheerful sun lends never light...But night holds fix'd wings, feather'd all with banes, above those most unblest Cimmerians..where Cimmerian people have their homes—their realm and city shrouded in mist and cloud. The eye of the sun can never flash his rays through the dark and bring them light/....
Cimmerians in Transcaucasia and the Near East. According to intelligence reports sent to the Assyrian king Sargon II between 720 and 714 b.c.e., King Rusā I of Urarṭu marched his troops to KUR Gamir(ra) “land of the Cimmerians” but was defeated
ccording to another Assyrian intelligence report (Lanfranchi and Parpola, no. 145; Deller, no. 2.1), Cimmerians did invade Urarṭu from the territory of Mannea (the country south of Lake Urmia); the document is datable to the same years (720-14 b.c.e.), but, as the context differs from that of Rusā’s campaign against the “country of Cimmerians,” it is probable that it deals with a different phase of the conflict.
Transcaucasia was in fact the base from which Cimmerian troops marched, probably until the beginning of the reign of Aššurbanipal (668-ca. 625 b.c.e.). In 679 the Cimmerian king Teušpa was defeated by the Assyrians near the city Ḫubušsnu (perhaps in Cappadocia
As we left the town and began to enter into the countryside i began to get the sense that we were travelling back in time, the grassland shone like gold in the sun and became ever more primordial in feel.
Eventually as we followed the road we began to arrive at an imposing forest, the deeper we entered in the more dark and gloomily ominous the atmosphere was, and it became increasingly apparent that there had been extensive flooding as pools of water began to be seen everywhere.
To the side i saw a huge and mighty tree that had fallen and was lying within a lake of remaining flood water, we began to emerge from the forest following this sight and arrived at a small stone bridge were on the other side the road began to make steep ascent up a hill.
At first the car seemed unable to make headway up the hill such was its steepness, but then my friend seemed to engage a different mode, and we began to ascend increasingly rapidly, all the dials on the dashboard were spinning around and around, and even though a torrent of water began to surge down the road we forced our way through it.
At the top of the hill all was calm, i got out of the car and left my friend, and before me was a wooden mountain hut, i went up to the door and knocked, and it was opened by myself as a child, peeping round from the door with a bashful smile.
I entered into the gloomy interior and saw there were women that either looked Romany or Jewish, that were wearing head scarves, they were silent and seemed pensive and somehow ashamed, sitting scattered in corners of the dark interior by the windows with curtains drawn.
Within the room also were small and formal sunken pools of bright crystal clear water in which young toddlers were playing, which had the appearance of cherubs, with overly rounded bodies and large heads without hair, these happily splashed about in the pools as if water was their preferred habitat, this contrasted with the attitude of their Mothers.
Also within the pool was a horizontal ladder type climbing frame for the children, i got in the pool and crawled along it from one side to the next and then emerged.
There was a curtained entranceway to the rear of the room, i drew back the curtain and entered into a cavernous series of labyrinth passageways carved into the rock. As i made my way through these passages i began to come come across the blackened, seemingly burnt, bodies of women with large dead babies lying alongside them, the wombs of the women appeared to have been torn open and the unborn babies removed.
These were laid in or close to cubicles cut into the rock off the passageways, with low retaining walls such that they had the appearance of pens, i began to see more and more of these bodies until i saw a great number and then i awoke.
originally posted by: peter vlar
I've got a couple of books I'll look through in the morning and I'll see if I can find a more definitive answer to issues with addiction and personal use but I think most of my Mesopotamia literature is from Kramer and while the quality of his work, particularly his translations, was exemplary, I don't recall hi, touching on this subject. Somebody has to have a more definitive answer and I'll be damned if I don't find it now haha
Thompson painstakingly sought to identify each plant mentioned in the tablets, both from the general context in which it’s name appeared and by reference to other cuneiform texts. He then adduced philological evidence from other languages before comparing his conclusions with the findings of other scholars, taking fully into account the ancient, mediaeval and modern usage of drugs in the Middle East. His work remains important, despite valid criticism that there were many errors in his identification of the 115 or so drugs. A number of his findings were revised in a posthumous publication, but his mistaken belief that the wild poppy, papaver rhoeas L, produced narcotic substances persisted and has continued to mislead...This has resulted in the widespread belief that opium was used 5000 years ago in Sumer. This situation has been further confounded by the suggestion that a third millennium BC ideogram on a clay tablet from the holy city of Nippur depicted HUL GIL, the plant of joy, this allegedly being the opium poppy. That opinion was originally expressed in a personal communication from a professor at Yale. There is no evidence to support it.
originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Kantzveldt
I can't remember where the hell I read this but it concerned the huge temple in Baalbeck. I read that the locals use to shelter under its stones with their cattle when fire balls reigned down on the earth.
Going underground had to be for a good reason its not a choice humans would make naturally and it must have been done over a period of time construction-wise - caves one can understand but not cities and especially so early on I would have thought. I seem to recall a lot about unexplained under ground tunnels existing in Europe also. Perhaps there is a time in history we have not quite understood or found recorded yet?
originally posted by: Anaana
a reply to: randyvs
The archaeologist said that the site could rewrite the history of the city. Not all history, if that is what you thought. The editor or writer of the article that the OP used as a source just chose to cut it for, I suppose, sensational purposes. Is that what you were referring to?