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An inconvenient truth - Knights Templar

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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:06 AM
The Roma migration began shortly before 1000 A.D., when the Roma make their first appearance in recorded history in the Shahnameh ( The book of Kings ), or Persian Book of Kings.

The cause of the Roma diaspora is unknown. One theory suggests the Roma were originally low-caste Hindus recruited into an army of mercenaries, granted warrior caste status, and sent westwards to resist Islamic military expansion.
Or perhaps the Muslim conquerors of northern India took the Roma as slaves and brought them home, where they became a distinct community; Mahmud of Ghazni reportedly took 500,000 prisoners during a Turkish/Persian invasion of Sindh and Punjab.

In 1378 a law passed by the governor of Nauplion in the Greek Peloponnese confirming privileges for the "Atstingani" is "the first documented record of Romany gypsies in Europe. " Similar documents, again representing the Roma as a group that had been exiled from Egypt, record them reaching Brasov, Transylvania in 1416; Hamburg, Holy Roman Empire in 1418; and Paris in 1427.

By the 16th century, Roma had reached Scotland and Sweden (although DNA evidence from mid 11th century skeletons in Norwich suggest that at least a few individuals may have arrive earlier, perhaps due to Viking enslavement of Romani from the eastern Mediterranean or liaisons with the Varangians. Some Roma migrated from Persia through North Africa, reaching Europe via Spain in the 15th century. Both currents met in France.

Their early history shows that many European leaders valued them, or at least did not wish harm upon them. A 1596 English statute gave Roma special privileges that other wanderers lacked; France passed a similar law in 1683. Most states in the Holy Roman Empire, however, banned Roma altogether. Catherine II of Russia, seeking a middle ground, declared the Roma "crown slaves" (a status superior to serfs), but also kept them out of certain parts of the capital.

The original Finnish Kale were Romani groups who came to Finland ,via Sweden, in the 16th century, leaving the kingdoms of Scotland and England.

From 1637 - 1748; All Romani groups were declared outlaws who could be hanged without trial.

The St Clair family had a curious affinity for gypsies, at a time when the laws against harbouring them were stringent.

In the middle of the 16th century, Sir William St Clair, grandson of the chapel builder, not only allowed gypsies to live in a part of Rosslyn Castle, but also intervened to save a gypsy from the gallows on Borough Moor. After this, it became the custom for gypsies to gather in Roslin Glen every May and June to perform plays. (The St Clairs of Caithness also protected gypsies in their lands.)

Significantly the plays that they performed were those telling the tales of Robin Hood - which were also then, like the gypsies, banned by law, because of their pagan and subversive undertones.

(The two towers of Rosslyn Castle in which the gypsies lived were called 'Robin Hood' and 'Little John'.)

Such was the gypsy presence in Roslyn Glen that it became the subject of a Privy Council Enactment in 1623. This pointed out that the law required those in authority to 'execute to the deid the counterfeit thieves and limmers, the Egyptians' and complained that within the St Clair lands at Rosslyn 'they have a peaceful receipt and abode as if they were lawful subjects'. The Privy Council ordered that the Sheriff of Rosslyn - himself a Sinclair - to 'pass, search, hunt and pursue the said vagabond thieves' and to bring them to Edinburgh for punishment for the offence of simply being 'Egyptians'. Eight gypsy men were hanged, and their wives and children sentenced to be drowned, but the King commuted the sentence to banishment from Scotland.

The Roma community still withholds the traditions of being the Knights Templar, many parts of the community have forgotten were the Symbolics of the horse comes from, many of the communities , societies even states, are built by the laws that came with their way of living.

Solomons stable is the Symbol

The Secret societies of today does not want their name affiliated with the community of a Gipsy yet everything they made is because of a group of people who are erased from History.
The Roma group in Romania were slaves taken by a Warlord, what they dont tell you, 6000BC another group emigrated from the same area and crossed the known world for thousands of years. Wherever they settled laws where made. Until one day, someone wanted them all dead..

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:22 AM
a reply to: rajas

I think you'll find a lot of sense in the book, 'We - The Skythians' By David Alan Ritchie.

He worked long and hard on this book. There are hardback copies available but very expensive and hard to get. According to comments under this video a downloadable version may be available any day.

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 02:28 AM
I thought Knights Templar evolved into Rosicrucian?

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:03 AM
a reply to: Kester

I believe you make it all to complex, a gift of sanctuary was the Roslyn Chapel.. Many of them where skilled craftsmen, legacies that passed from generation to generation, skilled metal workers, builders.. The name changed and became what we see today..

The witch hunt that was carried out killed all the ones who understood how the world is made and built upon.. The society died when everything was about survival.. They became just like any other culture..

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:12 AM
a reply to: rajas

There was a glass picture in Rosslyn Chapel showing Mary Magdalene Pregnant with what appears to be the child of Jesus. I wonder if this is in anyway related to this.

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:30 AM
a reply to: starwarsisreal

Virgin Mary is the mother of Jesus Christ, Mary Magdalene was a follower of Jesus.

A Black Madonna or Black Virgin is a statue or painting of Mary in which she is depicted with dark skin, especially those created in Europe in the medieval period or earlier. The Black Madonnas are generally found in Catholic countries. The term refers to a type of Marian statue or painting of mainly medieval origin (12th to 15th centuries), with dark or black features.

The black madonna and Kali is the same deity, meaning Virgin Mary, is kali.

Once a year, gypsies from all over the world head to Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer in the South of France, to pay homage to Saint Sarah. According to tradition, Sarah was a gypsy who lived in a small seaside town when Jesus’ aunt, Mary Salome, arrived with other refugees trying to escape from persecution by the Romans.
The statue of Sarah, dressed in beautiful robes, is taken from somewhere near the church (since the Vatican has never canonized her) and carried in procession as far as the sea, through narrow streets strewn with roses. Four gypsies dressed in their traditional clothes place the relics in a boat filled with flowers and repeated the arrival of the fugitives and their meeting with Sarah. From that moment on, everything involved music, feasting, singing and showing one’s courage in front of a bull.

It is easy to identify Sarah as another of the many black Madonnas to be found in the world. Sara-la-Kali, says the tradition, came from noble lineage and knew the secrets of the world. In my mind, she is one of the many manifestations of what they call the Mother Goddess, the Goddess of Creation.
Every year the festival at Saintes-Maries-de-la-Mer attracts more and more people who have nothing to do with the gypsy community. Why is that? The reason is because God the Father is always associated with the rigor and discipline of religion. On the contrary, the Mother Goddess shows the importance of love above all the prohibitions and taboos that we know so well.

The phenomenon is no novelty; whenever religion makes its rules tougher, a significant group of people tends to seek for more freedom in spiritual contact. This happened during the Middle Ages, when the Catholic Church confined itself to imposing taxes and building luxury-filled convents; the reaction was the appearance of a phenomenon called “witchcraft”, which, despite being repressed on account of its revolutionary character, left roots and traditions that have managed to survive across all these centuries.

In earlier traditions, the cult of nature is more important than reverence for the holy books; the Goddess is in everything, and everything is part of the Goddess. The world is just an expression of her goodness. There exists many philosophical systems, such as Taoism and Buddhism, that do away with the distinction between creator and creature. People no longer try to decipher the mystery of life, but rather, take part in it.

In the cult of the Great Mother, what we call “sin”, generally a transgression of arbitrary moral codes, is far more flexible. Customs are freer, because they are part of nature and cannot be considered the fruits of evil. If God is a mother, then all that is necessary is to join together and worship her through rites that try to satisfy her feminine soul, such as dancing, fire, water, air, earth, singing, music, flowers and beauty.

The tendency has grown enormously over the last few years. Perhaps we are witnessing a very important moment in the history of the world, when at last Spirit integrates with Matter, and they unify and change.

The church made the 72 Latin rules written by Bernard de Clairvaux (1090–1153) and Hugues de Payens( Laws ) into the Lesser key of Solomon ( Demons )

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:31 AM
a reply to: violet

I read the Rosicrucian manifesto, they are just as power hungry as the rest.. I thought they would be different..

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:32 AM
a reply to: starwarsisreal

You decide.

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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 03:36 AM
a reply to: starwarsisreal

Gipsy ring

Emblem templar

Borgia repainted Jesus, the theory goes to his own image

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 06:38 AM
a reply to: rajas

The methods uncovered predict earth changes through understanding harmonic patterns in the Earth's resonance.
It is complex. But the mathematics all add up.

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 06:41 AM
Recent DNA evidence proves you are correct. Roma DNA can be traced back to the Punjab.

Joseph Jones of the Gypsy Council said early photographs show British gypsies with Indian facial features and styles of dress until 100 years ago.

He said the new study was helpful because it had scientifically confirmed the Indian origin of Britain and Europe's Roma community

edit on 29-11-2015 by 0hlord because: (no reason given)

Here's where it gets confusing though...

Some of the Roma people claim to have Egyptian origins. And claim the word Roma itself comes from Egypt.

This makes me think, we are perhaps talking here about with two distinct but ostensibly similar groups of migrant wanderers. However...

The origins of Kali the "black" goddess in Hindu mythology according to scholars can be traced to India's West coast, where Kush-ite explorers came from east Africa (modern day Egypt +Sudan).

So we are perhaps talking about as you claim a much more ancient group of people with a common lineage...

But this begs the question, how could such a distinctly unique group survive all the political and spiritual upheaveals of the past 7000 years... Including their persecution at the hands of the Nazis along with Jews and others, still have maintained their unique culture identity recognisable to this day?
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posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 07:02 AM
a reply to: 0hlord

Thousands of years separates the three groups, sinthi, kale, roma.. Known altogether as gypsies..

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 07:05 AM
a reply to: Kester

You can use a chladni plate to find patterns, otherwise it's observing nature, the math you see is nothing more than nature in disguise

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 07:07 AM
a reply to: rajas
Aha, but you're saying they share a common lineage?

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 07:39 AM
a reply to: 0hlord

They share a common culture, it's a cast system. Lineage probably not.. If we just go by fact, there are three distinct travel patterns.. And wherever they had been, a cultural society with laws emerged.. Knowledge was observing, not imagination, the rituals of then, means nothing today but are practiced by secret societies cause it gives a meaning..

Magic only exist if you believe it

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 07:45 AM
a reply to: rajas

Yeah, I get you...

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 08:38 AM
a reply to: Kester

Your translation is possibly slightly off/doctored according to the Archaelogical Data Service and their translation opens a can or worms probably deliberately kept hidden by the vested interests of the priests from judaism and christianity.

Ete, Adopted daughter of (Foran) of the race of the Sons of Huas. Lord of Light! El and Isi! Oromasdes! Father of the Word!.

Oromasdes (the first of the Zoroastrian trinity).

There you have Christianity's and Judaism's problem "Father of the Word" not just the word itself as the beginning of everything.

There are only traces of this that are left but speculation about the Roma and their link to Soloman may well be based on some interesting links. The history of the Sons of Huan has all but been destroyed except in Ireland and the stone from which this translation is taken. However, there are links to the Northmen's history with Norway and apparently early Norwegian dna has traces of the Roma so there. The Roma were/are a wandering tribe so we shouldn't be surprised that they t5ravelled and took their beliefs and skills with them.

The above translation when linked to Soloman takes one into the research in the books by Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett whereby it is proposed that the missing tribes is Israel left Babylon and went north and across Europe to England/Wales. Again utterly controversial to the desert religions' dogma, so obviously where these tribes disappeared to is not for public information. It gives us the link though through to early information about Soloman and many of the beliefs some Roma apparently have and why many settle in the UK as though they are picking up on some ancestral echo from the past.

The other point of interest I find is that the Roma were iron workers. Now these tradesmen were highly valued for very obvious reasons but originally they had to have learned their skills somewhere. Moving onto another interesting link to Joseph of Aramathia another in the metal industry and his coming to Britain/ Glastonbury. But the centre of all of this is that the desert religions are all founded on the Pagan's knowledge because they knew perfectly well about the "Word" from which all life issued and its as the title says somewhat of an inconvenience to what is regarded today as truth. The Sons of Huas and the Father of the Word seem to echo back to the Garden of Eden (if one wants to run with this).

Great thread. S&F

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 09:26 AM
a reply to: Shiloh7

Another group walloons similar physique and looks same craftmanship skills..

Hitler saw the walloon as true aryans ( Walloon Legion )

Royal House of Sweden are descendants of Walloons

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 09:28 AM
a reply to: rajas

Horses are very important to Gypsies in Finland. Not because what is in your claim them being Knights Templar but the reason is their travelling nature.

What comes to Borgia. Cesare Borgia illegiment son of Pope Alexander VI is said to be the image used in paintings representing Jesus.

Gypsy ring you posted do not proof you are right.

Knights Templar, not only English thing, there were many Knights Templars for example in Scandinavia and being decendant of , i know for sure Knights in Scandinavia were no gypsies, intead they came from noble families.

posted on Nov, 29 2015 @ 09:41 AM
a reply to: dollukka

Horses are very important to Gypsies in Finland. Not because what is in your claim them being Knights Templar but the reason is their travelling nature.

You honor the horses by making a golden ring, with a horseshoe and a horse with seven gems? Cause horses are important? Maybe you are right
The Female finish gypsies wear a brooch, is it part of the culture? Cause its good looking?

A gipsy never wears anything if it doesnt imply something of great stature, simple honesty.

The watch, the ring, and the brooch.

Knights Templar, not only English thing, there were many Knights Templars for example in Scandinavia and being decendant of , i know for sure Knights in Scandinavia were no gypsies, intead they came from noble families.

The Poor Fellow-Soldiers of Christ and of the Temple of Solomon are the knights templar

The modern problem is that to many stories becomes a cocktail of lies. Just like the KKK and their White Knights who was portrayed a couple of weeks ago.
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