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originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: dragonridr
Striking a known hospital is WAR CRIME!
Dont prentend they didn't know it was a hospital.
It freaking amazes me that some will defend this kind of murder, more than amazement, I am truly disturbed that one will go thru a mental gymnastics routine in order to justify BOMBING A HOSPITAL!
International Humanitarian Law specifically prohibits military attacks on medical personnel and units. The Fourth Geneva Convention specifies in Article 20 that “Persons regularly and solely engaged in the operation and administration of civilian hospitals… shall be respected and protected.” Other articles forbid the destruction, closure (whether temporary or permanent), or knowing interruption of the supply of food, water, medicines, or electricity to civilian hospitals and clinics. Article 19 notes that protection of civilian hospitals and mobile or permanent units may be forfeited if “they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: dragonridr
Care to present any evidence that there were terrorist(or enemy combatants since terrorist is truly a vague term) in said Doctors Without Borders hospital, and there presence was a threat?
Burden of proof is not on me to prove there were no terrorists in the hospital. You are asking me to prove the impossible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is the hospital was clearly marked with the red cross and the GPS coordinates were given to the proper authorities.
edit on 30-11-2015 by jrod because: blowing smoke is all you are doing here!
KABUL – The U.S. military aircraft that attacked an Afghan hospital over the weekend made at least five passes over it dropping explosives, even though two flags draped across the roof of the building marked it as a medical facility, hospital officials said Thursday.
again as you fail to understand if you join the military you are expected to kill if you are asked/ordered to
originally posted by: saadad
a reply to: Reverbs
I hope this guys were smart and withdraw all the money from bank before they whistleblow.
In other words, never keep your money on bank. If you need to keep some money on bank, keep the minimum that you really need. The rest keep in the mattes.
You sign an agreement which changes your rights. You no longer fall under the Constitution you bind yourself to UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE.
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: dragonridr
Care to present any evidence that there were terrorist(or enemy combatants since terrorist is truly a vague term) in said Doctors Without Borders hospital, and there presence was a threat?
Burden of proof is not on me to prove there were no terrorists in the hospital. You are asking me to prove the impossible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is the hospital was clearly marked with the red cross and the GPS coordinates were given to the proper authorities.
edit on 30-11-2015 by jrod because: blowing smoke is all you are doing here!
No the hospital wasn't marked had it been they wouldn't have mistaken it for the NDS building. That building was over run by Taliban fighters. It is 500 meters north east of the hospital. The mistake occurred because the crew of the c 130 thought they identified the correct building obviously they didn't. They went off a description given by afgan troops and were not even aware there was a hospital in the area since they were called in from another area and had not received any briefings. I'm sure the guys aboard that c130 were shocked when they found out. But apparently you know differently your accusing them of knowing hitting a hospital which they know is an unlawful order. I'm sure you can tell me why they would do that and present something since you seem to think it's a war crime and a deliberate act on them to kill the doctors.
The bombing took place despite the fact that MSF had provided the GPS coordinates of the trauma hospital to Coalition and Afghan military and civilian officials as recently as Tuesday, September 29, to avoid that the hospital be hit. As is routine practice for MSF in conflict areas, MSF had communicated the exact location of the hospital to all parties to the conflict.
originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: dragonridr
You sign an agreement which changes your rights. You no longer fall under the Constitution you bind yourself to UNIFORM CODE OF MILITARY JUSTICE.
You are partially right your rights are changed but you still have to follow the constitution just as the UCMJ has to follow the Constitution.
originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: stuthealien
again as you fail to understand if you join the military you are expected to kill if you are asked/ordered to
All you know about the military is what you have seen in movies and on tv. In the real military you have every right to refuse to kill anyone if it goes against the constitution or the Geneva convention.
originally posted by: Tyrion79
originally posted by: dragonridr
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: dragonridr
Care to present any evidence that there were terrorist(or enemy combatants since terrorist is truly a vague term) in said Doctors Without Borders hospital, and there presence was a threat?
Burden of proof is not on me to prove there were no terrorists in the hospital. You are asking me to prove the impossible.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding is the hospital was clearly marked with the red cross and the GPS coordinates were given to the proper authorities.
edit on 30-11-2015 by jrod because: blowing smoke is all you are doing here!
No the hospital wasn't marked had it been they wouldn't have mistaken it for the NDS building. That building was over run by Taliban fighters. It is 500 meters north east of the hospital. The mistake occurred because the crew of the c 130 thought they identified the correct building obviously they didn't. They went off a description given by afgan troops and were not even aware there was a hospital in the area since they were called in from another area and had not received any briefings. I'm sure the guys aboard that c130 were shocked when they found out. But apparently you know differently your accusing them of knowing hitting a hospital which they know is an unlawful order. I'm sure you can tell me why they would do that and present something since you seem to think it's a war crime and a deliberate act on them to kill the doctors.
How do you explain this then?
The bombing took place despite the fact that MSF had provided the GPS coordinates of the trauma hospital to Coalition and Afghan military and civilian officials as recently as Tuesday, September 29, to avoid that the hospital be hit. As is routine practice for MSF in conflict areas, MSF had communicated the exact location of the hospital to all parties to the conflict.
Excerpt taken from their statement on their own website, after the attack.
MSF Demands Explanations After Deadly Airstrikes Hit Hospital in Kunduz
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: dragonridr
Striking a known hospital is WAR CRIME!
Dont prentend they didn't know it was a hospital.
It freaking amazes me that some will defend this kind of murder, more than amazement, I am truly disturbed that one will go thru a mental gymnastics routine in order to justify BOMBING A HOSPITAL!
originally posted by: crazyewok
originally posted by: Tyrion79
a reply to: crazyewok
American chauvinism has no boundaries, it sickens me to the bone at times.
Time to deflate the bubble of false ego's being displayed here and elsewhere.
Least we know the truth right
If they say that enemies were seen or reported, you'll need to disprove this.
The document, part of an ongoing review of events undertaken by MSF, is based upon sixty debriefings of MSF national and international employees who worked at the 140-bed trauma center, internal and public information, before and after photographs of the hospital, email correspondence, and telephone call records.
originally posted by: jrod
Never did I mention the pilots being at fault. kinda tough to see a target when one is in a fast moving aircraft, however someone with some brass ordered the strike despite the plethora of intel that the target was a hospital. That is a war crime!
The attacks took place despite the fact that MSF had provided the GPS coordinates of the trauma hospital to the US Department of Defense, Afghan Ministry of Interior and Defense, and US Army in Kabul as recently as Tuesday, September 29. The attack continued for more than 30 minutes after we first informed Resolute Support and US military officials in Kabul and Washington that it was a hospital being hit.
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: stevieray
You are describing yourself...ZERO credibility. What you have proven is you are a bigot who blindly defends war crimes, police brutality, and floods controversial threads with your version of facts.
Regardless of my credibility, I relayed pertinent information regarding the DWB attack.
Never did I mention the pilots being at fault. kinda tough to see a target when one is in a fast moving aircraft, however someone with some brass ordered the strike despite the plethora of intel that the target was a hospital. That is a war crime!
originally posted by: jrod
a reply to: stevieray
You are describing yourself...ZERO credibility. What you have proven is you are a bigot who blindly defends war crimes, police brutality, and floods controversial threads with your version of facts.
Regardless of my credibility, I relayed pertinent information regarding the DWB attack.
Never did I mention the pilots being at fault. kinda tough to see a target when one is in a fast moving aircraft, however someone with some brass ordered the strike despite the plethora of intel that the target was a hospital. That is a war crime!