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NLBS: 03.06: The Continued Erosion of Fourth Amendment Rights in The USA

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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

I am not the one ruining your or anyone elses life


You don't enforce victimless crime laws?

I wonder if Obama would be president now if he was ever caught smoking that plant he owned up to smoking in his younger days.......

Don't tell me you guys don't ruin lives. Own up to it. It's your profession after all.




posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 07:51 AM
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a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

and?

A warrant is still required.. So again whats your specific issue?



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 07:53 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

and?

A warrant is still required.. So again whats your specific issue?


I'm not going to argue with someone who thinks they know more than the Cato Institute.
edit on 26-11-2015 by IslandOfMisfitToys because: (no reason given)



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

This thread deals with the 4th amendment. Start another thread if you want to bitch about victim less crimes. For the record no, I dont enforce victim less crimes. As a matter of fact the only time I can get involved is when there is a victim but since you dont know me and are just lashing out based on ignorance I can see your confusion.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 07:57 AM
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originally posted by: IslandOfMisfitToys

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

and?

A warrant is still required.. So again whats your specific issue?


I'm not going to argue with someone who thinks they know more than the Cato Institute.


Then why should I engage with you being I know more about this than you? Let me know if you just want to bitch, incorrectly, and not be challenged.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

This thread deals with the 4th amendment. Start another thread if you want to bitch about victim less crimes. For the record no, I dont enforce victim less crimes. As a matter of fact the only time I can get involved is when there is a victim but since you dont know me and are just lashing out based on ignorance I can see your confusion.


Victimless crimes and 4th amendment violations go hand-n-hand.


Like I said. I'm not arguing with someone who is on the other side. Obviously you don't or can't see the obvious 4th erosion due to your bias as an LEO.
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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:02 AM
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a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

and yet you are unable to identify your specific issues.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:07 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

I have already. You just have blinders on because you as an LEO are above these rights violations (and pretty much all other laws except for killing black teenage thugs).



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:11 AM
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a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

So now you are going to continue to personally attack me for asking you to be specific instead of parroting broad claims?

If you cant act like an adult dont bother responding.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:18 AM
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a reply to: Xcathdra

That's always your stance. I have already pointed to what is happening with the 4th. I'm on a smart phone and will not spoon feed you any longer. Use a Google search for "Patriot Act vs the 4th". Millions of sites for you to peruse on your busy day.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:55 AM
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a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

Yes you keep repeating patriot act but cant specify your issue with it or its violations of the 4th. Do you have your own position or are you just repeating other peoples misconceptions?
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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 08:58 AM
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Fourth Amendment:



The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


It's good to see so many are supportive of the Fourth Amendment, at least as far as searching someone's home goes.

I wonder if you all feel the same about someone's PERSON... If I'm pregnant, does the government have permission to enter my medical records (without warrant) and determine that they have permission to tell me what to do with my PERSON?

I have a feeling a lot of you would say that the government should be able to violate the fourth, in order to control what I do with my body.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 09:13 AM
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What countries will accept Americans as war on drug refugees?
If police target you in the US you're either going to prison or 6 feet under.
Training police to play Army is among the most egregious violations of Constitutional law possible.
I'm deeply saddened wondering if we can ever fix this nation and restore liberty to it's rightful place.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 09:13 AM
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a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

No the government does not have that right to tell you what to do with your body. Since medical files and there release are governed by federal law (HIPPA) and the 4th applies to criminal investigations were is the line drawn?

Just like a cell phone.. You contract with a company for use of the phone on their network. Should the company be allowed to share their info on you to the government?
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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 09:58 AM
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originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

No the government does not have that right to tell you what to do with your body.



So the government can't tell me I can't smoke a joint? Drink alcohol at a certain age? Do any other recreational drug?

Let's make it even simpler. How about fashion laws? A woman can't walk around in a bra if they want. Now baggy pants showing your but in some areas.

But....the government can't tell us what to do with our bodies........that's the biggest load of # I've heard all day.

But I wouldn't expect you to understand it at all since you are PART OF the oppressing force.


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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 10:04 AM
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a reply to: IslandOfMisfitToys

If you'd stop making accusations and personal attacks against a fellow ATS member maybe you could both make an effort to understand each other.

I'm just saying.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 10:11 AM
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a reply to: projectvxn

So be it.

XCath: I apologize.

But I will not sit here and be lied to by one of the people this very issue is about.



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 10:36 AM
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It's happening so act accordingly......
this is what we should expect for the end of the age. Now , now...I know, did you guys think the world would go on forever ...or can you use the vision God gave ya's to see the all out ...multi front of stepping on toes coming to visit.

yep ...just coming to visit, the Scripture tells you what to do....and I have been sent to tell you..." hang on to whatever you have, till I come back for you. " Amazing read there if you can, if not , I will post what the Holy Spirit says....

This first.....we will be made to submit.....by sorcery....LEO's are people too, work with them....Obama is supposed to send the world into chaos......Putin has a hook in his jaws and will get clobbered ( although he is likable right now )....I swear I connect with the short sawed off Roosky.....and Israel will get trampled, but will be the capital of the new era after we see ....well you know, read all about it......in the basic instructions before leaving earth. No....hey you...don't think like that...just go read it....


if I may....I'm out collecting stars....load me up....will ya's...thank you, thank you....
edit on 26-11-2015 by GBP/JPY because: our new King.....He comes right after a nicely done fake one



posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 01:20 PM
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US = 1100 murdered by police in 2014.
Canada = 14 murdered by police in 2014.
UK = 1 murdered by police in 2014.
China = 12 murdered by police in 2014.
Germany = 0 murdered by police in 2014
Iceland = 1 person ever

US has 5 % of worlds population and 1/4 of all people imprisoned in the entire planet have a jail cell in the US.


There is something seriously wrong here folks.
I shoot someone because they ran away from me or refused to put a knife down( from beyond arms length for the nit pickers ) or pull out a deadly cell phone then I am going to get the death penalty or life.

Nah. Just joking caus I got a get out of jail free card called a police badge.

Murder is taking a life. End of story. Non is justified unless the person has ALLREADY ATTEMPTED or is in the act of ponting a gun / slashing a knife.

Non of this my life maybe threatened to justify murder.

If you dont like it then get out of the police force.


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posted on Nov, 26 2015 @ 01:21 PM
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a reply to: jimmybob

Not everyone that get killed by police is a victim of murder.




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