Putin's Big Gamble. Will it pay off?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Putin now has legitimate reasons to bolster the military forces in Syria

Thank you for admitting he did not have a legitimate reason before. The more Putin commits to bombing in Syria, the more damaged the infrastructure will be. The whole point of this campaign is neither to defeat the terrorists nor secure Assad in power: it is to destroy as much of Syria as possible so that Russian contractors can make money rebuilding it. That is essentially what the US did in Iraq, remember?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Yeah russia attacking a convoy is an escalation. At least they didnt violate turkeys airspace to do it.

a reply to: DJW001

Thank you for admitting he did not have a legitimate reason before.

Well him needing the S300/S400 and a bunch of combat planes were not needed for ISIS and the rebel groups seeing they dont have planes .....now for protection of the bombers subject to Turkey incursions he has a legitimate reason ...check .....

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: DJW001

Thank you for admitting he did not have a legitimate reason before.

Well him needing the S300/S400 and a bunch of combat planes were not needed for ISIS and the rebel groups seeing they dont have planes .....now for protection of the bombers subject to Turkey incursions he has a legitimate reason ...check .....

It's almost as though he knew there would be an incident like this.

a reply to: DJW001

I don't think he knew but might have imagined and discussed with his advisers the what if's ....One thing is for sure is that his moves are not hurting the worlds opinion of Russia or Mr. Putin . In fact you must have noticed the reception he got at the G-20 meeting and how lots of politicians have given up on the Putin bashing . Renewing the sanctions against Russia will not be a easy sell this time around ,and Frances entrance into the war on ISIS via Russia, Syria , Iran ,and Hesbola must be causing the grinding of teeth in Tel Aviv . S400's and cruise missiles with orders to protect will force every one considering operating in that area to first call Putin .......check

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Putin knew very well that his provocations might result in his air bases being attacked by Turkey. (This is one reason we know the incursions are intentional.) Any student of history can see what is about to happen. All the traditional players in The Great Game are at the table now, with France sitting in Britain's chair. They will be cutting deals and getting the green ink pen ready.

a reply to: DJW001

Cameron is selling up a storm and a vote is expected next week .It would be so unbecoming of the Brits to play US Calvary to the rescue and they may not get the go-ahead vote they need .There is lots of room for them to operate with the US to the east in Iraq so it might come down to what are going to be the specific operations . It's not like Russia needs any help with the bombing campaign so maybe some British boots on the ground in Iraq . You know they do have experience there and Iraq could use some help on the eastern side of ISIS ......check

a reply to: DJW001

And the US has F-15C's (air to air only) escorting bombers and drones over IS bombing missions.

a reply to: DJW001

And the US has F-15C's (air to air only) escorting bombers and drones over IS bombing missions.

I mean, what could possibly go wrong?

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: the2ofusr1

Putin now has legitimate reasons to bolster the military forces in Syria

Thank you for admitting he did not have a legitimate reason before. The more Putin commits to bombing in Syria, the more damaged the infrastructure will be. The whole point of this campaign is neither to defeat the terrorists nor secure Assad in power: it is to destroy as much of Syria as possible so that Russian contractors can make money rebuilding it. That is essentially what the US did in Iraq, remember?

Except Iraq has money from oil to pay for it.

Comrade KGB is still a noob at predatory capitalist conflict. He's playing checkers, international capitalism plays chess---while the Chinese win at go.

Take a look---he self-imposed sanctions and bans on European cheese imports. What's up with that? Like nobody else other than Russians will buy the world's best dairy food? He could at least have imposed tariffs (which can be circumvented by Friends of Vladimir) to make some cash, and raise prices on gas exports.

He self-sanctioned his own export industry by threatening to not sell Russian rocket engines. Again, what's the upside? They need the money more than we need the engines. Telegraphing years ahead what you might do to self-sanction your own industry just makes SpaceX and Rocketdyne accelerate their competing projects.

originally posted by: DuckforcoveR
It could also play out like:

Turkey: That's it, we just got attacked! We must all declare war on Russia!

Rest of NATO: Um, yeah no. Thanks for being a part of our club, all of the dirt that NSA has on you will be released tomorrow and you are kicked out effective immediately.

Probably not that easy, but I could totally see a manufactured scandal ending the NATO / Turkish relationship if NATO truly faced an existential threat.

a reply to: LordOfArcadia


That would be exactly what ISIS wants , if that's going to happen then it might be prudent to ask who would gain the most and is Turkey ultimately the brains behind ISIS?

originally posted by: LordOfArcadia

Russia has been violating Nato airspace for months now in the Balkans, but US warplanes have only intercepted and not engaged. But now, Russia has violated the airspace of a country that doesn't need air protection from the US, but one that can defend itself. Turkey. And not just any part of Turkey, but the Hatay Province. A historically Arab area that Turkey only got in 1940 and spent considerable time and effort to make Turkish. Let's also not forget, the Turks take the idea of sovereign borders VERY seriously since the Ottoman Empire was torn apart.


The end of Nato.

Nato may not violate airspace, but they creating fake wars to destroy a country and hire puppetiers to fulfill their wishes.

As for turkey, stop it right there... Turks are the number 1 country in the planet who violates other countries airspace.

If every country shot down aircrafts, turkey today wouldnt have even a drone toy to fly.

Here is the last 3 days, today is not included but we have news for Kos Island, violations by turks in my country... link

7 violations since yesterday and from 25th of November.

a reply to: Ploutonas

and Russia violated turkish airspace. Trying to hide that face by bringing up Greece, who violates turkish airspace, doesnt negate the violation by russia.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Then I hope a better government will take control over my country soon and we shot down every turkish that pops out in our borders... You wont be able to bring up a different opinion is it? I will save this topic for feature use.

I am sure you will figure out something till then. Turks is the last country in this rock that can complain violations. Soon we move into ellections again... lets hope.

a reply to: Ploutonas

I cant stand Edrogen at all. With that said my dislike of him has nothing to do with russia violating Turkeys airspace and Turkey defending it. Just like my dislike of Assad had anything to do with them downing a Turkish airplane violating Syrian airspace and Syria defending it.