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Freemasons – A Disgrace to Humanity

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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:12 AM
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a reply to: MrCrow
Oh I know. I clocked that early on.

But it's a slow day and I have some extra troll-feed




posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:14 AM
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a reply to: network dude

Yes as I understand it ... Adam Weishaupt was first a Mason before founding the Bavarian Illuminati

It is ironic that so many today look at Church and State as the enemy when so too did the Bavarian Illuminati
... Were they visionary in seeing a future world free of the shackles of state and church ...



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:19 AM
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a reply to: KSigMason

Thank you for your link ... appreciated



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:25 AM
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The only thing that is a disgrace is that more Masons haven't been involved with their communities.


This is actually really bad



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:54 AM
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I have only recently become interested in Freemasons. I knew all the commonly known things but I wanted to know more.
I am a complete noob about this but what I found brings up more questions than answers.

For one, there is no actually decent information about how to recognise another FM. Those handshakes are merely the bit that is allowed to be seen by everyone but it isn't the only way to discern if the other is a FM or not.
Apparently there are a lot of other subtle 'signs' they use, that we commoners are not aware of and no, you can't find anything online.

The ceremony includes oaths that make you agree to be killed [throat cutting motion] if one leaks secrets. Make of that what you want. I just want to know if this is just a 'relic' left over from the 'olden days' or if it is actually a thread. So what happens to Masons that would spill the beans [serious question]?
I can't see them calling the police and say: "Arrest this man, officer, he told our secret!"

Next I'd like to point out that joining isn't as easy as has been said on here. I highly doubt that anyone over 21 and with a clean record can just become a FM.
It seems that only 'uselful' [read: rich or influential] people are in there. I doubt they have Street Sweeper members, otherwise there would be no point to the whole thing. The whole point is that the rich and influential can help each other out.

I guess its like Street Gangs for the rich, with all the handshakes and signs and brotherhood etc.

I also believe that there are not just the ranks you go up, but two completely separate stratas of FM. One is the public: "Hey ask us anything, we have no secrets", "we are merely a club for the privileged, don't believe all the nonsense" which is probably filled with mediocre rich people to make them feel part of something but is literally nothing you couldn't discuss with anyone. They meet, they have drinks together and discuss business.

The 'proper' strata is where the real FM are. Presidents, Queens and other high level influential people would be. They know stuff that us peasants suspect, but can't prove. This is only my own opinion but at this level, world wide decisions are made and secrets are known that the 'low level, public Masons' will never know.

All this 'going up the ranks' is therefore just a sham. I believe that some WILL go up and others will just be processed AS IF they are going up.

If I was rich, I'd be blooming tempted to join. Sounds fab to have rich friends to help you out and get you good positions in jobs and make sure you are never in real trouble. As I said, the poor version are Street Gangs or the Mafia. Only that they have less 'secrets' and shoot each other more openly.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:56 AM
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originally posted by: artistpoet
a reply to: network dude

Yes as I understand it ... Adam Weishaupt was first a Mason before founding the Bavarian Illuminati

It is ironic that so many today look at Church and State as the enemy when so too did the Bavarian Illuminati
... Were they visionary in seeing a future world free of the shackles of state and church ...



Yep, and the key was, they weren't anti-religion, they were anti-religious control. They found common ground with some tenets of masonry. Yep, making the people the controlling factor was a lofty goal. Unobtainable, as it were.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 06:57 AM
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a reply to: network dude

So where is the problem?



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:04 AM
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originally posted by: Hecate666
I have only recently become interested in Freemasons. I knew all the commonly known things but I wanted to know more.
I am a complete noob about this but what I found brings up more questions than answers.

For one, there is no actually decent information about how to recognise another FM. Those handshakes are merely the bit that is allowed to be seen by everyone but it isn't the only way to discern if the other is a FM or not.
Apparently there are a lot of other subtle 'signs' they use, that we commoners are not aware of and no, you can't find anything online.

www.masonicinfo.com...


The ceremony includes oaths that make you agree to be killed [throat cutting motion] if one leaks secrets. Make of that what you want. I just want to know if this is just a 'relic' left over from the 'olden days' or if it is actually a thread. So what happens to Masons that would spill the beans [serious question]?
I can't see them calling the police and say: "Arrest this man, officer, he told our secret!"

If you go through the degree, you are told how the penalties are "Symbolic". Nobody is going to kill you, but you are supposed to equate the personal feeling of bad things if you tell things you promised not to. If this wasn't true, there would be all sorts of gruesome murders that were very recognizable by anyone with google abilities. There are not.


Next I'd like to point out that joining isn't as easy as has been said on here. I highly doubt that anyone over 21 and with a clean record can just become a FM.
It seems that only 'uselful' [read: rich or influential] people are in there. I doubt they have Street Sweeper members, otherwise there would be no point to the whole thing. The whole point is that the rich and influential can help each other out.

Actually it is. As long as you are a man, not a criminal, no felonies, and believe in a higher power, you just need to come to a lodge and ask. It really is that simple.


I guess its like Street Gangs for the rich, with all the handshakes and signs and brotherhood etc.

I also believe that there are not just the ranks you go up, but two completely separate stratas of FM. One is the public: "Hey ask us anything, we have no secrets", "we are merely a club for the privileged, don't believe all the nonsense" which is probably filled with mediocre rich people to make them feel part of something but is literally nothing you couldn't discuss with anyone. They meet, they have drinks together and discuss business.

The 'proper' strata is where the real FM are. Presidents, Queens and other high level influential people would be. They know stuff that us peasants suspect, but can't prove. This is only my own opinion but at this level, world wide decisions are made and secrets are known that the 'low level, public Masons' will never know.

All this 'going up the ranks' is therefore just a sham. I believe that some WILL go up and others will just be processed AS IF they are going up.

Just as you are free to believe the world is flat, and Niburu is on it's way any day, you can believe that. But from the inside, it sure doesn't look like that at all.


If I was rich, I'd be blooming tempted to join. Sounds fab to have rich friends to help you out and get you good positions in jobs and make sure you are never in real trouble. As I said, the poor version are Street Gangs or the Mafia. Only that they have less 'secrets' and shoot each other more openly.





Why not join now. Dues in my area are $100 a year. I am not sure you need to qualify as "rich" to afford that.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:14 AM
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Yep, and the key was, they weren't anti-religion, they were anti-religious control.


Thanks for clarifying that important distinction re religous control vs freedom of choice as some see such a premise as a threat rather than a liberty.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:25 AM
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originally posted by: Hecate666
I have only recently become interested in Freemasons. I knew all the commonly known things but I wanted to know more.
I am a complete noob about this but what I found brings up more questions than answers.

For one, there is no actually decent information about how to recognise another FM. Those handshakes are merely the bit that is allowed to be seen by everyone but it isn't the only way to discern if the other is a FM or not.
Apparently there are a lot of other subtle 'signs' they use, that we commoners are not aware of and no, you can't find anything online.

The only thing done, that I know of and have done, is drop in one-liners from our ritual books from time to time in innocuous instances to gauge reactions.

A chap at work, who, for years, talked about it and hinted he knew a lot about it, turned out to be a fellow Mason from another area and we had regular enjoyment baiting each other in meetings until we knew the truth


As for the handshakes -- I have never known anyone to actually employ them in real life as, they are SO easy to find out online. Yes, so is the ritual book, but, if you are a mason of any worth, then you will have a great deal of the book memorised, unlike the casual peruser or conspiracy nutjobs who haven't the inclination to waste their time. So using a few common, but specific lines here and they helps



The ceremony includes oaths that make you agree to be killed [throat cutting motion] if one leaks secrets. Make of that what you want. I just want to know if this is just a 'relic' left over from the 'olden days' or if it is actually a thread. So what happens to Masons that would spill the beans [serious question]?
I can't see them calling the police and say: "Arrest this man, officer, he told our secret!"

As network dude pointed out, it's symbolic. I asked this same question numerous times in lodge and as far as anyone knows, it's never been done, and nor would it.

"Cross my heart and hope to die" -- that's all it is, just with a bit more of an elaborate edge to it



The whole point is that the rich and influential can help each other out.

Actually that is entirely NOT the point and goes against the core principles of Freemasonry. In my lodge, there are few people of any genuine riches -- I only perceive some of them like that because they are retired and have paid off their mortgages! But myself and others of my age (40s) are NOT rich. Sadly...


I guess its like Street Gangs for the rich, with all the handshakes and signs and brotherhood etc.

Again, I think you're confusing Hollywood with real life on this -- it's not like that.


I also believe that there are not just the ranks you go up, but two completely separate stratas of FM. One is the public: "Hey ask us anything, we have no secrets", "we are merely a club for the privileged, don't believe all the nonsense" which is probably filled with mediocre rich people to make them feel part of something but is literally nothing you couldn't discuss with anyone. They meet, they have drinks together and discuss business.

The 'proper' strata is where the real FM are. Presidents, Queens and other high level influential people would be. They know stuff that us peasants suspect, but can't prove. This is only my own opinion but at this level, world wide decisions are made and secrets are known that the 'low level, public Masons' will never know.

For a start there are no Queens in Masonry - well, not in the regal sense
But there is no "more important" Masons when you're in the lodge, apart from the established lodge heirarchy (WMaster, etc).

If I were in a lodge with Obama or whoever; high court judge, police superintendant -- everyone respects everyone and you don't treat them any different than you would want to be treated yourself.


If I was rich, I'd be blooming tempted to join. Sounds fab to have rich friends to help you out and get you good positions in jobs and make sure you are never in real trouble.

If that's what you really think then honestly, it isn't for you. That doesn't happen and that's not what it's about.

If you have a sincere wish to help your community, your fellow man through charity and selfless deeds -- by all means, approach your local lodge and ask to join.

Otherwise, stick to Hollywood - it's FAR more fantastical



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:27 AM
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This thread should anger the local Armchair wannabe Masons. ATS is full of pretend Masons and cops, they're so obvious it's funny.

I agree though , the real Masons, they are scum. Their "good deeds" are smoke and mirrors.

A local Lodge is rumored to be connected to some nasty stuff I rather not type and the rumors come from numerous, reliable sources.

Still no one does anything because the chief of police and the mayor and owner of the newest casino are all involved.

And their symbolism...

It's everywhere.

Secret societies such as Masonry are an elitist cult and should always be held under intense scrutiny.

They are easy to keep in line though, the blackmail their handlers have on them usually keeps them in line.

Sick #s
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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:43 AM
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You guys may as well come clean.

How many centuries are you going to guard that chili recipe? Its been almost 200 years now.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:48 AM
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Just a boys club wanting to escape their other halfs while doing a bit of good in the community.


You consider diddling little kids a good deed?

Have you forgotten Hollie Greig?


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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:55 AM
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originally posted by: real_one
a reply to: boymonkey74



Just a boys club wanting to escape their other halfs while doing a bit of good in the community.


You consider diddling little kids a good deed?

Have you forgotten Hollie Greig?

Erm. Isn't there some question as to the validity of that story? Like it may not have ever happened? Just sayin' it seems like I've read more than once, there are gaping holes in it.
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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 07:59 AM
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Monkey boy wins this thread!

We should probably burn him. Or make him an honorary brother and then burn 'em.

Burn the monkey!



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 08:00 AM
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Our obligations are about keeping our word and the real penalty to a Mason violating our oaths is being expelled or suspended.


I highly doubt that anyone over 21 and with a clean record can just become a FM.

Why? I did.


I doubt they have Street Sweeper members, otherwise there would be no point to the whole thing.

Why not? One of the Wardens of my Lodge worked at a gas station when he petitioned. Now he works as a mechanic.


The whole point is that the rich and influential can help each other out.

That's not the point of Freemasonry.


I also believe that there are not just the ranks you go up, but two completely separate stratas of FM.

Not really.


The 'proper' strata is where the real FM are. Presidents, Queens and other high level influential people would be.

Well, a queen couldn't be a member of Freemasonry as it is a male-only organization...a fraternity. Leaders and politicians are not given special treatment or placed in the "real" hierarchy of Freemasonry. Our leaders are elected according to that bodies constitution and by-laws.


This is only my own opinion but at this level, world wide decisions are made and secrets are known that the 'low level, public Masons' will never know.

What constitutes "low level" versus "high level"?


All this 'going up the ranks' is therefore just a sham.

Aside from your opinion, what is the basis of this statement?



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 08:03 AM
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My interpretation was not that the story had gaping holes, but was swept under the rug and made dissappear by some very influential people.



posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 08:10 AM
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No anger, more of a slight annoyance, but also slightly humorous.

Wannabe Masons? Nope. There are plenty of actual Masons here on ATS, and none of us are scum.


Their "good deeds" are smoke and mirrors.

No, our charities have tangible results and have helped millions of people.


A local Lodge is rumored to be connected to some nasty stuff I rather not type and the rumors come from numerous, reliable sources.

I'm sure.


And their symbolism...

It's everywhere.

When you're a hammer, all you see are nails.

Freemasonry isn't a cult, but you can scrutinize all you want.

You talk of blackmail and call us names? LOL


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posted on Nov, 25 2015 @ 08:11 AM
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Outside of accusations, what proof do you have that Freemasonry as an institution is involved with pedophilia? The fact is you don't.

a reply to: real_one
I've never sexually abused or assaulted a child. Freemasonry is not about pedophilia, no matter how much mud you try to fling at us.

a reply to: Klassified
You can't use logic and reason with people like them.



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