Donald trump. Was he wrong about dancing muslims in new jersey?

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: mahatche

LesMisanthrope If trump came out and said "we should ban Sony from doing business in America because the Japanese are Yakuza" would you be making this argument?

There is no difference in that and "the Mohawks can't have a casino because they are criminals"

It's especially stupid when you consider the history of mafia involvement in the casino industry. It's not like it's a pure noble business before the mohawks came along with their guilt by association. It's really hard to justify those ads with out accepting prejudice.

The ad didn't say they were criminals.

The St. Regis Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented. This proposed Monticello Indian Casino will bring increased crime and violence to Sullivan County.

He didn't say the Mohawks were criminals, he didn't say natives were criminals, he said The St. Regis Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented.

ok so you are going to have to explain to me, why the list of crimes committed by individuals was being used in an argument to prevent the St. Regis Mohawks from attaining a gambling license.... while asking if you want them as your new neighbors.

Why would someone in your tribe selling drugs, prevent you from opening a business? Do we do this with any other demographic? "You can't have a business here, because someone like you committed a crime" where is that acceptable?

a reply to: neo96

Primarily the racism.

a reply to: mahatche

ok so you are going to have to explain to me, why the list of crimes committed by individuals was being used in an argument to prevent the St. Regis Mohawks from attaining a gambling license.... while asking if you want them as your new neighbors.

Why would someone in your tribe selling drugs, prevent you from opening a business? Do we do this with any other demographic? "You can't have a business here, because someone like you committed a crime" where is that acceptable?

Tribal casinos are ran by the tribe as a whole.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope


The ad didn't say they were criminals.

The St. Regis Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented. This proposed Monticello Indian Casino will bring increased crime and violence to Sullivan County.

He didn't say the Mohawks were criminals, he didn't say natives were criminals, he said The St. Regis Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented.

The St. Regis Mohawk Indian record of criminal activity is well documented. This proposed Monticello Indian Casino will bring increased crime and violence to Sullivan County.

Wow.... are you serious??
If that is not saying, implying and blatantly tarring all of that tribe as criminals then you really are Trump like in your denial and dishonestly.

The record of criminal activity of the tribe and the increased crime that they will bring with the casino... is somehow a coincidence, is that seriously what you're saying?

Do you even read your own posts?

So here's an article from Oct. 1, 2001 telling of Muslims celebrating in New Jersey. Now it doesn't report numbers, or they were dancing, so that can't be verified, but it is said it celebration did happen. But maybe it's a Jewish conspiracy that foresaw Trump saying these things fourteen years later. Point is, this disputes those in this thread that say it absolutely did not happen.

"How strange that even Arabs in New Jersey, who are actually living in the flesh-pots of America, and could have suffered physical harm from the terrorist attack, rejoiced at the sight of the horrible massacre".

www.jewishisrael.org...

a reply to: UnBreakable

Trump claimed "thousands and thousands of people" celebrating. Does your like prove that? No? Then, Donald lied.

originally posted by: Benevolent Heretic
a reply to: UnBreakable

Trump claimed "thousands and thousands of people" celebrating. Does your like prove that? No? Then, Donald lied.

I see you are having trouble comprehending my post. I said the link disputes the people on here that said there were no celebrations at all in NJ, I'm by no means saying Trump was correct in the numbers he is claiming. Trump is lying about the amount of people in the same way members are saying there was no Muslims at all rejoicing in NJ.

a reply to: blupblup

Wow.... are you serious??
If that is not saying, implying and blatantly tarring all of that tribe as criminals then you really are Trump like in your denial and dishonestly.

The record of criminal activity of the tribe and the increased crime that they will bring with the casino... is somehow a coincidence, is that seriously what you're saying?

Do you even read your own posts?

Do you even think? It's you who is in denial and you who are dishonest.

Who owns the casino? It's "all the tribe" that owns the casino. It's not just a few individuals of the tribe who own it. If the crime rate of the whole tribe in general is high, then necessarily the crime rate of the people owning the casino, namely the tribe in general, is high. Yes, I know you do not want to hear it, for it goes against your vision, but if the statistics are correct, owners of that particular casino engage in criminal activity. You're going to attempt to tell someone that they must accept criminally owned businesses because their skin and culture is different?

I'm not going to buckle under your absurd logic, racism and and insults. If you cannot prove the opposite, you have nothing to go on but your absurd feelings, which in no way reflect reality, but only your own ridiculous biases.

originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: mahatche

ok so you are going to have to explain to me, why the list of crimes committed by individuals was being used in an argument to prevent the St. Regis Mohawks from attaining a gambling license.... while asking if you want them as your new neighbors.

Why would someone in your tribe selling drugs, prevent you from opening a business? Do we do this with any other demographic? "You can't have a business here, because someone like you committed a crime" where is that acceptable?

Tribal casinos are ran by the tribe as a whole.

Not always.... The tribe owns the casino but they are managed by outside corporations.

www.reviewjournal.com...

In fact Trump was fired by a tribe that was pissed at the way he ran their casino.


nativenewsonline.net...

Trump Card: New Report Points To DC Media Cover-Up of 9/11 NJ Muslim Celebration

On top of legions of eyewitnesses and a contemporaneous report in no less than the Washington Post, another newspaper report has surfaced:

In the New York Post in September of 2011, Fred Siegel wrote,
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Here in New York, it was easy to get angry listening to Egyptians, Palestinians and the Arabs of nearby Paterson, N.J., celebrate as they received word of the murderous attack in New York and Washington. But Mayor Giuliani (who has been tireless and magnificent in this crisis) rightly warned New Yorker-ers that is would be wrong to take their anger our on the city’s Arab and Muslim residents. Attacks on Arab-Americans in Paterson or elsewhere are utterly indefensible.

There was no retraction of the report in the Washington Post, and so far there does not appear to be any New York Post retraction of Siegel’s declarative statement of Muslim celebrations in New Jersey.

UPDATE: In an interview on CNN, Giuliani conformed there were pockets of celebrations on 9/11. “New Day” co-anchor Chris Cuomo just admitted, “Were people celebrating on 9/11? Yes.”

I believe Trump having been an insider for a life time knows things that would make our collective heads spin.

a reply to: Stormdancer777

I haven't noticed if anyone here is claiming that there were NO people celebrating. If they are claiming that, they're wrong.

That's not what I'm saying. I remember at least one pocket of celebrants myself (maybe 5-8 people). The ONLY thing I'm disputing is the "thousands and thousands" that Donald claimed HE WATCHED on TV.

"And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

Pants on Fire

Trump's training to be a politician, he's working on his exaggerating, talking out of his ass, saying stupid things and lying. At least now Hillary and Obama and any other repub or dem don't have to worry about him having any higher ground on them.

Heres a video for all the Trump hating blind people out there!!!!



NYC Police Commissioner

a reply to: starlitestarbrite

LOL! Trump has CLEARLY changed his story details to meet the FACTS of the situation. There's were "pockets" or a "handful" of people, not "thousands and thousands"...

Christie is a huge liar, too.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Either way he was right it did happen even though it might not have been in the thousands. I know what we saw that day and now the news channels are speaking out about it we live in the area we know the truth of what happened.


Trump Vindicated

It's a pretty big deal to say there were thousands of people celebrating when the truth is there were a couple of people here and a couple of people there.

I'm not sure why this guy can't just say the truth? And what's the issue? There will always be people that hate American that live here, but they will always be in the minority and all of these few people that celebrated...they are now on watch lists...the FBI knows who they are and are watching them and have been for over a decade.