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originally posted by: starlitestarbrite
a reply to: yuppa
My family and I WATCHED this on the local news, now I am not just talking Fox news
I am talking CBS.. NBC.... They reported and showed video of people dancing and chanting in middle of the streets in the towns of Paterson N.J. and in the near by town of Totawa N.J. along with Passic N.J. WE saw this aired so he's telling the truth as to what was aired on the news. I don't know anything about roof top parties or if it was in the thousands or hundreds. We were so disturbed by this it will always stick in my mind and the hearts of my family.
He's not lying. I don't know if the news fabricated what they were showing, but hey how are we supposed to know what really happened you take it for what you see.
originally posted by: neo96
First off religion has nothing to do with RACE.
And yeah there were 'muslims' celebrating 9-11 just as they were when Paris was attacked.
originally posted by: Lysergic
a reply to: yuppa
I thought it was dancing Israelis?
Blackmarketeer beat me, I didnt read whole thread before knee jerk replying =/
Update: Some readers have tweeted to The Fact Checker a Washington Post article from Sept. 18, 2001, as evidence of Trump’s claim. The article, which appeared on page 6, described FBI probes in northern New Jersey after the attacks, saying in the 15th paragraph that “law enforcement authorities detained and questioned a number of people who were allegedly seen celebrating the attacks and holding tailgate-style parties on rooftops while they watched the devastation on the other side of the river.”
Of course, “a number of people” obviously does not equal “thousands” — and “allegedly” indicates there is no video footage or other proof that celebrations actually took place. Recall that Trump claimed he saw this on television — and that it was “well covered at the time.” This newspaper article appeared days later.
The reporters who wrote the story do not recall whether the allegations were ever confirmed. “I certainly do not remember anyone saying that thousands or even hundreds of people were celebrating,” said Serge Kovaleski, one of the reporters. “That was not the case, as best as I can remember.”
Fredrick Kunkle, the other reporter, added: “I specifically visited the Jersey City building and neighborhood where the celebrations were purported to have happened. But I could never verify that report.”
(The right-leaning Powerline blog made a big deal about this sentence–as did Trump later–but as the reporters’ comments make clear, there is no evidence the alleged celebration ever took place.)
Irfan Khawaja, an assistant professor of philosophy at Felician College in New Jersey, extensively attempted to trace the rumors of celebrations by Muslims in New Jersey and after months of inquiry (in an article with Gary Fine) came up with only the possibility that “a few Arab-American adolescents briefly relieved their political frustration in front of a library in South Paterson, a way that might be defined as celebrating.”
In an interview, Khawaja said that after extensive research, it was possible that maybe six to 12 teenagers had something akin to a celebration on the morning of 9/11 in Paterson, but they quickly dispersed. But even that is doubtful. “The evidence is very, very sparse that anything took place,” he said. “The bottom line is that Donald Trump is lying, if you look at what he said.” (Khawaja elaborated on his findings in a blog post.)
Further Update: We heard from many readers who are convinced they saw this on television but from their description they are referring to reports (linked above) of Palestinians celebrating on the Israeli-occupied West Bank. Here is the video again:
"I think there’s fear of intimidation, harassment being legitimized by the fact that there is a high rate of crime, especially among young black men," Williams said. "No. 1 cause of death, young black men 15 to 34 — murder. Who’s committing the murder? Not police. Other black men."
The numbers came from a 2007 U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics report, which stated that blacks were victims of 7,999 homicides in 2005 and said that 93 percent were killed by people who shared their race. (It wasn’t clear to us where the blogger’s 9,000 figure came from.)
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic
I'm talking about race. He's a racist.
And just what 'makes' him racist prey tell?
I think the fact that Trump's rhetoric sounds Nazish in nature is a pretty big giveaway, but hey I know how you argue so I'm actually curious how you are going to rationalize this tidbit away