Black Lives Matter Protesters Were Just Shot by White Supremacists

a reply to: Gryphon66

Okay, Gryphon. Make the record you want to make. Do what you gotta do. It's all any of us can do really.

And thanks for sparring with me. I like the way you challenge me.

Until next time

originally posted by: Rabb420
a reply to: Gryphon66

i never said white supremacists dont wear masks im saying it was pretty convenient that the shooters were wearing masks but its immediatly assumed they were white even before any were caught, but yes go ahead and twist what i say up, and are you really so blind to think that the BLM movement wouldnt lie if it was a black shooter???

No one assumed they were White. People saw them. These protests have been going on for several days and nights. This isn't the first time that the BLM groups have seen groups of people not participating in the protest (according to reports).

I didn't twist what you said, I asked you questions about what you said.

I don't think I'm "blind" at all? Why do you think the BLM folks would protect a Black person who had shot at them?

You don't think that would peeve them a bit? Are Black people more likely to lie, or just members of BLM?

Getting shot at would certainly peeve me, whatever the race of the shooter.

In this case, the arrested, alledged shooters thus far are a White guy and a Hispanic guy.

That much we do know.

/shrug

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

Did you just argue above that the Minneapolis police had made the two arrests just to "appease" the protesters?

If they did that, they would be acting, not from evidence derived from investigation but from their own will, right?

Did you argue that or not? Need a quote?

They are acting on HEARSAY evidence and to get statements from them. Yes it was to appease the protestors as well as putting the men in custody to prevent mob justice. And civilians who shoot someone are almost always taken into custody temporarily to see if charges need to be filed.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Gryphon66

Okay, Gryphon. Make the record you want to make. Do what you gotta do. It's all any of us can do really.

And thanks for sparring with me. I like the way you challenge me.

Until next time

Cheers to you too.

You don't care to take a swipe at why the shooters fled the scene and went into hiding? If they were only defending themselves? Does that add up for you?

originally posted by: Gryphon66
If the shooters were merely "defending themselves," why didn't they make themselves safe and then just turn themselves in at the police station?

Why go on the run? Why hide? If they were "defending themselves"?

Excellent point. The police department was right there even! At the very least, after they got themselves to a place they deemed safe, why didn't they call the police and report the incident?

(Feel free to ignore me... my son's going to be here for dinner soon, and then I'll be checking out for the night.)

a reply to: Boadicea

Why would I ignore you?

That's the real sticking point for me thus far. Although Network Dude's idea of folks being "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and otherwise unrelated to each other also has a ring of truth.

What sticks in my mind is that the group of shooters were apparently "taking photos of BLM members" which is part of what accelerated the conflict to some degree. That doesn't make sense for unaffiliated "observers" or "folks walking down the street" etc.

Enjoy dinner.

a reply to: yuppa

How do you know what evidence the Minneapolis Police Department has? Please fill us in!

Aside from that ...

As you said earlier, in your mind taking these two individuals into custody/arrest is a police action not based on evidence but on "something else."

This is also one of the general complaints of the BLM.

That's all I was pointing out.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: Boadicea

Why would I ignore you?

Just didn't want to disappear on ya...

That's the real sticking point for me thus far. Although Network Dude's idea of folks being "in the wrong place at the wrong time" and otherwise unrelated to each other also has a ring of truth.

It does speak to mens rhea. As does the fact they were not only carrying, but also wearing bullet proof vests. It's hard to believe they weren't preparing for trouble given the preparations they made.

What stick in my mind is that the group of shooters were apparently "taking photos of BLM members" which is part of what accelerated the conflict to some degree. That doesn't make sense for unaffiliated "observers" or "folks walking down the street" etc.

Hmmm... photos, eh? I don't like that. I doubt the protesters did either, and for good reason.

I still wonder about paid agitators and/or agent provacateurs more then ever.

Enjoy dinner.

Thanks! I made carnitas this afternoon for tacos... after smelling it roasting all afternoon, I'm ready to scarf

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

How do you know what evidence the Minneapolis Police Department has? Please fill us in!

Aside from that ...

As you said earlier, in your mind taking these two individuals into custody/arrest is a police action not based on evidence but on "something else."

This is also one of the general complaints of the BLM.

That's all I was pointing out.

hearsay evidence liek th e woman that was cooking? or like the BLM people there? Stories that are not verifiable are hearsay right? Its a police action based on that. not exactly nothing.

originally posted by: Boadicea

Hmmm... photos, eh? I don't like that. I doubt the protesters did either, and for good reason.

I still wonder about paid agitators and/or agent provacateurs more then ever.

Enjoy dinner.

Thanks! I made carnitas this afternoon for tacos... after smelling it roasting all afternoon, I'm ready to scarf

Mmm. That does sound tasty! If you're ever in Atlanta, check out Tacos Veloz on Buford Highway, LOL. Anthony Bourdain loves it. (Don't let that fact scare you off, LOL.)

Well, the "taking photos" bit was from the erstwhile video of the two supposed BLM protesters posted earlier.

I haven't seen that corroborated anywhere else, but that does sort of "stick out" ...

It's really easy to see shadowy links of all sorts in these matters, which is one reason I try (try) to stay focused on facts.

But I missed the fact that it was apparently around 28 degrees there last night ... could justify the masks, so, I'm not infallible.

I'm sure that won't be news to you, LOL; enjoy your carnitas!

a reply to: yuppa

So, you know what we all know from reading media reports?

You don't have any inside track on what the police actually know? What actual evidence they have?

Three are now in custody.

Two turned themselves in.

No confirmation of their race or etnicity.

No confirmation of being "white supremacists".

No confirmation of wearing bullet proof vests.

Some of the latest from the Was hington Post:

Later in the day (Tuesday), police said they had released the 32-year-old Hispanic man after it was determined he was not at the shooting scene. They also said they had a total of three white men in custody. In addition to the 23-year-old arrested in Bloomington, the Minneapolis police said a a 26-year-old and a 21-year-turned themselves into investigators.

But apparently the protest and the BLM members were shot OUTSIDE THE POLICE STATION???

Late on Monday night, police said they received multiple 911 calls after gunfire that wounded five people a block away from the 4th Precinct. All five people, who had been protesting at the police building, suffered non-life-threatening injuries, officials said.

Curiouser and curiouser.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

So, you know what we all know from reading media reports?

You don't have any inside track on what the police actually know? What actual evidence they have?

SOmetimes you have to think things deeper than they appear to be. What would you rather they do? leave the men out in the street to be gunned down or arrested for questioning?

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: yuppa

So, you know what we all know from reading media reports?

You don't have any inside track on what the police actually know? What actual evidence they have?

SOmetimes you have to think things deeper than they appear to be. What would you rather they do? leave the men out in the street to be gunned down or arrested for questioning?

And sometimes, thinking deeper results in delusion.

Focusing on the facts, rather than a whole scenario built on "what if," has better results in the long run, in my experience.

The comments from the police department are that the men in custody are suspects, although the "Hispanic guy" has been released (apparently his alibi checked out).

Again, musing about possibilities is one thing. Let's muse based on facts, not what our confirmation bias tells us.

Or not. /shrug

originally posted by: SaturnFX

originally posted by: Gothmog
Lets shorten it down even further . Take into account all......LIFE MATTERS

My bucket of kfc disagrees with you.

well, that chicken my have kicked off a genetic regression back to its ancestors , the raptors. So you may well have saved the future of mankind.

originally posted by: yuppa
a reply to: Kali74

Not very peaceful when you CHASE SOMEONE DOWN is it? They got backed into a alley so they decided to shoot and protect themselves.They ar ebeing arested to placate the rioters/protestors. and One of them was not even white. not something supremacist do. they dont hang out with hispanics.

Chase off. Chased down and back into an alley? Hmm.

Police only have one shooting suspect in custody, they released the second guy they arrested after questioning him. The guy they are still holding they say that he's white.

A lot of white supremacists see white Hispanics as white because they're from Spain (so European and pale) or descended from Spaniards. They don't like the indigenous or African lines.

Where is the "chased off" narrative coming from?

Let's be real about what happened, as far as we know.

There was a group of BLM and other protesters outside the police station who have been there for several days.

They witnessed another group of people standing nearby, not invovled with the protests acting in such ways that made some of the protesters anxious. Some protesters "escorted them" away from the main group (which likely means some sort of body blocking or pushing or what have you ... counter "intimidation" as it were, probably a bad idea at best, but then, to be fair, weapons and shooting) at which point the shooters turned their weapons on the group, injuring five people.

Three people are now in custody for the shooting. At least one of those is a White male, mid-early 20s. No evidence of "white supremacists" no evidence of body armor (as Deny Arrogance pointed out).

a reply to: lucifershiningone

Here we have 5 people shot and posters that show no sympathy, instead talk about how they hate BLM. For those of you with such attitudes, you are no better than the shooters.

ATS is littered with some disgusting people.

a reply to: Kali74

Any movement that restricts its inclusiveness and profiles along racist criteria is insignificant and doesn't matter at all.

BLM is nothing more than another Black Power movement reinvented by PC libs with communists as they spunk and whine over their failed Occupy movements. This is their militant version and are using racism to fuel it.

All Lives Matter, simple truthful counter to their failed propaganda.