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SHTF in hometown of Prime Minister.. emergency meeting to be held

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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 08:17 AM
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Finland

Rapes around the country has been said to be isolated cases and do not present migration as general or cultural differences. When rapist comes from different ethinicity than natives, these are those isolated cases. Rapist other than native gets a free card, sometimes the reason is that they are underaged ( age lied and fake papers.. very common ) is a refugee or is 2nd generation immigrant. Sometimes they get sentence of 3 years and they are released in 6 months ( first timers ). Sentences are low if given at all and when we compare the crime to similar crime which is done by the native ( finnish born from finnish parents ) sentences are very different, native sentences are years 6 to 8 when non natives gets out in 6 months.
When refugee rapes, he won´t be sent back where he came from, their immigration status is suspended but eventually most of these also get that status in year or two.

Now What has happened and what is this news about ?

I have talked about Prime Minister of Finland and how he gave his hometown house to refugees to live in.. Prime Minister´s hometown is Kempele in northern Finland.
How idiotic can one be or politically correct?


Anyway it is clear that age said is not always biological age.

So yesterday in Kempele 14 years old girl was attacked by two refugees and one of them raped the girl. It happened in Prime Minister´s hometown which has population of 11 000 people + refugees. 12 days before this they opened a refugee center in that small place.
Two native (finnish origin ) men saw what happened to the girl and called 112 ( 911 in US ) and helped police showing what directions suspects went.

Suspects "apparently" are 15 to 17 years old. Police raided a apartment according the media and in police webpage there were an information that they made a raid in local refugee center too, as it was related to the case.
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Because this SHTF in Prime minister´s home town .. emergency meeting is being held
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Prime Minister Juha Sipilä says he had invited the Interior Minister Peter Orpo and Minister of Justice Jari Lindström in crisis meeting in Kempele rape incident.
Sipilä: the circumstances are serious, be sentenced, vile and cowardly, if the information have been correct. Sipilä: Finland has to consider amendments to the legislation in terms of the crimes committed during the asylum application for asylum influenced the decision.

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Kempele, 14-year-old girl raped,suspects of raping are men aged 15-17 years of age, Detective Chief Inspector Seppo Leinonen says to Uusi Suomi news. In police news, it was found that the two men of foreign origin attacked the girl in Kempele Station Road. The police caught the suspects.
Why suspects being foreign had to be mentioned the release? - Police strives to inform impartially so foreign as the Finns of the crimes committed. Second, and people already knows that suspects were foreign, so it is not worth the secrets either, Leinonen answers.

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Because there were people of finnish origin as witnesses this couldn´t be hidden.. and crisis meeting because it hit too close to home of finnish Prime Minister.

We are living in Absurdistan.



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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 08:28 AM
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You can't condemn all refugees because of a small number of them committing crimes. At the same time, the punishment needs to be swift and you have to stop this before it happens, or before it can develop into something worse. Sadly this thing happens everywhere.

People will remember the Katrina crisis in New Orleans? When the Football stadium was used as a refugee centre, sexual assault cases were widely reported.

Anecdotally, I know a number of people who grew up in East Asian camps and there was the exact same problems. It seemed to work out for them because they had mafia/gangsters who kept people in line, and if anyone was caught in the women's bathrooms they'd hand down vigilante justice.

Maybe this culture doesn't have that?

The point is this problem happens everywhere when you cage people like animals. It needs to be addressed, not ignored, it also needs to be treated as the problem it is, without painting everyone with the brush from a few.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 08:42 AM
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a reply to: boncho

If it is your 14 year old daughter that is raped by these 'refugees' then it is possible you would have a different view. The problem is that a large number of people have been saying that taking in these refugees is going to cause problems and then they are called racist or worse by liberal politicians. Now that many of those concerns are coming true the chickens have come home to roost so to speak and those responsible for allowing these people into their country will be held accountable for their foolishness.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: boncho

Like animals? prime minister gave his own house.. most of refugees live in hotels and in many places which were in use for helping substance and alcohol users and as a rest houses for old people, these have been kicked out and these places are now in use by refugees. Young students in Helsinki has been kicked out of their apartments when they were needed for refugees.. Its a freakin business. Income from refugee housing is more and government pays it .. so its easy money without risk of non paid rents
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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 08:47 AM
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The Death penalty its a good thing.
It should be, You rape in our country you die.
The trauma the victim is put through last a life time.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 09:50 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus


If it is your 14 year old daughter that is raped by these 'refugees' then it is possible you would have a different view


Does ex-sister in law count?




The problem is that a large number of people have been saying that taking in these refugees is going to cause problems and then they are called racist or worse by liberal politicians.


I said the issues need to get addressed quickly and without hesitation. No stopping because you might be afraid to sound racist. These things happen a lot of times with instigators or influence from a couple controlling people in the camps, remove them and you remove the problem.




Now that many of those concerns are coming true the chickens have come home to roost so to speak and those responsible for allowing these people into their country will be held accountable for their foolishness.



Here's the thing, you can label them all for the actions of a few. If a refugee was raped by a Finnish man should they claim that all Fins are rapists? No. But, I concede that the Mid East has a rape culture. People want to cry about the West having a 'rape culture' holy crap, go look at a real one. In places where a woman is stoned, or outcast because she was raped. Where they basically blame the victim totally.

Ignoring this stuff is where multiculturalism will fail. It works in many places. I live in a multicultural city. I can go get authentic West Indies food in the morning, Middle eastern shawarma for lunch, and authentic Thai, Chinese or Malay food for dinner. All made by immigrant families who own a local restaurant serving up a bit of their culture. It's great too. Once you are done eating, you can go check out their grocers nearby, and bring some of that home yourself.

Just one positive side to point out, for multicultural societies. Not all of us are shaking with fear in our closest because of the evil immigrants.

In refugee camps, violence and sexual violence is something that not only needs to be addressed immediately without reservations, but also should be handled proactively as well. This kind of thing needs to be monitored and discussed with the community leaders. And if there isn't a community leader officially, there probably is one unofficially. And if they are the wrong type of person this is where things get bad quickly.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 10:00 AM
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a reply to: dollukka

Do I need to say it? I'm gonna say it!

Blood moon.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 10:28 AM
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these two suspects should be treated as criminals and they should be judged by court

yet they are labeled as refugee rapists crisis and being judged by politicians


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 10:40 AM
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a reply to: Metallicus

In million years was I not expecting such a reply from you ..

Refugees are forced to leave their country because they are at risk of, or have experienced persecution. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage. They leave behind their homes, most or all of their belongings, family members and friends. Some are forced to flee with no warning and many have experienced significant trauma or been tortured or otherwise ill-treated. The journey to safety is fraught with hazard and many refugees risk their lives in search of protection. They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. (RCOA)


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 10:56 AM
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a reply to: dollukka

I'm agreeing on everything you've stated here.

You can't say a one negative word about the refugee crisis in here(Finland) without being labeled a racist. And I really mean nothing. It's PC hell in here.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 11:01 AM
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originally posted by: boncho
a reply to: Metallicus


If it is your 14 year old daughter that is raped by these 'refugees' then it is possible you would have a different view


Does ex-sister in law count?




No, he said daughter.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 11:16 AM
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a reply to: dollukka

This is easy.

Those "refugees" who are in the fools way - deport them on the spot. Why keep and weep?



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 11:21 AM
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originally posted by: UnBreakable

originally posted by: boncho
a reply to: Metallicus


If it is your 14 year old daughter that is raped by these 'refugees' then it is possible you would have a different view


Does ex-sister in law count?




No, he said daughter.


Im not going to address this directly, mainly because its a dumb argument to begin with. At no point should people be rationalizing 'what if it was your kids... and you know why that is? That is where every BS "DO IT FOR THE CHILDREN" argument started. This is why we have laws that violate our rights, this is why politicians get away with what they do.

This is why the Harper government in Canada named Bill C-30: Protecting Children from Internet Predators Act which limited online freedoms. It wasn't passed, it would have given authorities the power to track Canadians in real time, it also had less to do with pedophiles and more to do with giving sweeping powers to the government.


Public Safety Minister Vic Toews told an opposition MP that he could "either stand with us or with the child pornographers" during a debate.


Either you can stand with us, or you can stand with the refugee rapists. /s

This is why they named the amendments to the FISA: Protect America Act and it gave the gov a number of powers. The ability to without warrants monitor people, monitor citizens who are communicating with foreigners, etc. If you think 'oh well we already knew they did that' but you see, at one point this stuff was illegal, and you had whistleblowers, etc, making it legal means there will be no whistle blowers in the future, as there's nothing to blow it on. Something anyone should be concerned about, if you value rights to privacy.

If you cannot win an argument without hypothetically raping my children, your argument sucks. And the intellectual premise of your argument is fear. Good job if you do it, because you've just joined the ranks of Bush & Cheney.

Here are some ideas for artwork, for anyone who wants to go this route.Get creative and photoshop a refugee in there.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 11:26 AM
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considering islam is still a minority in europe but its members commit an unproportional huge amount of criminal acts i won't imagine how life in europe will be once it's an islamic continent.
i'm also tired of the "you can't blame all muslims/refugees" crowd because of the above.

without islam europe would be a safer continent.
that's my opinion.
mixing isn't always beneficial.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 11:40 AM
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a reply to: boncho

Actually, I can. Many of these people come from a part of the world where homosexuality is hidden for fear of having a life ruined or flat being executed, women hide it if they're raped because they know the consequences can be as severe for them, possibly more severe, than for their rapists if they do come forward, and extreme racism and xenophobia is a way of life.

Violence, severe xenophobia, and extreme sexism is a cultural norm for the Middle East and has been for the past several generations and longer than that in many areas. I'm not interested in what caused that because I know it's a complicated situation, but neither am I interested in risking my own countrymen's safety over it.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 11:46 AM
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originally posted by: Despot
a reply to: dollukka

I'm agreeing on everything you've stated here.

You can't say a one negative word about the refugee crisis in here(Finland) without being labeled a racist. And I really mean nothing. It's PC hell in here.



having outraged citizens doesn't help the situation
Nobody is expecting you guys to be happy about it either .. it's totally understandable

And your posts is completely reasonable reaction but some others sound like another form of extremism



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 12:01 PM
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a reply to: AnIntellectualRedneck

And plenty of Muslims or secular Arabs have acclimated to Western society and become successful without turning into rapists. I don't disagree there are cultural norms in certain parts of the Middle East that are backwards, truly a rape-culture society in some cases, [even though SJWs try to claim Western society is, they need to look over there instead] but the reason we take refugees is because we are civilized nations.

Many residents who are 2nd and 3rd generation came to Western countries as refugees. They have made lives for themselves and enriched their respective countries.

Because these ideologies persist in the ME, it's something that definitely needs to be addressed, and monitored, but it should not limit or bar the normal treatment of refugees. As soon as you stop acting civilized you begin to lose what it is that makes you better than the uncivilized.

This is the same path, fear and xenophobia, that led us into wars, that makes people treat innocents like they are criminals, which in turn triggers the same behaviour opposite, and continues the cycle.



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 12:29 PM
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On Exile Island the murderers and rapists abound, amidst their piss and # they roil around, the biggest gang- a committee of Eight, no respite from their collective hate.


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posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: Layaly
a reply to: Metallicus

In million years was I not expecting such a reply from you ..

Refugees are forced to leave their country because they are at risk of, or have experienced persecution. The concerns of refugees are human rights and safety, not economic advantage. They leave behind their homes, most or all of their belongings, family members and friends. Some are forced to flee with no warning and many have experienced significant trauma or been tortured or otherwise ill-treated. The journey to safety is fraught with hazard and many refugees risk their lives in search of protection. They cannot return unless the situation that forced them to leave improves. (RCOA)



Oh so lets feel sorry for them as they rape children! That's pure lunacy!



posted on Nov, 24 2015 @ 01:47 PM
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a reply to: Layaly

Let me tell you what is extremist ! We are lied by our own government, we are lied by SPR ( Finnish Red Cross ) , we are lied by Media and by Police, !
I don´t really expect you to understand what it is like when all who you should trust are just extreme liars.

Living in the country where..
- Media is told not to post crimes made by refugees

- Media can post crimes when it is done by finnish ( if the finnish is 2nd generation immigrant.. this statement is left out.. because its somehow irrelevant.. which is not, when it clearly states that immigration is a failure and immigrants do not intergrade because of cultural differences )

- Police is forced not to mention ethnicity nor immigrant nor refugee in their press releases, they can lose their jobs

- Red Cross is making a huge business, it hires buildings for refugee centers all around the country and municipalities can´t do anything about it when refugee centers comes to their small towns. Government pays the bill for Red Cross (takes the money happily ), municipalities ( small amount of taxes come to municipalities and from the people who live in that same municipality ) provides health care to area ( by the law ) and now for health care to refugees too.. remember money they have is not huge govermental money this money is from local citizens. Municipalities can´t afford paying all this extra. While municipalities are pretty much forced to pay even they didn´t invite the refugee centers, Red Cross is the one who benefits all of this.

- What Red Cross does .. others follow. Seeing a great business without risk, in this same refugee lottery has joined many smaller companies and health houses.

- Small municipalities don´t even have a police stations ( there were not needed before ) or own police force. Police force in general in this country has been under government cuts.. being too expencive etc.

- Government and Police having a crime blindness. Latest terrorists sightings in Finland have been done by average joes.. people like you and me. Reported to Police and eventually some of them have been caught.. like the one terrorist who posed with decapitated head in his hand.

Just a few what is wrong..



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