Turkey shot down Russian Jet: reportedly by two F16's

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk
Whichever way you look at it, Turkey should not have shot down that plane.

False. If their version is correct they should have.

Russia, in either version, should have responded to warnings. Russia does not deny the warnings, they don't claim to have responded.

If they are in Syrian airspace the warnings are what?... "Please remove yourself from our neighbours airspace"... How does that work?

a reply to: OccamsRazor04

Good point OR04,

We're sure they would have replied.

Cheers,

Bally

originally posted by: asen_y2k
I am hearing chatter from other sutes that a pic of the pilot DEAD is circulation on twitter. Can anybody confirm?

Yep there's an alleged video here
twitter.com...

Russian Su-24

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From the video still, it looks as though it is likely a Sukhoi Su-24. NATO code name "Fencer". It is a swing-wing All-weather attacker/interceptor. The closest western equivalent would be the dubious F-111 Aardvark.

Here is the thing however...They are in service with the Syrian Airforce as well as Russia. (Iran as well for that matter)

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: Logman

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
So much shilling going on in this thread is disgusting. Its obvious who's side Turkey is on, and anyone that refutes that fact is an ISIS shill.

Nah, it's just ignorance and the results of media brainwashing. Turkey good. Russia bad. Syria bad. ISIS bad. And forget the nuance and complexity.

No, we're just rational people who base our opinions on what we actually know, rather than what Alex Jones screams about in one of his highly profitable videos.

You know, there is a difference between "suspicion" and "fact", right?

Sorry, don't listen to right-wing nutcases. But just carry on believing that Syria's civil war was the natural by-product of the 2011 Arab Spring and ignore reports from respected journalists that have written extensively on Turkey's purchasing ISIS oil and Saudi/Qatari funding of ISIS, al-Nusra and Al-Qaeda.

Obviously Saudi Arabia, that beacon of democracy and freedom wants Assad gone because he's such a terrible dictator.

Please, educate yourself. For the sake of the planet.

originally posted by: Logman
The evidence? That Turkey supports ISIS militarily and financially? That Saudi and Qatari nationals fund ISIS, Al-Qaeda and al-Nusra? That declassified Pentagon reports show that the US was at least aware of what ISIS would do back in 2012 and that the Sunni powers were backing it? It's all well reported in respected media outlets like The Guardian, NYT and a host of others. Just because you are ignorant of why the West and the Gulf nations want to remove Assad doesn't make it a conspiracy theory.

I'm willing to admit when I am wrong, and as I said before I have no reason to back Turkey at all and don't trust them one little bit.

I need to catch up on some reading, I fully admit.

My response was a little too dismissive and knee-jerk, so I concede like a gentleman.

originally posted by: mr-lizard

originally posted by: asen_y2k
I am hearing chatter from other sutes that a pic of the pilot DEAD is circulation on twitter. Can anybody confirm?

Yep there's an alleged video here
twitter.com...

But we have photos of two parachutes! Both apparantly survived the hit on the plane. Hope he was not executed on the ground.

There is also the french aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle" in the area. Two AA frigates are part of its escort: "Chevalier Paul" (French) and "HMS Defender" (UK).
If this event indeed happened in Latikia province, I'm guessing they might have a good idea of the situation.

a reply to: asen_y2k

That's what I'm wondering.

3 possibilities

a) already killed when they both ejected due to missile fire
b) died on impact with the ground
c) killed by the rebels

originally posted by: asen_y2k

originally posted by: mr-lizard

originally posted by: asen_y2k
I am hearing chatter from other sutes that a pic of the pilot DEAD is circulation on twitter. Can anybody confirm?

Yep there's an alleged video here
twitter.com...

But we have photos of two parachutes! Both apparantly survived the hit on the plane. Hope he was not executed on the ground.

He could have died during the ejection. We will never know all the facts. What we do know is that Turkey has interfered with the bombing of ISIS.

originally posted by: mr-lizard
a reply to: asen_y2k

That's what I'm wondering.

3 possibilities

a) already killed when they both ejected due to missile fire
b) died on impact with the ground
c) killed by the rebels

I guess an auto ejection is possible. But there were clearly 2 parachutes. So death on impact with the ground can be ruled out. I really hope he was not summarily executed. That would be bad.

a reply to: Rocker2013

I think everybody here is jumping the gun.

Until we get a better picture / report, everything is just speculation.

The worst part is, like many other things, it is causing a little war here amongst members, lol.

originally posted by: schonbret
There is also the french aircraft carrier "Charles de Gaulle" in the area. Two AA frigates are part of its escort: "Chevalier Paul" (French) and "HMS Defender" (UK).
If this event indeed happened in Latikia province, I'm guessing they might have a good idea of the situation.

I'm not sure what our capabilities are (UK) but I do know we were already providing intel and logistical support. I suppose it's plausible that the UK and France would both have knowledge of what was happening there and the positions of all involved at the time.

originally posted by: mr-lizard
a reply to: asen_y2k

That's what I'm wondering.

3 possibilities

a) already killed when they both ejected due to missile fire
b) died on impact with the ground
c) killed by the rebels

Those rebels are actually ISIS. Our media just calls them rebels because we are training and funding them to fight against Syria.

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk
Whichever way you look at it, Turkey should not have shot down that plane.

False. If their version is correct they should have.

Russia, in either version, should have responded to warnings. Russia does not deny the warnings, they don't claim to have responded.

If they are in Syrian airspace the warnings are what?... "Please remove yourself from our neighbours airspace"... How does that work?

Read again. I said if the Turkish version (in Turkish airspace) is correct.

originally posted by: mr-lizard
a reply to: asen_y2k

That's what I'm wondering.

3 possibilities

a) already killed when they both ejected due to missile fire
b) died on impact with the ground
c) killed by the rebels

C) going by C -> Wanna bet Turkey is gonna pin it on the PKK? Win Win for everyone, Turkey get new food for the propaganda machine and Russia doesn't lose face.
Because make no mistake Turkey and Russia are big allies economic wise.

Either way, stuff like this needs to be watched carefully.

I can also tell who the people who are bullied through life take out there frustration online.. Please guys no haters. I'm watching rt news like I've stated earlier in the post love and peace brother.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

Yep,,,, and who ordered it (held responsible).

Kind regards,

Bally

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk

originally posted by: OccamsRazor04

originally posted by: angryhulk
Whichever way you look at it, Turkey should not have shot down that plane.

False. If their version is correct they should have.

Russia, in either version, should have responded to warnings. Russia does not deny the warnings, they don't claim to have responded.

If they are in Syrian airspace the warnings are what?... "Please remove yourself from our neighbours airspace"... How does that work?

Read again. I said if the Turkish version (in Turkish airspace) is correct.

No you didn't, you said:

Russia, in either version, should have responded to warnings.

Here are links for respective media outlets -

* - AFP - Turkey shoots down Russian war plane on Syria border
* - RT - Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot down over Syria - Russian MoD (VIDEO)
Pravda - Russian Su-24 fighter jet shot down above Syria
* - Hurriyet - Turkey shoots down Russian-made jet for airspace violation near Syrian border
* - AP - Russia confirms its jet shot down near Turkish border